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Post by Yoda on May 9, 2023 9:55:27 GMT -8
First off who you trust is a personal decision. In this case I think you choose not to trust anybody who says something not in line with your hoped for realignment outcome. Two questions come to mind though. One, why do you feel who you trust is important to anyone else here? Second, despite never having met SDSU’s president, much less worked with her, you’ve determined she’s not trustworthy. How were you able to do that, and how about going on the record with those you do trust? Secondly, you decided to lecture us regarding the difference between firm offers and provisional offers. It seems to me you’re really explaining the difference between a signed contract and a provisional offer, but hey who am I to suggest that your law degree doesn’t give you insight into the legal affairs of Universities and their athletic endeavors. However, there is one area you seem to be demonstrably engaging in fantasy again. Please go back and reread Boise’s short post. In it he never mentions provisional offer, he says he is aware that SDSU has a firm offer from the PAC 12. Based on your statement you seem to be, with no proof, calling him a liar. I take offense at that insinuation and believe it’s a clear violation of forum rules. Unless you have proof, you owe him an apology. Thirdly, while something may seem highly unlikely to you, that doesn’t mean it is not what is really happening; so your statement is IMHO more a reflection of your inability to understand the decisions of those you mistrust rather than proof of what is really going on. In this case, it is just as likely that since Yormack was informed of SDSU’s desire to join the PAC instead of the BIG no announcement was made because it might be taken by some as a negative comment on his conference. As an example, there has been no announcement from the BIG 10 that ND is not joining. Regarding the UC BoR, I’m not as familiar with their inner workings as you seem to think you are, but once again go back and read Boise’s post. All he said as I read it is that the Board got in the way of a November announcement, and we are all aware of what happened at that time. He did not suggest there have not been subsequent issues, but those untrustworthy Presidents have been pretty clear they want to announce the tv deal first, and then expansion second. Doesn’t mean they haven’t decided they want to get back to 11 or 12 teams, nor does their silence mean they do not have portions of a tv deal completed. It just means they want to keep negotiations close to their chests, and don’t feel any compelling pressure to meet deadlines you or we have in mind. Finally, you guess that SDSU or (we, which apparently means FSU) may have trouble getting into the BIG 12 if certain events occur. A reminder, you previously said you understood that this thread is about SDSU only, and yet there is a parenthetical mention of Fresno. Does that mean you understood the rules but choose to ignore them? I wasn't lecturing anyone. My use of trust was misconstrued and I explained what I meant by the term and why. You're entirely free to define your use of the term for yourself. Second, I didn't mention Fresno State -- there's actually some very big news out of Fresno today and I haven't brought it up. When I said "we", I was trying to make clear that I wasn't setting one standard for SDSU without acknowledging that the same standard applied to us. Honestly, I don't know why you're so hostile. I'm not over here trashing SDSU in the slightest.
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Post by missiontrails on May 9, 2023 10:25:05 GMT -8
The old St*v*Aztec martyr routine. Well played Yoda! 👌
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Post by Yoda on May 9, 2023 10:35:44 GMT -8
The old St*v*Aztec martyr routine. Well played Yoda! 👌 Well, this won't surprise anybody but I think that Steve is one of the nicest people around and it is a shame that he's not here. We had lunch one time near Seattle and recently have discussed doing it again. He can fight his own battles but that's my personal observation. In any event, I wasn't playing the martyr; I'm just a little frustrated with, and annoyed by, some of the posters here. There is a difference between being a rival and being an enemy. That difference seems lost on a few of you.
