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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 16:59:27 GMT -8
Losers:
1. The Pac-11/12.
No explanation necessary.
2. Yours truly.
For grossly underestimating the stupidity of Oklahoma.
3. Oklahoma.
Nebraska has left the Big 12. Why? They grew tired of bending over for Texas. aTm is trying its damnedest to go the SEC. Why? They've grown tired of bending over for Texas. Mizzou, KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, Texas Tech and Okie State may be tired of bending over too. However, they really have no choice because they have no chips in the poker game. But OU has had a lot of chips but either doesn't know it or doesn't have the nuts to call UT's bid and play them.
Several days ago, Bob Stoops seemed very happy to be going to the Pac. Why? Because under that deal, UT wasn't going to be able to form its own TV network so Stoops stood to be able to continue to have only slightly less money to work with than Texas. Now, unless Oklahoma joins the SEC (and that's looks unlikely), Stoops is going to have a helluva lot less money to work with than UT. If aTm bails (and that still looks possible), OU will be the only one of the three other best schools in the Big 12 to continue to stay and take it in the rear from UT.
4. Texas Tech and Okie State.
They had a chance to move up in the world academically to the Pac. Neither has any better academic reputation than SDSU yet the Pac was going to bite hard and take them anyway. Now with two of the best regarded of the Big 12 schools having left and a third possibly on the way, if anything, the academic rep of the two will have diminished.
5. Those who want a college football playoff system to replace the BCS.
The idea was four megaconferences would inevitably bring that. Now the era of the megaconferences is going to wait for awhile.
Winners
1. Dan Beebe.
Because of the stupidity of OU and the desperation of Missouri, KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor, Doofus Dan will still have a job next week.
2. Baylor and Iowa State.
I don't think KU, KSU and Missouri will be any better off than if they had joined the Big East, all things considered. These two schools, however, were probably headed to CUSA.
3. Utah.
These guys have hit a home run. Going to a Pac-16 would have been a disaster because of the competition. A Pac-12 with lousy Colorado and NCAA probationary USC will be heaven in comparison.
4. Nebraska.
They escape Texas' grasp and even if Doofus Dan manages to get the Big 12's TV contract up from a average of $6.5M to $17M per team (something pundits are very, very skeptical of), NU will still earn more from the Big Ten's TV deal. Plus, NU will have ready made highly beatable conference foes in Minnesota and Iowa.
5. The Big Ten.
Not only got Nebraska, but since Texas and Oklahoma didn't go to the Pac, they're still free agents to be added along with Notre Dame.
Possible Winners
1. The MWC.
Yes, it could conceivably lose BYU and TCU to what's left of the Big 12. However, word is Texas - which has proved that it and only it runs college football - will push for changing the 12-school minimum for a championship football game. If that happens, there is not only little incentive to expand but having 10 members itself now, even with Utah leaving, the MWC wouldn't need anyone else besides Houston to hold a championship game. And adding Houston would enhance the conference's BCS formula.
2. SDSU.
Yes, you heard me right. Consider the following.
When - not if - the era of the megaconferences comes, since the Pac wasn't able to put together the Pac8/Big12-6+2 deal, what would be the Pac's remaining choices for expansion? SDSU's academics have been demeaned by those guys for years but the Pac just showed it was willing to take Texas Tech and Okie State in the right package and neither has academics which are better than SDSU's.
Granted, SDSU would need to greatly improve its football program insofar as wins and attendance but this move by Texas buys us time to do that. HOWEVER, rather than sitting back and watching the program regress as too many did in the '00s, we need to contribute dinero and our butts in the seats to make it happen.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 14, 2010 17:27:26 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ.
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 14, 2010 17:39:28 GMT -8
How does the PAC-12 spin their situation now?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 17:47:07 GMT -8
sdsu, it's a common misconception that football championship games all earn money. The SEC's definitely does because not only does it always pit two top-quality opponents, it's centrally located in Atlanta, which is within a day's drive of everybody in the conference, and which is indoors for comfort. The MWC has no such obvious venue.
Further, now that continued existence of the BCS is virtually assured, we have to be thinking along those lines. And until the MWC gains AQ status, a conference title game is a bad idea since an otherwise undefeated team could lose to an unranked opponent, thereby taking away a BCS bowl participant and millions of dollars.
BTW, speaking of conference football championship games, that's apparently the only reason the Big Ten took Nebraska now. As I deep saying, the Big Ten's original plan was not to expand until at least this December. Further, the latest word is the Catholic basketball only schools within the Big East have taken a straw vote and if two of the football only schools leave, they are set to turn the conference into basketball only. The Big Ten still desperately wants ND so the scuttlebutt is the Big Ten could conceivably force ND's hand by taking Rutgers and Syracuse or Pitt. And, of course, there's still the potential for SEC expansion even if aTm doesn't come right now.
(Gotta go. I just saw an elderly woman walking past my house here in L.A. wearing an SDSU tee shirt. Whether good or bad I'm not sure, but such a sight is so rare that it's got to be some sort of omen.)
