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Post by fowl on Jun 15, 2010 7:05:41 GMT -8
Add Houston, Fresno, and Nevada. Each resides in a large tv market (Houston = +2M tv houses, Fresno = 600K, Reno = 300K) to expand the mtn and open up new recruiting avenues. All are in demographic areas that are growing. All have enjoyed recent success in football and were all in bowls last year. Each adds a travel partner and legitimate rival to us, UNLV, and TCU. However, at the present time do not hold a football championship game due to uncertainty
Adding these three further distances the MWC from CUSA and WAC and creates even more of an appearance that the MWC is closer to BCS conferences than those two conferences which enhances the legitimacy of AQ status.
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Post by pdraztec on Jun 15, 2010 10:02:55 GMT -8
From this group..........Houston.
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Post by 94sdsu on Jun 15, 2010 10:21:23 GMT -8
Back in the 70's, I grew up in Galveston which is just below Houston and as far as I knew at the time, there were only 2 colleges in Texas....UT and T A&M. I don't think its changed much so I think it'd be a reach to thing we'd get a big tv deal by getting Houston as it is UT and A&M country.
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Post by grossmont on Jun 15, 2010 10:33:08 GMT -8
houston metro area is 6 million people and yes the horns and aggies are big there but houston is not a slouch and has been to several final fours in basketball and played in many cotton bowls etc. they were in the same conference with texas,texas am, when it was the southwest confrence. houston is good in all 3 sports and has a very good football program now got as high as # 8 last year i believe. fresno would be a second choice but the central valley is nothing that gets you real excited.usc ucla and northern cal schools recruit that area of whats there.tv market is very small .i lived up there for a year.its hicksville.
why dont people understand, if utah leaves this conference will NEVER get an auto bcs berth.the bcs buffoons prefer conferences with atleasst 10 teams in conference for bcs consideration.houston is more on a level of utah than any of the other teams mentioned.there needs to be more than one team (tcu) in texas.the bcs would prob prefer it.keep thinking with the old wac mentality and this conference will never be taken seriously.fresno isnt gonna woo bcs people to let us in.they want money and having a footprint in the largest city in texas will help.even if texas recruits it.texas is to houston what usc is to sdsu wxcept the university of houston goes to bowl games.
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Post by steveaztec on Jun 15, 2010 10:57:31 GMT -8
I lived in Houston in 1991. I look at U of Houston much like I do San Diego State with potential.
Houston is much bigger than San Diego and if it had B (S) C status, would be very successful, as would we.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2010 13:53:51 GMT -8
I lived in Houston in 1991. I look U of Houston much like I do San Diego State with potential. Houston is much bigger than San Diego and if it had B (S) C status, would be very successful, as would we. I think the two are very similar, actually. Yeah, neither "controls" the TV market it's in since both share the market with two more established AQ schools. However, which is more important, holding just a third of a 3 million person market or "controlling" Albuquerque or Boise? |
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Post by kpaztec on Jun 15, 2010 14:01:00 GMT -8
Grossmont delivers good points. 6 Million People and another Texas School are the keys. Also, Phi Slamma Jamma has UNLV level hoop heritage.
If asked, would Houston join the MWC? Anytime you can ask that question, you are potentially getting a school that could help. Fresno would jump at the opportunity, so who needs who worse!
Fresno got jobbed when the MWC was formed, but they don't help the conference get more notoriety, Metro audience, or new recruiting ground.
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 15, 2010 14:06:04 GMT -8
I want fresno... gives us a true rival... I agree, but maybe that is because I am an old guy. This used to be a HUGE rivalry and could well be again. Fresno State and MCRD used to be amazing rivals. Fans got crazy. I'd like to see that again and I think it might be possible. Let's not add MCRD, however.  |
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 15, 2010 15:14:17 GMT -8
MCRD??? Holy cow....was that before or after the Civil War?
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Post by Azpire! on Jun 15, 2010 22:55:33 GMT -8
Fresno, Nevada & Houston. I also think that with all that has transpired the past week, you would have to be crazy to think the TV networks do not have a say in how things continue to play out.
Should the MWC decide to add one or more teams and BCS AQ status is at stake, you had better think the TV networks will negotiate something with the MTN, BYU TV, etc. AND will have a say in who gets added... like Fresno State. They can sell FSU to the masses and America loves what they represent: David vs. Goliath when it comes to their non-conference scheduling.
Everyone knows the East Coast media machine loves Fresno's program. TV can and will push for this behind closed doors.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Jun 16, 2010 5:58:09 GMT -8
Just Houston.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2010 6:28:46 GMT -8
The 8-school conference didn't work well for football scheduling reasons that I can't remember. However, nine worked great and with Boise replacing Utah, we have nine. I therefore see no reason to add anybody right now.
