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Post by johneaztec on Dec 20, 2023 12:11:46 GMT -8
So based on the makeup of the SCOTUS, they're more likely to vote for denial? I had thought they were more conservative. Maybe that does not matter in this case, if true. I would think (speculation, to be clear) that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as breaking ground on new territory like this. Some conservatives think the ban will be upheld, though. It's in the Constitution, and as written, is correct. That's what I was thinking. They don't want to be the ones to set the precedent. If the election were held today, who do you think would win? |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Dec 20, 2023 12:17:40 GMT -8
I guess I missed the part where Trump was convicted of insurrection (or even charged with it). Equal Protection and Other Rights Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/What part of that says charged and/or convicted?...the Jan 6th committee found that Trump engaged in insurrection, rebellion and of given aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States Constitutional right to a peaceful transfer of power...did it not?...therefore, the threshold for removal has been exceeded. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 20, 2023 12:35:13 GMT -8
I would think (speculation, to be clear) that the Supreme Court does not want to be seen as breaking ground on new territory like this. Some conservatives think the ban will be upheld, though. It's in the Constitution, and as written, is correct. That's what I was thinking. They don't want to be the ones to set the precedent. If the election were held today, who do you think would win? Biden. |
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Post by azson on Dec 20, 2023 12:44:17 GMT -8
Doesn't require a conviction or a charge. The court can interpret the Constitution as they see it. It'll of course be appealed and Trump will be on the general ballot. As he should be. Based on...? |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 20, 2023 13:20:26 GMT -8
That's what I was thinking. They don't want to be the ones to set the precedent. If the election were held today, who do you think would win? Biden. That was my thought up until about a month ago. I think Trump would win a tight one if it was held today. Unfortunately, in the end, it's going to be Trump or Biden. Ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 20, 2023 13:40:07 GMT -8
That was my thought up until about a month ago. I think Trump would win a tight one if it was held today. Unfortunately, in the end, it's going to be Trump or Biden. Ridiculous. Polls overvalue Trump's base consistently. He won't do well with non-voters in 2020, nor with younger voters. |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 20, 2023 14:24:22 GMT -8
That was my thought up until about a month ago. I think Trump would win a tight one if it was held today. Unfortunately, in the end, it's going to be Trump or Biden. Ridiculous. Polls overvalue Trump's base consistently. He won't do well with non-voters in 2020, nor with younger voters. One compelling poll that was shown on CNN.com, was that the better percentage of people who had not voted in the 2020 election, who are now registered voters, are going to vote for Trump. So, maybe that contradicts your thinking on the non-voters in 2020? It was the Times/Sienna poll. It also says that Trump is ahead on 5-6 battle ground states, which is where I think these numbers came from. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 20, 2023 19:17:28 GMT -8
This foolishness could usher in the end of our democracy. Next up, Texas and Florida oust Biden from the ballot for failing to secure the US/Mexico border. Stop. Watching. Fox. All they are doing is gaslighting and bullshitting you. You're smarter than this. You went to San Diego State. Be smart. One is an actual reality, the other is a fictional set of circumstances that doesn't include an actual clause anywhere in the Constitution. Once again, this case was brought by four REPUBLICANS. Honestly, the on air talent and production is better on Fox than CNN. Being in the industry, that counts for something in my eyes. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 20, 2023 20:14:10 GMT -8
Stop. Watching. Fox. All they are doing is gaslighting and bullshitting you. You're smarter than this. You went to San Diego State. Be smart. One is an actual reality, the other is a fictional set of circumstances that doesn't include an actual clause anywhere in the Constitution. Once again, this case was brought by four REPUBLICANS. Honestly, the on air talent and production is better on Fox than CNN. Being in the industry, that counts for something in my eyes. And automatically this takes you into unserious territory. Yes, Kayleigh McEnany? Hannity? Jesse Watters? That writes itself. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 21, 2023 14:11:23 GMT -8
Honestly, the on air talent and production is better on Fox than CNN. Being in the industry, that counts for something in my eyes. And automatically this takes you into unserious territory. Yes, Kayleigh McEnany? Hannity? Jesse Watters? That writes itself. Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Back to topic, this removing candidates from ballots is beyond absurd. Operatives from both sides of the political spectrum agree. Only democrats with their mental disordered thinking would have the gall to think this is acceptable. It also proves what I have been saying all along. The democrat party openly fears Trump and knows there is an epic beating waiting for them in 11 months assuming the election is fair and legitimate. The Dems are so cowardly, they resort to this level of underhanded manipulation. Do you endorse this kind of political cowardice? It is reasonable to assume that such a party with ZERO STANDARDS OF FAIRNESS and equity would resort to any form of electoral fraud on any scale. The mindset of TRUMP MUST BE DEFEATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY has been on display for several months now. The Democrats are a sham of a political party, and their voters are guilty by association and for the most part demented and intellectually bankrupt for supporting and buying into such fraud. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 21, 2023 14:28:25 GMT -8
And automatically this takes you into unserious territory. Yes, Kayleigh McEnany? Hannity? Jesse Watters? That writes itself. Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Personal prejudice? No. It's called being attached to reality. You REALLY want to go down this road? An objective person can agree that this is both false and extremely dumb. Um...yeah. An objective person can agree this is batshit crazy and false. So you support Anti-Semitism? Good to know. Good to know, part two. Good to know, part three. (Ingraham, between slurring her words, is apparently unaware Trump has promised to do, well, just what she's describing here?) "SOLID CONTRIBUTORS." Nailed it. Thanks for letting the entire forum know you're a completely awful human being, though. Nothing like outing yourself. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 21, 2023 14:32:22 GMT -8