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 14, 2010 17:49:11 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. For those who continue to advocate a MWC12 league, you seem to constantly ignore the fact that more mouths to feed means lesser revenue to be earned. IF expanding to 12 teams meant gaining the AQ status quicker, our presidents and Commish would've acted hastily, albeit cautiously, to achieve this. Adding teams for the sake of staging a league championship doesn't necessarily augment a significant amount of money to our coffers. Keep in mind that what triggered all these recent realignments was the revenue for each schools would double or even triple. Do you think our league can demand from our TV networks to increase our current $1.2 mil payout per team to $5-$8 mil per team by adding Fresno St. and Houston or the other schools you mentioned if we go to a 12-team league? It has been argued often why the schools you mentioned aren't ideal candidates for MWC. Fresno St. and perhaps even Houston may have an advantage over the others but their addition isn't compelling enough to convince and appease the presidents. |
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Post by k5james on Jun 14, 2010 17:53:22 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. We don't need Fresneck State or any of those other trash WACk teams. FSU is not our rival anymore. That rivalry was killed by the BS the Fresneck fans pulled the last time we played up there. We haven't played them in almost ten years and only us old fogies have any recollection of them being a rival. The kids going to State now have no idea that Fresneck used to be our rival so I don't see how they'd "put butts in the seats." There is no rivalry between Fresneck State and San Diego State. |
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Post by monty on Jun 14, 2010 18:17:53 GMT -8
Might be that I started as an Aztec in the 00s, but I am often dumbfounded that so many Aztec fans want Fresno state in their conference. I just don't see why.
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Post by rickdoerr on Jun 14, 2010 18:50:08 GMT -8
Monty, I agree with you on Fresno but who's left that could make a fsvorsble impact? Reading the Houston board leads me to believe there's little interest on their part.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 14, 2010 18:51:42 GMT -8
I want Houston to go to 10. Good Programs and big TV market. Also the MWC might be able to have a Championship game with 10 schools because you know the Big 12 lite is going to petition the NCAA to change the 12 team rule.
SDSU
TCU
BYU
SDSU
UNLV
Houston
Boise St.
Wyoming
CSU
AFA
That's a pretty nice 10 team conference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2010 19:04:31 GMT -8
We don't need Fresneck State or any of those other trash WACk teams. FSU is not our rival anymore. That rivalry was killed by the BS the Fresneck fans pulled the last time we played up there. We haven't played them in almost ten years and only us old fogies have any recollection of them being a rival. The kids going to State now have no idea that Fresneck used to be our rival so I don't see how they'd "put butts in the seats." There is no rivalry between Fresneck State and San Diego State. This is exactly how I feel. I'll credit Fresno with hiring Pat Hill and Mike Batesole. However, baseball really doesn't mean much and Hill has plateaued. Yeah, he's won some big OOC games but he hasn't finished higher than third in a terrible conference since 2003. Worst for Fresno is dissing SDSU. Was it SDSU which kept them out of the MWC? Uh, no. Would Fresno have stayed behind for us had they been offered by the Gang of Five rather than us? Uh, no. Bottom line is that particularly now that Boise has joined the MWC, Fresno desperately needs to do everything possible to position themselves to follow us and Boise to the MWC. Among the ways they can do so is to rekindle the rivalry they once had with us. However, Pat Hill obviously doesn't want to play us. But **** him and the horse he rode in on since we don't need them at all. (Sorry, Yoda. You're a good guy and I sure haven't always felt that way but now I definitely do.) |
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Post by monty on Jun 14, 2010 19:12:09 GMT -8
Adding teams or wondering who else is out there to me seems like the wrong route to take. First, we are locked into a 10 year deal, we would have to add someone that would force comcast/cbs' hands to open it up, houston and/or fresno don't do that. Second, adding teams will mean a decreae in per-team payout particularly as houston or fresno will not being pilling up tourney units or bcs bowl appearances as those are currently the only way we can get new money. Third, why would we add more teams to the best non-big-boy/non-AQ; that is just adding more teams to compete with in the future. Fresno is so far behind us in accademics that they will likely never take a spot from us, but Houston is sightly ahead of us and is in a bigger area, so why give them an opportunity to take a spot?
Stick with the 9 we have - it is a solid group of schools and no one on the table adds anything, we can continue to play an 8 game Conf. and 16 team bball schedule which means OOC games guarantee games that net the program money.
