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Post by brokencurse on Jun 16, 2010 16:52:06 GMT -8
I stole the phrase for the subject of this psot from another thread, but our Aztecs just got a huuuge wake up call. We weren't ever close, not in the same galaxy close, on the Pac 10 expansion. You know the shake up isn't done yet. If not now, soon enough.
We can thank St. Don that we are even in the MWC. He did so much for putting SDSU football on the map. People know the potential of SDSU football because of him and that potential lead to the gang of 5 keeping us in the mix when the MWC formed.
We can thank the ADs that brought us the Craft/Long complete failure experiments for the terrible position we are in now. The worse case scenario for SDSU under all the expansion talk was pretty grim. There is no respect for SDSU as a football program outside of us fans. We are seen as the equivalent of a bad WAC team. Our dismal decade in the 00s could potentially cost us our football future.
The good news is I have a lot of faith in Hoke and Rocky Long. We have a great staff. If this staff can't do it, we may need to get use to small time or no football. That being said, I hope we can all circle the wagons to put butts in the seats and do all the we can to support this staff. Our future depends on it!
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Post by laaztec on Jun 16, 2010 16:58:29 GMT -8
Just Hope Hoke is our Urban Meyer.
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 16, 2010 19:26:27 GMT -8
Just check back in a couple years to see where we stand. I think you will see a complete
turnaround like you won't believe! God, knows we have been praying, and hoping for this
for a long time.
As many of you mature fans will agree that many times the program that takes the longest
to turn things around, and get back on track they usually become the biggest surprise to
everyone and become more successful than the flash in the pan type schools. In other words,
once they get moving they tend to stay on top for longer periods. ;D
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Post by sdsuballer on Jun 16, 2010 19:35:27 GMT -8
Lets give up on the PAC 10 idea. If we ever go into a major conference it will be the BIG 12. Also we should be playing Fresno St every year to boost our attendance.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 16, 2010 19:39:28 GMT -8
It would make no sense for SDSU to go Big 12. Travel costs would be outrageous and there would be nothing remotely close to a rivalry.
The Pac-32 offers two other SoCal teams, plus the NoCal teams that could be rivals as well (North VS South). Of course, there are many schools in the Pac-24 that do not want SDSU in their conference no matter what, so it's highly unlikely that SDSU would ever get an invite no matter how good our football program becomes.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 16, 2010 19:54:25 GMT -8
It would make no sense for SDSU to go Big 12. Travel costs would be outrageous and there would be nothing remotely close to a rivalry. The Pac-32 offers two other SoCal teams, plus the NoCal teams that could be rivals as well (North VS South). Of course, there are many schools in the Pac-24 that do not want SDSU in their conference no matter what, so it's highly unlikely that SDSU would ever get an invite no matter how good our football program becomes. Yah, the $10-$15M in TV money would help defray travel costs. |
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 16, 2010 19:57:10 GMT -8
The Big 12 makes us a BCS school and would get us more TV money and bigger Bowl pay outs.
I think our fans will we woken up and a big win will go a long way.