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Post by obboy13 on May 9, 2023 10:44:59 GMT -8
First off who you trust is a personal decision. In this case I think you choose not to trust anybody who says something not in line with your hoped for realignment outcome. Two questions come to mind though. One, why do you feel who you trust is important to anyone else here? Second, despite never having met SDSU’s president, much less worked with her, you’ve determined she’s not trustworthy. How were you able to do that, and how about going on the record with those you do trust? Secondly, you decided to lecture us regarding the difference between firm offers and provisional offers. It seems to me you’re really explaining the difference between a signed contract and a provisional offer, but hey who am I to suggest that your law degree doesn’t give you insight into the legal affairs of Universities and their athletic endeavors. However, there is one area you seem to be demonstrably engaging in fantasy again. Please go back and reread Boise’s short post. In it he never mentions provisional offer, he says he is aware that SDSU has a firm offer from the PAC 12. Based on your statement you seem to be, with no proof, calling him a liar. I take offense at that insinuation and believe it’s a clear violation of forum rules. Unless you have proof, you owe him an apology. Thirdly, while something may seem highly unlikely to you, that doesn’t mean it is not what is really happening; so your statement is IMHO more a reflection of your inability to understand the decisions of those you mistrust rather than proof of what is really going on. In this case, it is just as likely that since Yormack was informed of SDSU’s desire to join the PAC instead of the BIG no announcement was made because it might be taken by some as a negative comment on his conference. As an example, there has been no announcement from the BIG 10 that ND is not joining. Regarding the UC BoR, I’m not as familiar with their inner workings as you seem to think you are, but once again go back and read Boise’s post. All he said as I read it is that the Board got in the way of a November announcement, and we are all aware of what happened at that time. He did not suggest there have not been subsequent issues, but those untrustworthy Presidents have been pretty clear they want to announce the tv deal first, and then expansion second. Doesn’t mean they haven’t decided they want to get back to 11 or 12 teams, nor does their silence mean they do not have portions of a tv deal completed. It just means they want to keep negotiations close to their chests, and don’t feel any compelling pressure to meet deadlines you or we have in mind. Finally, you guess that SDSU or (we, which apparently means FSU) may have trouble getting into the BIG 12 if certain events occur. A reminder, you previously said you understood that this thread is about SDSU only, and yet there is a parenthetical mention of Fresno. Does that mean you understood the rules but choose to ignore them? I wasn't lecturing anyone. My use of trust was misconstrued and I explained what I meant by the term and why. You're entirely free to define your use of the term for yourself. Second, I didn't mention Fresno State -- there's actually some very big news out of Fresno today and I haven't brought it up. When I said "we", I was trying to make clear that I wasn't setting one standard for SDSU without acknowledging that the same standard applied to us. Honestly, I don't know why you're so hostile. I'm not over here trashing SDSU in the slightest. You posted this a few hours ago."Similarly, it seems highly unlikely that the Big 12 would make a firm offer before knowing what other PAC schools may be interested in moving. If ASU, Oregon, Washington and Utah all wanted in to the Big 12, I'm guessing that you ( and we) would be SOL. Nobody knew for certain IN NOVEMBER that they would not be interested in moving -- once the TV deal was done." If not Fresno State who is the we in this post? Calling out your mistakes, personal attacks, and hypocrisy is not hostile it's just a never ending task of holding you accountable. I note you did fail to mention why you felt the need to insinuate Boise was disingenuous. Rather than play victim, it would be better to make some amends.
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Post by missiontrails on May 9, 2023 10:53:59 GMT -8
The old St*v*Aztec martyr routine. Well played Yoda! 👌 Well, this won't surprise anybody but I think that Steve is one of the nicest people around and it is a shame that he's not here. We had lunch one time near Seattle and recently have discussed doing it again. He can fight his own battles but that's my personal observation. In any event, I wasn't playing the martyr; I'm just a little frustrated with, and annoyed by, some of the posters here. There is a difference between being a rival and being an enemy. That difference seems lost on a few of you. I have no doubt he’s a nice guy….on the surface. Just don’t dare crack any of that egg shell though.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on May 9, 2023 10:59:26 GMT -8
