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Post by sdtosf on May 31, 2010 19:54:00 GMT -8
Especially in the time of war. You Obama haters are traitors to the USA!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 20:39:00 GMT -8
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. Who says us knuckledraggers can't learn...
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 31, 2010 21:03:51 GMT -8
Especially in the time of war. You Obama haters are traitors to the USA! Traitors? Uh, perhaps you should consult a dictionary. In any event, those on the Left did not hesitate to criticize Bush during time of war. And, by the way, though I disagreed with much of that criticism, I absolutely think those anti-Bush critics had a right to complain. How about our current President? First, let's compare him with an earlier wartime President, Franklin Roosevelt. FDR was bitterly opposed by many (a minority of the electorate, but still a lot of people) before Pearl Harbor. After 12-7-41, FDR was considered by virtually everyone to be a strong, effective wartime leader. Why was that? Various reasons, I suppose, but the most important was that there was never any doubt about where his heart lay. Obama, though I have no doubt that he wants the best for this country, simply has failed to connect with the majority of Americans since he took office. There are lots of questions about what he considers important. About some of the strange ideas held by his appointees. About his bowing and scraping to foreign leaders and his repeated apologies for this country's shortcomings. About why he forced a hugely unpopular and problematic health insurance reform on the American people rather than make compromises that would garner greater public support. About why, a year and a half into office, he still has a tendency to blame his predecessor for the ills of the country. About why so many of his promises made during the campaign have been so blatantly broken. About why he seems so thin-skinned in a job that calls for Rhino-tough ability to laugh off, perhaps even learn from, criticism. Too many nagging questions to just sit back and say nothing. AzWm |
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Post by AztecTom on May 31, 2010 21:20:38 GMT -8
Especially in the time of war. You Obama haters are traitors to the USA! WTF are you talking about? He has done an absolutely awful job. He wants to cut the military budget. Can you please just tell me one good thing he has done while in office? |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on May 31, 2010 21:59:05 GMT -8
Sure why not, during the Bush administration if you opposed anything Bush did you were viewed as Anti-American. You can't have it both ways. Pick one and stick with it, don't change it when it suits your needs or beliefs....
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Post by AztecTom on May 31, 2010 22:04:28 GMT -8
Sure why not, during the Bush administration if you opposed anything Bush did you were viewed as Anti-American. You can't have it both ways. Pick one and stick with it, don't change it when it suits your needs or beliefs.... I had some problems with somethings the Bush administration did as well. I just call it like I see it. Obama is a complete joke and failure! |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 1, 2010 4:50:24 GMT -8
Especially in the time of war. You Obama haters are traitors to the USA! This start might make this thread go on for a long time. Are we hypocritical or do we have short memories? |
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 1, 2010 8:54:40 GMT -8
I never bash the President, only his policies, appointments, judgement, and goals.
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Post by monty on Jun 1, 2010 9:20:29 GMT -8
It is naive to feel any president has control of everything or even most things. One point is he is the top of but one of three branches; from a different point of view, lobbyists, corporations and fund raising for campaigns make the real decisions inside congress and the executive branches.
Bash the president as short-hand for something, but to bash Bushes, Clinton, Obama, etc themselves as in control of the government is at best a gross simplification, at worst being complete illiterate and blind to how this country actually runs.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jun 1, 2010 11:57:59 GMT -8
Sure why not, during the Bush administration if you opposed anything Bush did you were viewed as Anti-American. You can't have it both ways. Pick one and stick with it, don't change it when it suits your needs or beliefs.... I had some problems with somethings the Bush administration did as well. I just call it like I see it. Obama is a complete joke and failure! I think it's too soon to consider Obama a joke and a failure, he hasn't even served 2 years as president, of course maybe there is nothing he can do to please you... But I support your right to disagree with the president's policies, no matter who the president. It doesn't make you any less American or patriotic. What I do have a problem with is non-policy related issues, ok you may not like his policies and may never like him but enough with the birth certificate bs, muslim etc. (not saying you're one of them because I don't know). Or how he's unAmerican because his policies are different then your yours. Just because someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't make them any less American than you (targeted at the Palin types). |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jun 1, 2010 11:59:46 GMT -8
It is naive to feel any president has control of everything or even most things. One point is he is the top of but one of three branches; from a different point of view, lobbyists, corporations and fund raising for campaigns make the real decisions inside congress and the executive branches. Bash the president as short-hand for something, but to bash Bushes, Clinton, Obama, etc themselves as in control of the government is at best a gross simplification, at worst being complete illiterate and blind to how this country actually runs. I agree with this. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 1, 2010 12:22:36 GMT -8
Especially in the time of war. You Obama haters are traitors to the USA! What about the President bashing the USA in the time of war? Oh yeah .... that would make him unpatriotic and a traitor too! Or were you just trying to be funny? |
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 1, 2010 19:31:31 GMT -8
Just wanted to showcase that when conservatives bash the Democratic President that they only do so because they are sore losers. They say it is their freedom to do so which I support. However when the Dixie Chicks say one thing against Bush, the right wing political machine pulls them off the air and then that is followed by death threats from the right. Sarah Palin is good at driving the hate message against people that do not have similar views to herself. She rivals Hitler in making good citizens angry against a people or cause that does not fit the right wing party views. Obama is doing a great job. Following Bush is like following Chuck Long in Aztec football. It will take a couple to a few years to get things going in the right direction.