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Post by sdsuballer on Jun 16, 2010 20:15:06 GMT -8
It would make no sense for SDSU to go Big 12. Travel costs would be outrageous and there would be nothing remotely close to a rivalry. The Pac-32 offers two other SoCal teams, plus the NoCal teams that could be rivals as well (North VS South). Of course, there are many schools in the Pac-24 that do not want SDSU in their conference no matter what, so it's highly unlikely that SDSU would ever get an invite no matter how good our football program becomes. It makes no sense to have CU and Utah play in the PAC 10 when SDSU and Fresno are driving distance to six pac ten school. However, they will make the traveling cost work even with olympic sports. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 16, 2010 20:42:13 GMT -8
The Big 12 makes us a BCS school and would get us more TV money and bigger Bowl pay outs. I think our fans will we woken up and a big win will go a long way. I agree...and just imagine what an upset victory at Missouri this year would do to get the ball rolling and right in the Big 12 backyard.  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 16, 2010 22:14:26 GMT -8
It would make no sense for SDSU to go Big 12. Travel costs would be outrageous and there would be nothing remotely close to a rivalry. The Pac-32 offers two other SoCal teams, plus the NoCal teams that could be rivals as well (North VS South). Of course, there are many schools in the Pac-24 that do not want SDSU in their conference no matter what, so it's highly unlikely that SDSU would ever get an invite no matter how good our football program becomes. Yah, the $10-$15M in TV money would help defray travel costs. Where do you get that TV money figure? Somehow that seems just a WEE bit inflated. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that number hard to believe. Besides, if the Aztecs had to travel that far for every freaking away game the program with NEVER be competitive and it will perpetually be in the 4 to 5 win range. Not what I want. |
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Jun 16, 2010 22:27:48 GMT -8
I read reports that ESPN helped hold together the big12 by upping the dollars on the tv contract. I saw 17mil per team thrown out there. That is for existing members. An SDSU or any MWC team would be the new bastard dog joining the big 12 so he probably discounted a little to compensate. Thus the 10 - 15 million. That is my guess where he gets it from. Yah, the $10-$15M in TV money would help defray travel costs. Where do you get that TV money figure? Somehow that seems just a WEE bit inflated. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that number hard to believe. Besides, if the Aztecs had to travel that far for every freaking away game the program with NEVER be competitive and it will perpetually be in the 4 to 5 win range. Not what I want. |
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Post by Aztec89 on Jun 17, 2010 5:05:36 GMT -8
Just Hope Hoke is our Urban Meyer. I can't recall if there was a Pope named Brady. |
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Post by greysuit on Jun 17, 2010 7:07:04 GMT -8
It would make no sense for SDSU to go Big 12. Travel costs would be outrageous and there would be nothing remotely close to a rivalry. The Pac-32 offers two other SoCal teams, plus the NoCal teams that could be rivals as well (North VS South). Of course, there are many schools in the Pac-24 that do not want SDSU in their conference no matter what, so it's highly unlikely that SDSU would ever get an invite no matter how good our football program becomes. It makes no sense to have CU and Utah play in the PAC 10 when SDSU and Fresno are driving distance to six pac ten school. However, they will make the traveling cost work even with olympic sports. Pac-10 already owns the San Diego TV market and the both SLC and Denver have much larger TV markets than Fresno. Its all about $ not proximity. |
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Post by standiego on Jun 17, 2010 7:23:55 GMT -8
It is all about the TV markets that teams can bring to a conference or its football stature. The PAC ? already has the TV market in San Diego(from USC and UCLA fans) . Texas was allowed to keep its own network to stay in their conference big $$, would their conference value SDSU as an opportunity to get TV into CA and more opportunity for them to recruit . What would they charge us to join and what revenue would we receive. Travel , what is it like now for our teams/fans to travel to some of the teams we play in our conference(CSU, WY, AFA, )
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 17, 2010 7:59:41 GMT -8
Pac-10 already owns the San Diego TV market and the both SLC and Denver have much larger TV markets than Fresno. Its all about $ not proximity. The PAC does not own the San Diego Market. A good Big XII or Big X game gets simalar ratings as a good PAC game. But all those games don't "own" the market. To "own" the market they need to get Charger-type numbers. The BIG XII with a good SDSU football team would "own" the market. Improve Aztec football, give them good competition, and place them on a major network and the Aztecs would really "own" the San Diego Market - not just have folks watch because that is what is on like they do with college football now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 8:14:25 GMT -8