I knew in November that SDSU had a firm offer from the P12 and still does… I knew in November that SDSU had an offer from the B12 that they had put on hold… these are not public sources… since then our AD came out and said we would be in one or the other. First off, I don't trust Presidents or ADs -- yours or ours. Ultimately, they are the source of most of the conflicting misinformation that the media is reporting. They have a narrative and expectations to manage and, in my view, few of them limit themselves to the truth in doing so. Second off, a provisional offer is not a firm offer. The PAC still had a $40 mil, largely linear, TV deal in mind in November and I expect that if they were getting that, then SDSU would be a no brainer. While I'm fairly certain that you are in at this point, I would argue that a $24 mil, 100% streaming TV deal, would materially impact the likelihood of you getting an invitation -- they may not want to share if you don't add value to the conference immediately. It's not even clear that all the schools would sign a GOR or stay in the conference with such a low offer. And some PAC presidents have said that their Board won't even address expansion until after the TV deal is settled. So, if they haven't addressed it, it can't be a firm offer. Similarly, it seems highly unlikely that the Big 12 would make a firm offer before knowing what other PAC schools may be interested in moving. If ASU, Oregon, Washington and Utah all wanted in to the Big 12, I'm guessing that you (and we) would be SOL. Nobody knew for certain IN NOVEMBER that they would not be interested in moving -- once the TV deal was done. The UC Board of Regents hasn't been in the way since approving the UCLA move in December -- so, if you have a firm offer, then why wasn't it announced long ago? UC Board of Regents approves UCLA’s move to Big Ten in 2024 ==> theathletic.com/4003755/2022/12/14/uc-board-of-regents-ucla-big-ten/We can agree to disagree, but in my view, nobody has a firm offer until the ink is dry. There were way too many moving parts for any firm offers to have been out there in November. This post is, in a nutshell, the reason 80% of the psoters here don't like you. You troll with zero added value to invalidate whatever positive development is posted, and tend to crap all over said positive developments with whatever random tweet some twatwaffle on Twitter posts to support your narrative, all the while seemingly lacking any sense of self-awareness of your tendency to do so. Now, you might be thinking, what about the other 20%? Well, think of it as that 5th dentist who didn't recommend sugar-free gum - everyone knows that guy was an a**hole. ***** Regarding new-news, below is a quote from FOX CFB analyst Brock Huard, who was interviewed by SLC NBC affiliate KSL-TV after having attended the meetings in AZ. Full disclosure: KSL-TV is wholly owned by the LDS: LinkSo how can the deal be both "a number that at first the Pac-12 scoffed at" ($32 million/school) and "be a number that doesn't compete with the B12?" Simple: math. As has been alluded to, the length of the media rights deal for the B12 lasts until the next geological epoch, while the predicted length of the GOR for the Pac-12's deal is believed to be considerably shorter. This simple condition would allow for both statements to be true.
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Post by Den60 on May 9, 2023 11:03:55 GMT -8
I wasn't lecturing anyone. My use of trust was misconstrued and I explained what I meant by the term and why. You're entirely free to define your use of the term for yourself. Second, I didn't mention Fresno State -- there's actually some very big news out of Fresno today and I haven't brought it up. When I said "we", I was trying to make clear that I wasn't setting one standard for SDSU without acknowledging that the same standard applied to us. Honestly, I don't know why you're so hostile. I'm not over here trashing SDSU in the slightest. You posted this a few hours ago."Similarly, it seems highly unlikely that the Big 12 would make a firm offer before knowing what other PAC schools may be interested in moving. If ASU, Oregon, Washington and Utah all wanted in to the Big 12, I'm guessing that you ( and we) would be SOL. Nobody knew for certain IN NOVEMBER that they would not be interested in moving -- once the TV deal was done." If not Fresno State who is the we in this post? Calling out your mistakes, personal attacks, and hypocrisy is not hostile it's just a never ending task of holding you accountable. I note you did fail to mention why you felt the need to insinuate Boise was disingenuous. Rather than play victim, it would be better to make some amends. Well, here is where I see this thread headed: Not going to tell people what to do, but "Iggy" is an option. And, no, not Iggy Stardust.
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Post by Yoda on May 9, 2023 11:04:14 GMT -8
I see no point in arguing with anybody -- neither of us is going to convince the other of much of anything. The thread has devolved from a reasonable discussion to the kind of hostility that gets threads locked.
I've got some work to do so I'll be back later... We'll see if you're still here...
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 9, 2023 11:05:02 GMT -8
I knew in November that SDSU had a firm offer from the P12 and still does… I knew in November that SDSU had an offer from the B12 that they had put on hold… these are not public sources… since then our AD came out and said we would be in one or the other. First off, I don't trust Presidents or ADs -- yours or ours. Ultimately, they are the source of most of the conflicting misinformation that the media is reporting. They have a narrative and expectations to manage and, in my view, few of them limit themselves to the truth in doing so. Second off, a provisional offer is not a firm offer. The PAC still had a $40 mil, largely linear, TV deal in mind in November and I expect that if they were getting that, then SDSU would be a no brainer. While I'm fairly certain that you are in at this point, I would argue that a $24 mil, 100% streaming TV deal, would materially impact the likelihood of you getting an invitation -- they may not want to share if you don't add value to the conference immediately. It's not even clear that all the schools would sign a GOR or stay in the conference with such a low offer. And some PAC presidents have said that their Board won't even address expansion until after the TV deal is settled. So, if