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Post by bigdog41 on Jun 1, 2010 20:26:25 GMT -8
Under the circumstances Obama is a DECENT JOB. He inherited an economy that was as bad as the one we had during the great depression and he had the balls to pass a stimulus bill. The do nothing Republicans and their allies the Tea Baggers criticized him for that. For 12 years the Republicans did nothing about the broken healthcare system which was becoming increasingly affordable to only the very wealthy and when Obama stepped up to do something about it the Tea Baggers ran around like the knuckle heads that they are and spoiled the process so he had to settle for something healthcare bill that was not the best but better than nothing. He passed legislation against the predatory credit card companies and reformed the banking system. He also refocused on Afghanistan and has the Taliban on the run.
What did the Republicans do in 12 years? They sat by as the banks ripped off Americans; they stood by as Americans got ripped off by the Tech bubble. They spent 1 trillion in Iraq for what I don't know? The ballooned the deficit, destroyed our standing in the world, ruined our economy and I can go on and on and on.
BTW, I am not a DEM or REP. I am an Independent American, the way it should be. There should be no parties, half the mess we are in is because of this dumb 2 party system.
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 1, 2010 20:50:48 GMT -8
Well said Big Dog 41! And to make another point I have had unregulated Wall Street Brokers and Bankers steal about $100K from me while I was never robbed by an undocumented worker.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jun 1, 2010 21:15:01 GMT -8
Just a thought here. George Bush tried hard to get an immigration reform passed. Burned a lot of political capital in the effort. He got shot down, not just by the Dems, but by his own party as well. After that he undoubtedly did not have to stomach to try to get health care through.
AzWm
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2010 9:29:33 GMT -8
Just wanted to showcase that when conservatives bash the Democratic President that they only do so because they are sore losers. They say it is their freedom to do so which I support. However when the Dixie Chicks say one thing against Bush, the right wing political machine pulls them off the air and then that is followed by death threats from the right. Sarah Palin is good at driving the hate message against people that do not have similar views to herself. She rivals Hitler in making good citizens angry against a people or cause that does not fit the right wing party views. Obama is doing a great job. Following Bush is like following Chuck Long in Aztec football. It will take a couple to a few years to get things going in the right direction. What you are showcasing is the hypocrisy of the left. The left attacked Bush, McCain, Palin, every opponent relentlessly when it served their purpose (as does anyone in politics). But leave it to clueless leftists to equate political sport at their candidate's expense to Hitler, NAZIs, (substitute tired hyperbole from Huffington Post here), etc. But when it is at the other guy's expense, it is "Patriotism". See Hillary's comment - "Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism". Regarding Obama, he is completely out of his league. Remember, this is guy who could only muster a bunch of "present" votes when asked to vote on controversial items in the relatively Democrat safe environment of Illinois. Not only was he not smart enough at any time in his life to tell his profs, Rev Wright, Ayers, etc to go and take a flying leap at a rolling dough-nut with their Marxist-light pablum, he incorporated that philosophy into his core. So now we have no job growth outside of what the Government hands out (and will be gone once the funding is pulled). Capitalism is shunned, Socialism is pushed and, as a result, the economy is in the dumpster and will remain so until these idiots get booted. We have the Carter-esque stagnation upon us now and in a year or so, we will be getting Carter-esque inflation (with all the mindless spending). We called it Stagflation back when. But for now, Happy Days Are Here Again for clueless Leftists as Obama is going a great job  . |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 2, 2010 11:28:55 GMT -8
The Affirmative Action President has to this point, been an absolute flop. His socialist policies and radical agenda are the main reasons for my political disagreements. I support our troops wholeheartedly, but the current Commander in Chief leaves much to be desired.
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Post by sdtosf on Jun 2, 2010 13:17:28 GMT -8
One thing to point out is that 8 years of republican rule brought us to this financial mess. Don't forget that! Obama is ruling from the center but a new almost Nazi right wing of the republican party views center as socialistic. If things were so great under republican rule then why isn't McCain our President? GDP has grown since fall 2009 and job losses have stopped and we are now seeing new job growth. Obama is doing a good job given the major challenges he inherited. Plan fact. Another fact: Don't Ask Don't Tell is being approved by republican senators only if a $43B fighter jet bill f-35 is put on the bill. The Pentagon said they do not need this fighter jet but republican senators want it due to the jobs it will produce in their states. Isn't that socialism republicans??? Also Gov. Perry from Texas balenced his state budget with $23B from Obama. He cried that this was socialism however in the end he took the money and took credit for it. LOL!
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 2, 2010 13:29:22 GMT -8
The Affirmative Action President has to this point, been an absolute flop. His socialist policies and radical agenda are the main reasons for my political disagreements. I support our troops wholeheartedly, but the current Commander in Chief leaves much to be desired. "Affirmative Action President"  Go ahead and use the "N" word. I know you really want to.  |
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