Lets give up on the PAC 10 idea. If we ever go into a major conference it will be the BIG 12. Also we should be playing Fresno St every year to boost our attendance. On the MWC board, fanhood very accurately equated this new Big 12-2 deal to the Compromise of 1850. In both cases, all that was done was to delay the inevitable. So given that the Civil War started in 1861, if the analogy is dead-on accurate, all that's been done is keep the Big 12-2 in existence for another 11 years. Ergo, in a decade, there isn't going to be any such conference for SDSU to go to. As to the Pac, the fact they were willing to take Texas Tech and Okie State in a package deal is, to me at least, ample evidence that SDSU CAN gain membership in that conference. That's particularly so since SDSU in the Pac makes a helluva lot more sense geographically than either of those schools. However, it's going to have to be in some sort of package deal. Further, unless our football program improves dramatically before the times comes, there's zero chance of it happening. So "on the clock" is a very apt term. As to Fresno State, I once thought they would be THE travel partner for an SDSU to the Pac scenario and maybe they still would be. However, I just don't care about them anymore. Amazingly, they still seem to have the attitude that we need them more than they need us and I can't help thinking it's all about Pat Hill. I mean, we've been playing Fresno regularly in BB and baseball and word is that after a lousy SDSU team failed to upset them in Fresno in Craft's first game only because of a tipped FG attempt on the final play, Hill canceled a return visit and hasn't wanted to play us since. Screw him, I say. If he wants to play us, let him pick up the phone and offer us two home games to one for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2010 8:20:58 GMT -8
Yah, the $10-$15M in TV money would help defray travel costs. Where do you get that TV money figure? Somehow that seems just a WEE bit inflated. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that number hard to believe. You're not wrong, Erik. Currently MWC schools are earning $1.2M in annual TV revenue. Pac schools, OTOH, are earning an average of $5.8M. FullMonty has therefore more than doubled the difference. That said, this coming academic year is the final one in the Pac's deal with Fox and with the Pac bringing in the Denver and SLC markets and with the huge increase ESPN just gave the Big 12-2, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Pac doesn't manage to double its revenue, which would mean FullMonty's comment is merely premature. |
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Post by hoobs on Jun 17, 2010 9:01:16 GMT -8
My 2 cents...
In 5 years the MWC will not exist.
The next couple years are vital: 1) must win on the football field, and 2) must win at the poker table...
'The poker table' right now might even be more crucial. True, (correctly or not) the Pac-10/2 believes they already own the San Diego-area TV and recruiting market(s). So while maybe a better fit, it would do us no good to court them for future expansion. Our President & AD need to court the Big12-2... and NOW. More-direct access to the San Diego (& by extension, California) TV & recruiting markets *could* be very attractive to Big Texas Conference. So we try to sell them on the idea that SDSU & UNLV offer the best package deal for extending their reach to the west.
If, in the long run, the Pac-whatever should even consider inviting SDSU to join, it will be moreso to keep us from joining the Big 12/Texas Conference, compared to actually *wanting* us.
So... we've got to flirt our butts off to get the Texas & Oklahoma to notice us and ask us out on a date. And *THAT* might get the Pac to also ask us out on a date...
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Post by aztecdew on Jun 17, 2010 9:56:10 GMT -8
My 2 cents... In 5 years the MWC will not exist. The next couple years are vital: 1) must win on the football field, and 2) must win at the poker table... 'The poker table' right now might even be more crucial. True, (correctly or not) the Pac-10/2 believes they already own the San Diego-area TV and recruiting market(s). So while maybe a better fit, it would do us no good to court them for future expansion. Our President & AD need to court the Big12-2... and NOW. More-direct access to the San Diego (& by extension, California) TV & recruiting markets *could* be very attractive to Big Texas Conference. So we try to sell them on the idea that SDSU & UNLV offer the best package deal for extending their reach to the west. If, in the long run, the Pac-whatever should even consider inviting SDSU to join, it will be moreso to keep us from joining the Big 12/Texas Conference, compared to actually *wanting* us. So... we've got to flirt our butts off to get the Texas & Oklahoma to notice us and ask us out on a date. And *THAT* might get the Pac to also ask us out on a date... ... and it all starts by winning on the football field... now! I know it sounds ridiculous ... but the reality is that SDSU is the key to the MWC survival as a BCS conference ... and more importantly positioning itself to be a player in the next expansion wave. It's our time to put up ... or shut up! We have no hope of keeping Hoke wants he turns around the football program unless we aggressively position ourselves for the future (translation ... a lot more revenue to MWC and SDSU). |
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 17, 2010 9:59:31 GMT -8
The winning on the field is so important. No doubt, wins will bring fans and get attention.
However I still feel that the #1 problem is the community is not supporting this program win or lose.
We should have 25,000 to 30,000 at the Q every game, every season.....win---lose---or draw.
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