they haven't addressed it, it can't be a firm offer. Similarly, it seems highly unlikely that the Big 12 would make a firm offer before knowing what other PAC schools may be interested in moving. If ASU, Oregon, Washington and Utah all wanted in to the Big 12, I'm guessing that you (and we) would be SOL. Nobody knew for certain IN NOVEMBER that they would not be interested in moving -- once the TV deal was done. The UC Board of Regents hasn't been in the way since approving the UCLA move in December -- so, if you have a firm offer, then why wasn't it announced long ago? UC Board of Regents approves UCLA’s move to Big Ten in 2024 ==> theathletic.com/4003755/2022/12/14/uc-board-of-regents-ucla-big-ten/We can agree to disagree, but in my view, nobody has a firm offer until the ink is dry. There were way too many moving parts for any firm offers to have been out there in November. Couldn’t care less about anything you just wrote… nothing against you… you just don’t know… and that is ok… it will all become public soon enough
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 9, 2023 11:05:34 GMT -8
I knew in November that SDSU had a firm offer from the P12 and still does… I knew in November that SDSU had an offer from the B12 that they had put on hold… these are not public sources… since then our AD came out and said we would be in one or the other. Dan Patrick was correct back then, it was going to be announced… but the California board of regents got in the way… On the B12 side, would that deal be contingent with the addition of PAC schools? The offer stands with or without any P12 schools coming over
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Post by Den60 on May 9, 2023 11:13:34 GMT -8
First off, I don't trust Presidents or ADs -- yours or ours. Ultimately, they are the source of most of the conflicting misinformation that the media is reporting. They have a narrative and expectations to manage and, in my view, few of them limit themselves to the truth in doing so. Second off, a provisional offer is not a firm offer. The PAC still had a $40 mil, largely linear, TV deal in mind in November and I expect that if they were getting that, then SDSU would be a no brainer. While I'm fairly certain that you are in at this point, I would argue that a $24 mil, 100% streaming TV deal, would materially impact the likelihood of you getting an invitation -- they may not want to share if you don't add value to the conference immediately. It's not even clear that all the schools would sign a GOR or stay in the conference with such a low offer. And some PAC presidents have said that their Board won't even address expansion until after the TV deal is settled. So, if they haven't addressed it, it can't be a firm offer. Similarly, it seems highly unlikely that the Big 12 would make a firm offer before knowing what other PAC schools may be interested in moving. If ASU, Oregon, Washington and Utah all wanted in to the Big 12, I'm guessing that you (and we) would be SOL. Nobody knew for certain IN NOVEMBER that they would not be interested in moving -- once the TV deal was done. The UC Board of Regents hasn't been in the way since approving the UCLA move in December -- so, if you have a firm offer, then why wasn't it announced long ago? UC Board of Regents approves UCLA’s move to Big Ten in 2024 ==> theathletic.com/4003755/2022/12/14/uc-board-of-regents-ucla-big-ten/We can agree to disagree, but in my view, nobody has a firm offer until the ink is dry. There were way too many moving parts for any firm offers to have been out there in November. This post is, in a nutshell, the reason 80% of the psoters here don't like you. You troll with zero added value to invalidate whatever positive development is posted, and tend to crap all over said positive developments with whatever random tweet some twatwaffle on Twitter posts to support your narrative, all the while seemingly lacking any sense of self-awareness of your tendency to do so. Now, you might be thinking, what about the other 20%? Well, think of it as that 5th dentist who didn't recommend sugar-free gum - everyone knows that guy was an a**hole. ***** Regarding new-news, below is a quote from FOX CFB analyst Brock Huard, who was interviewed by SLC NBC affiliate KSL-TV after having attended the meetings in AZ. Full disclosure: KSL-TV is wholly owned by the LDS: LinkSo how can the deal be both "a number that at first the Pac-12 scoffed at" ($32 million/school) and "be a number that doesn't compete with the B12?" Simple: math. As has been alluded to, the length of the media rights deal for the B12 lasts until the next geological epoch, while the predicted length of the GOR for the Pac-12's deal is believed to be considerably shorter. This simple condition would allow for both statements to be true. The longer the deal, the better the money will be. Also learned from some of the smarter people on here that these deals are highly backloaded. Now, given ESPN's financial issues, they have lost 25% of their cable subscribers over the last decade, you have to wonder if they end up having to do a Chapter 11 what happens to their B12 deal?
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Post by zurac315 on May 9, 2023 11:57:05 GMT -8
On the B12 side, would that deal be contingent with the addition of PAC schools? The offer stands with or without any P12 schools coming over In Boise Aztec I trust.
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Post by socalaztecfan on May 9, 2023 12:43:07 GMT -8
Dang it, I still see Yoda lecturing us about what we need to believe. Blocking him does no good, he shows up in replies.
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Post by myownwords on May 9, 2023 12:46:55 GMT -8
Dang it, I still see Yoda lecturing us about what we need to believe. Blocking him does no good, he shows up in replies. