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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jun 15, 2010 7:22:32 GMT -8
www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_15296398I was holding out hope that Utah would turn down the Pac 10 invite, but after reading this article, I don't see that happening. There is always a chance - just look at the Big 12 being 'saved' - but there isn't a single MWC school that would turn down the invite to the new Pac 12. There are other threads/polls addressing this, but the question will be what does the MWC do once Utah leaves? I thinks the MWC doesn't really change much with a 9 team league with BSU instead of Utah...still the best non-BCS league and top 7 or 8 basketball league. Our shot at an auto-BCS spot is out the window but does it still make sense to add another team or 3? I think they stay at 9 as I really don't see a 'great' 10th (or 11th & 12th option). Schools like Nevada, San Jose State, Fresno State, Houston, etc. will all be mentioned but doesn't get us closer to a BCS spot and only means less overall money for each school. Losing Utah is not the end of the world - the MWC will survive - but considering we were 'talking' about adding Kansas, Missouri, etc. and now will lose Utah instead.....not really a good ending.
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Post by greysuit on Jun 15, 2010 7:28:51 GMT -8
I think the MWC stays at 9 teams if Utah leaves. Adding Houston, Fresno or Nevada won't do much to get the MWC an auto bid and would mean a smaller slice of the pie to the other schools.
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Post by Azpire! on Jun 15, 2010 7:32:04 GMT -8
I know many here hate Fresno State, However, I say give them an invite. Regardless of weather they help or hinder the BCS AQ equation down the road, they play tough non conference competition and would bring additional attention, personality and toughness to the MWC. Natural rivalry going back to the WAC and Boise State would have to unpack their paddles that were on the verge of being placed in storage. It makes sense and would be fun.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 7:42:01 GMT -8
Utah moving to the PAC-12 enhances the status of the MWC simply because the Utes are part of the MWC. However, the MWC cannot stand pat with nine teams if AQ to the BCS is the goal. A 12-team MWC means less $$$$ per team for the short-run (2-3 years) but that amount of money is pretty insignifcant if the MWC gains AQ to the BCS say in 2012 or 2013. My guess is the MWC will have little hope of AQ to the BCS without adding more teams unless Utah decides to stay.
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Post by greysuit on Jun 15, 2010 7:42:50 GMT -8
I know many here hate Fresno State, However, I say give them an invite. Regardless of weather they help or hinder the BCS AQ equation down the road, they play tough non conference competition and would bring additional attention, personality and toughness to the MWC. Natural rivalry going back to the WAC and Boise State would have to unpack their paddles that were on the verge of being placed in storage. It makes sense and would be fun. Everything comes down to money, while Boise State has an incredibly small market base they make up for it with potential BCS appearances and possibly being the last piece the MWC needed to join the BCS (if Utah stays). Fresno has a small market and does little to bring in BCS money so you have to ask why the other 9 presidents (assuming Utah leaves) would vote to split the pie into 10 pieces instead of 9 to add a school that brings little (financially) to the table. |
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Post by RenoAztec on Jun 15, 2010 7:45:51 GMT -8
I know many here hate Fresno State, However, I say give them an invite. Regardless of weather they help or hinder the BCS AQ equation down the road, they play tough non conference competition and would bring additional attention, personality and toughness to the MWC. Natural rivalry going back to the WAC and Boise State would have to unpack their paddles that were on the verge of being placed in storage. It makes sense and would be fun. I agree, we should add Fresno State. I've always thought they would be a great rivalry for our Aztecs. OK, full disclosure, my daughter starts at Fresno this fall. |
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Post by greysuit on Jun 15, 2010 7:47:45 GMT -8