Edit: And if the MWC DOES add somebody, Nevada? Come on. Those guys are a complete fraud. The only WAC school they lost to last year was Boise but including their bowl game they were 1-4 OOC, beating only UNLV, and they lost to ND 35-0 and SMU 45-10. (SMU's defense gave up 23 to Stephen F. Austin, 30 to WSU in its only win of the year, 28 to 2-win Rice, and 21 to 3-win Tulane.) Further, it was their fifth straight bowl season yet they averaged exactly 17,500 fans per game. How pathetic is that? Finally, contrary to common belief, UNLV fans have zero interest in seeing Nevada added to the MWC. Just say no to UNR.
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 16, 2010 6:37:39 GMT -8
MWC
BYU
Boise
New Mexico
CSU
AFA
Wyoming
Nevada
SDSU
UNLV
TCU
Houston
Fresno
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Post by aronoff on Jun 16, 2010 7:05:18 GMT -8
if you look at the overall athletic program, location and travel costs, SMU and Houston are the best options for additional members
If we decide to stay at 10 and the NCAA reduces the conference football playoff game ceiling from 12-teams to 10-teams then either one should be added to replace Utah.
Houston adds more TV sets and with their facility commitment - they will be a factor in all sports. SMU provides great Olympic sports and facilities. June Jones is having success in finally getting the Mustangs back among the living in football. Expect them to be even better in 2010.
None of the other choices will help the conference TV package except the Texas schools. Both offer easy travel as major air hubs.
not a hard decision.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2010 8:18:02 GMT -8
It's all about money, which is all about TV ratings, which are all about football and to a much lesser extent, men's basketball. Olympic sports therefore don't matter. Further, with Utah going (the announcement should be by the end of the week, if not today), the MWC will have nine members again. So it makes no sense whatsoever to add two more schools.
BTW, during its fifth consecutive bowl season, Houston averaged 25,242 fans per game in 2009. During its first winning season in 12 years, SMU averaged 21,814. Also, given the insistence of some rich alumni that SMU football finally recover from the Death Penalty, June Jones will probably be there for the rest of his career. Kevin Sumlin, OTOH, is a young stud African American coach who for those reasons is exactly the kind of guy everybody wants. So can UH keep him? Doubtful. They couldn't manage to keep Art Briles from leaving for a lousy AQ job at Baylor.
To me, it would be a big mistake for the MWC to add anybody else right now. We've gotten along great with nine schools for the last five years and continuing with that amount for the next couple years will allow us to get a better view of the potential of Houston and SMU. Not just that, but Fresno State. Once Boise leaves the WAC in 2011, Fresno should dominate that POS conference. If they do, Fresno would also appear to be a good candidate for expansion. However, if they don't, Fresno could be just as much a fraud as Nevada. (And no, Yoda, the Aztecs wouldn't dominate the WAC either. Not close. However, we're already in the house and nobody is telling us to leave. The question is simply who else is going to be let in the door.)
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Post by sdsuaztecs on Jun 16, 2010 10:07:09 GMT -8
If Utah does NOT leave the MWC, the MWC should add Houston and Fresno and get the $2.0M entry fee as insurance against Utah leaving in the future. That should virtually assure the MWC of an AQ to the BCS as well which might keep Utah (or anyone else for that matter) from wanting to leave the MWC in the fuiture. It also would be less traumatic to the MWC, especially from a financial standpoint, if the MWC gains AQ status and Utah leaves after achieving AQ status. With AQ status the MWC could also "pick and choose" who might replace Utah in the event they leave.
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Post by standiego on Jun 16, 2010 12:12:50 GMT -8
according to ESPN UTAH to PAC ? , is a done deal, the MWC needs to talk with some of the options that have decent programs and easy access to travel to,
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 16, 2010 12:31:47 GMT -8
Let's skip the emotional response on this to go get Fresno State. Folks, this is all about the Benjamins and Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the country. It is a no brainer...
GO GET HOUSTON!!!!!!!
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Post by sdsuphilip on Jun 16, 2010 13:01:11 GMT -8
Hear, hear. We oughtta also go get SMU. Then we'd have three teams from the former SWC, and all three of these schools' alums are a lot wealthier and influential than those of any other school in the conference save (maybe) BYU. Also, I'll say it again: We gotta get rid of Wyoming. Smu and Houston would be nice gets thought that would get us to 11 and really doesn't add great market value to add both, but still with there boosters and available money and good football programs would be good. Wyoming isn't going anywhere and has a decent football program and there bball team sells very well when they are good. Do not act desperately and add UNR or Fresno they bring very little to this conference |
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