And automatically this takes you into unserious territory. Yes, Kayleigh McEnany? Hannity? Jesse Watters? That writes itself. Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Back to topic, this removing candidates from ballots is beyond absurd. Operatives from both sides of the political spectrum agree. Only democrats with their mental disordered thinking would have the gall to think this is acceptable. It also proves what I have been saying all along. The democrat party openly fears Trump and knows there is an epic beating waiting for them in 11 months assuming the election is fair and legitimate. The Dems are so cowardly, they resort to this level of underhanded manipulation. Do you endorse this kind of political cowardice? It is reasonable to assume that such a party with ZERO STANDARDS OF FAIRNESS and equity would resort to any form of electoral fraud on any scale. The mindset of TRUMP MUST BE DEFEATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY has been on display for several months now. The Democrats are a sham of a political party, and their voters are guilty by association and for the most part demented and intellectually bankrupt for supporting and buying into such fraud. The case was brought forth in Colorado by four Republicans. No Democrats were involved. |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 21, 2023 14:59:22 GMT -8
Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Back to topic, this removing candidates from ballots is beyond absurd. Operatives from both sides of the political spectrum agree. Only democrats with their mental disordered thinking would have the gall to think this is acceptable. It also proves what I have been saying all along. The democrat party openly fears Trump and knows there is an epic beating waiting for them in 11 months assuming the election is fair and legitimate. The Dems are so cowardly, they resort to this level of underhanded manipulation. Do you endorse this kind of political cowardice? It is reasonable to assume that such a party with ZERO STANDARDS OF FAIRNESS and equity would resort to any form of electoral fraud on any scale. The mindset of TRUMP MUST BE DEFEATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY has been on display for several months now. The Democrats are a sham of a political party, and their voters are guilty by association and for the most part demented and intellectually bankrupt for supporting and buying into such fraud. The case was brought forth in Colorado by four Republicans. No Democrats were involved. There were also two with no party affiliation. The four Republicans that you mention are known by many as RINO's. "Republican In Name Only", just as there are DINO's and LINO's. But yes, Trump is also disliked by people from ALL parties. Come to think of it, so is Biden. Such is the life of a politician. |
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 21, 2023 15:00:47 GMT -8
And automatically this takes you into unserious territory. Yes, Kayleigh McEnany? Hannity? Jesse Watters? That writes itself. Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Back to topic, this removing candidates from ballots is beyond absurd. Operatives from both sides of the political spectrum agree. Only democrats with their mental disordered thinking would have the gall to think this is acceptable. It also proves what I have been saying all along. The democrat party openly fears Trump and knows there is an epic beating waiting for them in 11 months assuming the election is fair and legitimate. The Dems are so cowardly, they resort to this level of underhanded manipulation. Do you endorse this kind of political cowardice? It is reasonable to assume that such a party with ZERO STANDARDS OF FAIRNESS and equity would resort to any form of electoral fraud on any scale. The mindset of TRUMP MUST BE DEFEATED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY has been on display for several months now. The Democrats are a sham of a political party, and their voters are guilty by association and for the most part demented and intellectually bankrupt for supporting and buying into such fraud. Why are so many musicians "demented and intellectually bankrupt"? you seem to be an outlier. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 21, 2023 15:45:34 GMT -8
The case was brought forth in Colorado by four Republicans. No Democrats were involved. There were also two with no party affiliation. The four Republicans that you mention are known by many as RINO's. "Republican In Name Only", just as there are DINO's and LINO's. But yes, Trump is also disliked by people from ALL parties. Come to think of it, so is Biden. Such as the life of a politician. No Democrats were involved. The end. |
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Post by azson on Dec 21, 2023 15:51:27 GMT -8
Your own personal prejudice makes you basically unable to evaluate any show with an unbiased view. On the other hand, I have been around the medium for several years and know what to look for. Guttfeld, Baer, Watters, Perino, Hannity and Ingram are all good solid contributors. Thanks for letting the entire forum know you're a completely awful human being, though. Nothing like outing yourself. I think that's been pretty clear for a while now. |
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Post by azson on Dec 21, 2023 15:53:34 GMT -8
The case was brought forth in Colorado by four Republicans. No Democrats were involved. There were also two with no party affiliation. The four Republicans that you mention are known by many as RINO's. "Republican In Name Only", just as there are DINO's and LINO's. But yes, Trump is also disliked by people from ALL parties. Come to think of it, so is Biden. Such as the life of a politician. John, please stop with the false equivalence. Last I checked Biden wasn't indicted for nearly 100 felony counts. |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 21, 2023 16:02:05 GMT -8
There were also two with no party affiliation. The four Republicans that you mention are known by many as RINO's. "Republican In Name Only", just as there are DINO's and LINO's. But yes, Trump is also disliked by people from ALL parties. Come to think of it, so is Biden. Such as the life of a politician. John, please stop with the false equivalence. Last I checked Biden wasn't indicted for nearly 100 felony counts. That's a little dramatic, since I was never trying to compare the two in totality, just the fact that not many really care for either, including me. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 21, 2023 16:06:04 GMT -8
John, please stop with the false equivalence. Last I checked Biden wasn't indicted for nearly 100 felony counts. That's a little dramatic, since I was never trying to compare the two in totality, just the fact that not many really care for either, including me. Yet you did exactly that. Stick to facts, it's so much easier. |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 21, 2023 16:09:37 GMT -8
That's a little dramatic, since I was never trying to compare the two in totality, just the fact that not many really care for either, including me. Yet you did exactly that. I absolutely was comparing them both in terms of what the Country thinks about them, which is, not much. They're each disliked in different ways, that's for sure. I think MANY were/are hoping for a much better candidate, especially in the near future, including me, big time. |
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