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Post by Spud on Jun 14, 2010 19:26:29 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. We don't need Fresneck State or any of those other trash WACk teams. FSU is not our rival anymore. That rivalry was killed by the BS the Fresneck fans pulled the last time we played up there. We haven't played them in almost ten years and only us old fogies have any recollection of them being a rival. The kids going to State now have no idea that Fresneck used to be our rival so I don't see how they'd "put butts in the seats." There is no rivalry between Fresneck State and San Diego State. +1 I'd like to aim a little higher than that POS school and the bucktooth inbreeds that go there... |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 14, 2010 20:12:27 GMT -8
We don't need Fresneck State or any of those other trash WACk teams. FSU is not our rival anymore. That rivalry was killed by the BS the Fresneck fans pulled the last time we played up there. We haven't played them in almost ten years and only us old fogies have any recollection of them being a rival. The kids going to State now have no idea that Fresneck used to be our rival so I don't see how they'd "put butts in the seats." There is no rivalry between Fresneck State and San Diego State. +1 I'd like to aim a little higher than that POS school and the bucktooth inbreeds that go there... Well, perhaps we are being a bit too critical of that central California garden spot. Why, I personally have visited Fresno several times in the past decade and I can honestly say that they do indeed have running water and sidewalks. Well most streets have sidewalk. But seriously, let's try to be kind. After all, Fresno is a fellow California city. You never know when you will need a friend. AzWm |
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Post by oc74aztec on Jun 14, 2010 20:17:32 GMT -8
I want Houston to go to 10. Good Programs and big TV market. Also the MWC might be able to have a Championship game with 10 schools because you know the Big 12 lite is going to petition the NCAA to change the 12 team rule. SDSU TCU BYU SDSU UNLV Houston Boise St. Wyoming CSU AFA That's a pretty nice 10 team conference. We drop New Mexico and get to play every game twice?  ;D |
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Post by aztecdew on Jun 14, 2010 20:30:55 GMT -8
I want Houston to go to 10. Good Programs and big TV market. Also the MWC might be able to have a Championship game with 10 schools because you know the Big 12 lite is going to petition the NCAA to change the 12 team rule. SDSU TCU BYU SDSU UNLV Houston Boise St. Wyoming CSU AFA That's a pretty nice 10 team conference. Agreed (assuming New Mexico) ... Houston has the 10th largest TV market and MWC would have two Texas schools for viewership and recruiting. No need to expand more at this point and dilute the revenue to each conference member. All the conferences will be revisiting expansion in future years ... and assuming MWC becomes a BCS conference, it will be posiitioned for the next expansion wave. The most important objective over the immediate future is for SDSU to realize its potential ... so we become one of the teams mentioned as an asset to our conference or any expansion minded conference. So, please no more acceptance of our under performing sports programs (especially football). It's not OK to say wait until next year ... or set as our main goal just to qualify for some lower tiered bowl game or in basketball just makng it to the NCAA tournament as our goal. Our basketball program is just a couple of timely baskets away ... our football program has the right football staff ... and baseball, well we really have way too much talent and potential for our conference to allow the past ten years to continue. Nothing worst in a few years as we are being passed over to say ... well, we had our chance and did it to ourselves again. |
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Post by RB Aztec on Jun 14, 2010 20:51:23 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. We don't need Fresneck State or any of those other trash WACk teams. FSU is not our rival anymore. That rivalry was killed by the BS the Fresneck fans pulled the last time we played up there. We haven't played them in almost ten years and only us old fogies have any recollection of them being a rival. The kids going to State now have no idea that Fresneck used to be our rival so I don't see how they'd "put butts in the seats." There is no rivalry between Fresneck State and San Diego State. My brother-in-law is an alum of Fresno State. I am an alum of SDSU. We both want our teams in the same conference to rev up this long-time rivalry. There is no better rivalry to SDSU than Fresno State. Saying that there is no rivalry is crazy. We have a long history with Fresno and both cities want this rivalry re-established in the same conference. Just because a few young kids don't know about the rivalry is no reason to state that it does not exist. |
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Post by rrtxaztec99 on Jun 14, 2010 22:13:04 GMT -8
My brother and his wife are Fresno State alumi. I would LOVE to have our schools play one another as well. I enjoyed talking so much trash to them after Wyoming beat them in the New Mexico bowl. San Diego State needs a rivaly. I don't think the average fan can get excited about most MWC members except for maybe BYU. Fresno State gives the Aztecs a fellow California school and the closest thing we have to a rivalry.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 15, 2010 6:14:28 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. TV sets have NOTHING to do with qualifying for AQ status in the BCS. |
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Post by laaztec on Jun 15, 2010 6:31:07 GMT -8
From a purely monetary standpoint adding just Houston to go to 10 teams (assuming Utah leaves) makes sense. But SDSU is still missing it's natural rival in Fresno State. You want butts in the stands, bring on Fresno State too. And one more team (take your pick...Nevada, Hawaii, UTEP, SMU, Utah State) makes 12 and a championship game which pays for the additional teams and maybe an AQ to the BCS. IMO, 10 teams won't get a BCS AQ simply because there aren't enough tv sets to justify AQ. TV sets have NOTHING to do with qualifying for AQ status in the BCS. BUT |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 6:55:48 GMT -8
If Utah stays in the MWC adding Houston and Fresno State to the MWC almost assures AQ to the BCS. However, the odds are less that happens without expansion. Ultimately the goal is AQ to the BCS (or better yet a playoff). Adding Houston and Fresno raises the likelihood that happens and moves the MWC closer to parity with the PAC-11.
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