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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 14:42:56 GMT -8
Are you saying that this wasn't an unprovoked attack? These two sides have been fighting for decades. Yes, I know, but this particular attack was unprovoked. Hamas is a terrorist group. Children died in this invasion.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 14:46:53 GMT -8
These two sides have been fighting for decades. Yes, I know, but this particular attack was unprovoked. Hamas is a terrorist group. Children died in this invasion. Hamas doesn't care about provocation. They have one goal and only one goal.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 9, 2023 15:07:47 GMT -8
Extremely disturbing. Our longtime friend's daughter is trying to fly out, but can't. My wife is supposed to fly to Isreal for her wedding in March...but who knows what it will be like then.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 15:08:08 GMT -8
Yes, I know, but this particular attack was unprovoked. Hamas is a terrorist group. Children died in this invasion. Hamas doesn't care about provocation. They have one goal and only one goal. Exactly, ruthless. This particular attack was unprovoked by a terrorist organization, and there's no excuse for it. There's no "both have blame" on this one.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 9, 2023 15:29:15 GMT -8
Not to sound overly alarmist, but a similar large scale terrorist commando style raid could happen in the USA. In fact San Diego would be a prime target.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 9, 2023 15:39:05 GMT -8
Not to sound overly alarmist, but a similar large scale terrorist commando style raid could happen in the USA. In fact San Diego would be a prime target. yep, maybe it would be the owners of the LIV golfers at Torrey Pines.
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Post by azson on Oct 9, 2023 15:51:17 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 16:19:37 GMT -8
Hamas doesn't care about provocation. They have one goal and only one goal. Exactly, ruthless. This particular attack was unprovoked by a terrorist organization, and there's no excuse for it. There's no "both have blame" on this one. This is ironic.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 16:24:38 GMT -8
There definitely will be unfortunate collateral damage, but I would NEVER compare Hamas to Israel. I highly doubt Israel has ever raped, tortured, etc, anybody the way Hamas has, let alone their own people. They GO AFTER children, the vulnerable, and their own. They're a known terrorist group. That's the big difference. I'm also only speaking of this one, recent event.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 9, 2023 16:25:58 GMT -8
ya, but you gotta be a next level animal to execute young people at a rock concert. Murdering many other innocents. I know this geographical area has been volatile, but this is just depravity at the highest level. May come to USA...we are not there yet by any means...but its not going to be terrorists killing us...it will be fellow Americans...because of absolute bull$#!+ and money making pigs.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 16:31:33 GMT -8
Exactly, ruthless. This particular attack was unprovoked by a terrorist organization, and there's no excuse for it. There's no "both have blame" on this one. This is ironic. Wow. Sounds like you're sympathetic towards Hamas. Yuck. Pass.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 16:39:53 GMT -8
Wow. Sounds you're sympathetic towards Hamas. Yikes. Not at all. It sounds like you're trying to preach when you're the ultimate "both sides" guy and completely hypocritical here. Nothing excuses what Hamas did, for the record. Neither side is innocent, at the same time. Both cases can be true without absolving a party of committing terrorism.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 16:41:59 GMT -8
Wow. Sounds you're sympathetic towards Hamas. Yikes. Not at all. It sounds like you're trying to preach when you're the ultimate "both sides" guy and completely hypocritical. Nothing excuses what Hamas did, for the record. What an incredibly bad reach. Sometimes there are situations where it is on both sides, but clearly not here. Give it a rest. Sheesh.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 16:50:47 GMT -8
Not at all. It sounds like you're trying to preach when you're the ultimate "both sides" guy and completely hypocritical. Nothing excuses what Hamas did, for the record. What an incredibly bad reach. Sometimes there are situations where it is on both sides, but clearly not here. Give it a rest. Sheesh. As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though.