Utah moving to the PAC-12 enhances the status of the MWC simply because the Utes are part of the MWC. However, the MWC cannot stand pat with nine teams if AQ to the BCS is the goal. A 12-team MWC means less $$$$ per team for the short-run (2-3 years) but that amount of money is pretty insignifcant if the MWC gains AQ to the BCS say in 2012 or 2013. My guess is the MWC will have little hope of AQ to the BCS without adding more teams unless Utah decides to stay. Just adding teams does not instantly bring in more money, if the schools you bring in generate less money than the average MWC team (which most WAC schools do) then in a since the other schools make less money by having to split the pie into smaller pieces. Also adding a championship games is not a huge money maker unless you’re a major power conference and it is being played on one of the major networks and garners national attention (like the Big 12 and SEC championship games do). A MWC championship game would just be another game played on the Mtn which would not be available to most homes in the US. |
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Post by goaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 7:51:57 GMT -8
I know many here hate Fresno State, However, I say give them an invite. Regardless of weather they help or hinder the BCS AQ equation down the road, they play tough non conference competition and would bring additional attention, personality and toughness to the MWC. Natural rivalry going back to the WAC and Boise State would have to unpack their paddles that were on the verge of being placed in storage. It makes sense and would be fun. I agree, we should add Fresno State. I've always thought they would be a great rivalry for our Aztecs. OK, full disclosure, my daughter starts at Fresno this fall. I agree as well. And if Fresno starts playing well again in football it could help our BCS hopes. I still think our league is BCS material with TCU, BYU, and Boise St. $#!+, two of those teams played in the BCS this year. |
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Post by McQuervo on Jun 15, 2010 7:59:56 GMT -8
Disagree. Show me the TV market coverage for Fresburg. They share with Stanfurd and Cal- no way does inclusion give the MWC a larger audience than the inclusion of Reno or Boise.
Thats a program on the decline-Pat Hill has applied for every decent D-1 job in the west and can't wait to leave (and the Admin can't wait for him to get out as well).
Add UNR.
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Post by grossmont on Jun 15, 2010 8:02:26 GMT -8
houston would be a good add,they would pair with TCU.houston is the 4th largest city in america and large tv market which equals money for the conference.need to keep tcu happy or they might bolt and this confenece will never be a bcs conference losing the two most successful teams recently plus small tv markets and only 9 schools wont get us an auto bcs bid.
big 12 is 10 right now and might try to actually add houston and poach tcu away to get to 12 again.
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Post by k5james on Jun 15, 2010 8:05:50 GMT -8
It's funny the only people advocating Fresneck be added to this conference are people that have relatives who are alums. What has that school done to deserve to be in our conference? I'm sorry if I'm not as easily as impressed by 8 win seasons on the backs of... FCS School Hawaii SJSU NMSU USU Idaho La. Tech  |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 8:06:58 GMT -8
The MWC would stand to gain $4 million by adding Boise and three other teams. That money should offset any loss in revenue on a per team basis over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully, by that time the MWC would be invited to the BCS party. So the argument that the MWC loses money by adding teams doesn't hold water if you assume the MWC gets an AQ to the BCS. That is the goal and that goal needs to be the focus of any discussion of expansion or lack of expansion.
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Post by SCV Aztec on Jun 15, 2010 8:08:18 GMT -8
Aren't there some hard feelings with regard to Fresno and the MWC schools? When the MWC was formed, I believe Fresno had no idea a split was coming and was left "holding the bag". Has enough water gone under the bridge to entertain Fresno as a candidate in this league?
Personally, I would like to see Fresno added along with 2 others (Hawai'i, Reno, SMU or Houston), but I wouldn't bet on any of that happening until all the dust has settled.
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Post by k5james on Jun 15, 2010 8:10:53 GMT -8
The MWC would stand to gain $4 million by adding Boise and three other teams. That money should offset any loss in revenue on a per team basis over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully, by that time the MWC would be invited to the BCS party. So the argument that the MWC loses money by adding teams doesn't hold water if you assume the MWC gets an AQ to the BCS. That is the goal and that goal needs to be the focus of any discussion of expansion or lack of expansion. Where do you get that four million number? |
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Post by haleiwaaztec on Jun 15, 2010 8:23:44 GMT -8
The MWC would stand to gain $4 million by adding Boise and three other teams. That money should offset any loss in revenue on a per team basis over the next 2-3 years. Hopefully, by that time the MWC would be invited to the BCS party. So the argument that the MWC loses money by adding teams doesn't hold water if you assume the MWC gets an AQ to the BCS. That is the goal and that goal needs to be the focus of any discussion of expansion or lack of expansion. Where do you get that four million number? That was my question as well? Are you just referring to entry fees (and maybe Utah's exit fees)? |
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Post by dbauer on Jun 15, 2010 8:32:42 GMT -8
Disagree. Show me the TV market coverage for Fresburg. They share with Stanfurd and Cal- no way does inclusion give the MWC a larger audience than the inclusion of Reno or Boise. Thats a program on the decline-Pat Hill has applied for every decent D-1 job in the west and can't wait to leave (and the Admin can't wait for him to get out as well). Add UNR. Actually, in addition to the WAC TV deal, Frenso has a deal with Comcast Sports to show Football and basketball so they have coverage in San Francisco, Sacramento, Reno, Oakland, all the way down into Monterey/Salinas, I think even Bakersfield picks up games on a local affiliate . So if we're talking about "coverage", Frenso is huge, covering 2 of the top 20 TV markets in the nation, 3 of the top 60 if you include Frenso itself (for perspective Boise is market 112, Fresno is 55). Now, "coverage" and viewership are vastly different, but Frenso delivers pretty good numbers actually, heck, Frenso/Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl delivered a bigger TV audience than BYU/Oregon St in the Las Vegas Bowl did last year. From a strictly TV perspective Fresno is an upgrade. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 8:33:30 GMT -8
Yes, my understanding is that the MWC gets $1.0 million for each new team....might want to raise that to $2.0 million if Utah stays
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2010 8:36:49 GMT -8
Yes, my understanding is that the MWC gets $1.0 million for each new team. Yeah, but it's one-time money. Your post suggested it would be annual revenue. Fresno will always be there for the taking. No need whatsoever to add them now. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 15, 2010 8:41:20 GMT -8
Disagree. Show me the TV market coverage for Fresburg. They share with Stanfurd and Cal- no way does inclusion give the MWC a larger audience than the inclusion of Reno or Boise. Thats a program on the decline-Pat Hill has applied for every decent D-1 job in the west and can't wait to leave (and the Admin can't wait for him to get out as well). Add UNR. Actually, in addition to the WAC TV deal, Frenso has a deal with Comcast Sports to show Football and basketball so they have coverage in San Francisco, Sacramento, Reno, Oakland, all the way down into Monterey/Salinas, I think even Bakersfield picks up games on a local affiliate . So if we're talking about "coverage", Frenso is huge, covering 2 of the top 20 TV markets in the nation, 3 of the top 60 if you include Frenso itself (for perspective Boise is market 112, Fresno is 55). Now, "coverage" and viewership are vastly different, but Frenso delivers pretty good numbers actually, heck, Frenso/Wyoming in the New Mexico Bowl delivered a bigger TV audience than BYU/Oregon St in the Las Vegas Bowl did last year. From a strictly TV perspective Fresno is an upgrade. And before anyone doubts, this is an industry insider and I am sure those numbers have been shared with the MWC conference by both Fresno and Comcast. Personally, I think the MWC needs to add teams from CA and TX. JMO. |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 8:42:25 GMT -8
SGF,
Never said it was recurring $$$. The entry $$$$ offset the reduction in revenues for the next few years on a per team basis. If you assume the MWC does NOT get into the BCS party in a few years,.....yeah, you're right on the money. My guess is if Utah leaves the MWC could use another $3.0 million right now. And a 12-team MWC with Houston, Fresno and maybe Nevada should command more money from Comcast when the new tv contract comes up.......especially if the MWC is in the BCS by then.
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