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Post by Montezuma on Apr 6, 2011 13:49:07 GMT -8
Kill it...please I beg you kill it now!!!...can you please kill the Job Corps too, these crimal murders have caused so much damage and murder in my neighborhood already. Several years ago 3 of them murdered an inocent Southwest High School senior for no reason except for fun. These Socialist programs are failures. Keep them all.
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Post by davdesid on Apr 6, 2011 14:04:07 GMT -8
There is a lot of fat that could be cut from our Navy and the other forces. We have many bases that could go as well. I would go there right after cutting the entire Dept of Education and Dept of Energy. The rest of your post has merit as well. Our tax code is a nightmare. Nope. Cut the living $#!+ out of our defense budget and tell the defense contractors that we'll put them out of business if they engage in any cost over-runs. Then we pass a law that anyone in the military has to wait 5 years before they can work for any defense contractor. If we want to do this correctly we need to close down pretty much all our bases in Europe, get the Hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan and end this American empire bullshiite. Your comments on the departments of Education and energy are crap; we need to cut the defense budget by half and we need to modify the policies that allowed you to retire at age 38. Do we need to support you at age 38, with full medical benefits and subsidized shopping at the PX? Don't think so. It's always the same with vets - you did your 20 and then expect the taxpayers will always be willing to float your boat no matter what you did or if you ever saw combat. I have no problem at all with paying Stu's retirement. Please tell me why the bucks from my taxes should pay for yours. Ain't like you were ever in combat; ain't like you ever did anything other than work in a job that most of us worked in while not getting retirement in our 50s; something that you would bitch about up one side and down the other while you collect your checks that are paid for by by the taxpayers. Ah yes, the American military - greatest welfare system this world has ever seen. =Bob Okay, let's cut DoD by 50%. That still leaves a deficit of over a Trillion. Hell, let's zero out DoD, VA, and all military retiree pay. That would eliminate the programs you hate the most, but still leaves a deficit close to a Trillion. Where would you go next? Inquiring minds want to know.....
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 8, 2011 17:28:42 GMT -8
Nope. Cut the living $#!+ out of our defense budget and tell the defense contractors that we'll put them out of business if they engage in any cost over-runs. Then we pass a law that anyone in the military has to wait 5 years before they can work for any defense contractor. If we want to do this correctly we need to close down pretty much all our bases in Europe, get the Hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan and end this American empire bullshiite. Your comments on the departments of Education and energy are crap; we need to cut the defense budget by half and we need to modify the policies that allowed you to retire at age 38. Do we need to support you at age 38, with full medical benefits and subsidized shopping at the PX? Don't think so. It's always the same with vets - you did your 20 and then expect the taxpayers will always be willing to float your boat no matter what you did or if you ever saw combat. I have no problem at all with paying Stu's retirement. Please tell me why the bucks from my taxes should pay for yours. Ain't like you were ever in combat; ain't like you ever did anything other than work in a job that most of us worked in while not getting retirement in our 50s; something that you would bitch about up one side and down the other while you collect your checks that are paid for by by the taxpayers. Ah yes, the American military - greatest welfare system this world has ever seen. =Bob Okay, let's cut DoD by 50%. That still leaves a deficit of over a Trillion. Hell, let's zero out DoD, VA, and all military retiree pay. That would eliminate the programs you hate the most, but still leaves a deficit close to a Trillion. Where would you go next? Inquiring minds want to know..... Dave, I don't care to cut the entire DOD budget. I simply agree with Ron Paul that it needs to be cut a ton, starting with closing the upwards of 800 bases we have outside this country. Obviously cutting that would not result in total savings, but I mean really; why is the defense budget always off the Congressional table? Let's face a simple fact here - our economy is about 50 percent based upon the defense industry and until that changes we are nothing more than a weapons dealer. And I mean really; is that how we want to be known when it comes to manufacturing? Do we really want to be known as the world supplier of weapons? =Bob
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Post by davdesid on Apr 9, 2011 14:55:08 GMT -8
Okay, let's cut DoD by 50%. That still leaves a deficit of over a Trillion. Hell, let's zero out DoD, VA, and all military retiree pay. That would eliminate the programs you hate the most, but still leaves a deficit close to a Trillion. Where would you go next? Inquiring minds want to know..... Dave, I don't care to cut the entire DOD budget. I simply agree with Ron Paul that it needs to be cut a ton, starting with closing the upwards of 800 bases we have outside this country. Obviously cutting that would not result in total savings, but I mean really; why is the defense budget always off the Congressional table? Let's face a simple fact here - our economy is about 50 percent based upon the defense industry and until that changes we are nothing more than a weapons dealer. And I mean really; is that how we want to be known when it comes to manufacturing? Do we really want to be known as the world supplier of weapons? =Bob Okay, let's agree arguendo to everything you and Ron Paul suggest. We still have over a trillion in deficit spending. Still a long way to go. Where do you go next if deficit reduction is the goal?
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Apr 9, 2011 20:13:26 GMT -8
Dave, I don't care to cut the entire DOD budget. I simply agree with Ron Paul that it needs to be cut a ton, starting with closing the upwards of 800 bases we have outside this country. Obviously cutting that would not result in total savings, but I mean really; why is the defense budget always off the Congressional table? Let's face a simple fact here - our economy is about 50 percent based upon the defense industry and until that changes we are nothing more than a weapons dealer. And I mean really; is that how we want to be known when it comes to manufacturing? Do we really want to be known as the world supplier of weapons? =Bob Okay, let's agree arguendo to everything you and Ron Paul suggest. We still have over a trillion in deficit spending. Still a long way to go. Where do you go next if deficit reduction is the goal? I don't know. How does an imperial power support its empire? Simple fact is this - we need to get out of the imperial empire business; we need to pullout of Iraq, Afghanistan and most every over-seas bases we have. I've offered my opinions on this WGT our imperial, over seas basis - we need to shut most all of them down. Obviously we also need to deal with the cost of health care but it's rather simple that our defense spending is really nothing more than a federal government jobs program and the military is nothing more than the greatest welfare program this country has ever seen. =Bob
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Post by davdesid on Apr 10, 2011 13:09:28 GMT -8
Okay, let's agree arguendo to everything you and Ron Paul suggest. We still have over a trillion in deficit spending. Still a long way to go. Where do you go next if deficit reduction is the goal? I don't know. How does an imperial power support its empire? Simple fact is this - we need to get out of the imperial empire business; we need to pullout of Iraq, Afghanistan and most every over-seas bases we have. I've offered my opinions on this WGT our imperial, over seas basis - we need to shut most all of them down. Obviously we also need to deal with the cost of health care but it's rather simple that our defense spending is really nothing more than a federal government jobs program and the military is nothing more than the greatest welfare program this country has ever seen. =Bob You don't know?? One of the most opinionated posters on this board doesn't know?? Let's go back to my prior post. Let's zero out DoD and VA entirely. The country can depend on State Defense Forces which can at least protect us from invasion, and which are entirely funded by the States with no Federal money: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_ForceIf we zero out DoD and VA, that would get the deficit down under a trillion, but unfortunately not by all that much. So, let's agree that the Federal military is nothing but a welfare/jobs program... maybe you would be willing to look at all other federal welfare/jobs programs? If the budget is to be balanced, cuts have to be made somewhere. Surely you must have some ideas.
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