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 9, 2023 16:53:23 GMT -8
What an incredibly bad reach. Sometimes there are situations where it is on both sides, but clearly not here. Give it a rest. Sheesh. As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though. just to jump in here. what we are seeing in Isreal, you can multiply by 1000 what's going to happen if Russia gets the upper hand in Ukraine. And trump will love every minute of it.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 17:09:22 GMT -8
What an incredibly bad reach. Sometimes there are situations where it is on both sides, but clearly not here. Give it a rest. Sheesh. As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though. As with most topics, you think you're opinion is the correct one and everyone else's opinions are wrong. As with most topics, you'll grab a different subject out of thin air to TRY and nullify me. As with most topics, you'll make things more than they really are, just so you can read what you wrote, and pat yourself on the back. As with most topics, you think you're the expert on every one of them and you have all the answers. As with most topics, well, you get my drift.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 17:10:44 GMT -8
What an incredibly bad reach. Sometimes there are situations where it is on both sides, but clearly not here. Give it a rest. Sheesh. As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though. You don't have to be an expert in this particular situation, which is what I'm talking about. You just go right ahead and make it out to be more. Keep making yourself look bad. By the way, I do know quite a bit about the history between the two, and understand that there's two sides to every story, but in this particular situation, there's no excuses like you seem to be trying to make for Hamas. Horrible.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 17:20:55 GMT -8
As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though. As with most topics, you think you're opinion is the correct one and everyone else's opinions are wrong. As with most topics, you'll grab a different subject out of thin air to TRY and nullify me. As with most topics, you'll make things more than they really are, just so you can read what you wrote, and pat yourself on the back. As with most topics, you think you're the expert on every one of them and you have all the answers. As with most topics, well, you get my drift. I'll take nuance over simplicity every single day. We are on different levels of thought. You're going to take this as me excusing or siding with Hamas, which of course is not true. If you can't see the obvious humanitarian parallels between the Israeli conflict and the Ukraine conflict, like I said....different levels. Perhaps you can take a stand against those who enabled Hamas, if you're so passionate about it.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 9, 2023 17:28:54 GMT -8
As with most topics, I don't think you're a geopolitical expert, nor do I think you understand the complexities of a conflict that has extended 75 years. What Hamas did over the last few days was inhumane and disgusting. I don't recall you having the same level of empathy towards Ukraine, though. You don't have to be an expert in this particular situation, which is what I'm talking about. You just go right ahead and make it out to be more. Keep making yourself look bad. By the way, I do know quite a bit about the history between the two, and understand that there's two sides to every story, but in this particular situation, there's no excuses like you seem to be trying to make for Hamas. Horrible. Of course you don't have to be an expert. You just have to have some level of intelligence to discern that interrelated events don't happen out of nowhere. Your level of understanding stops at "unprovoked attack" whereas mine understands this is a gross, vile escalation of violence that has plagued the region since 1948. www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/The truth is far more complicated than one 48 or 72 hour window.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 9, 2023 17:45:59 GMT -8
You don't have to be an expert in this particular situation, which is what I'm talking about. You just go right ahead and make it out to be more. Keep making yourself look bad. By the way, I do know quite a bit about the history between the two, and understand that there's two sides to every story, but in this particular situation, there's no excuses like you seem to be trying to make for Hamas. Horrible. Of course you don't have to be an expert. You just have to have some level of intelligence to discern that interrelated events don't happen out of nowhere. Your level of understanding stops at "unprovoked attack" whereas mine understands this is a gross, vile escalation of violence that has plagued the region since 1948. www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/The truth is far more complicated than one 48 or 72 hour window. This is absolutely not a surprising response/s from you. You are one of the most pompous people I've ever encountered in my life, and that says a lot. Just because I posted about this one event and what happened in this event only, does not mean that I don't know the history. I decided to NOT bring up the past, since there's no excuse for their actions, at all. You're trying to give reasons for it. Wow!!! If you can, (highly doubtful) for just one second, stop patting yourself on the back, it would be a miracle. This issue doesn't call for it. Yes, there's blame to go around for both sides in the past, but in this particular event, Hamas is solely to blame. You're deciding to bring up the past to soften what Hamas has just done, and what they are doing. That's reprehensible. Shame on you. News flash. There's no excuse for it. Sheesh.
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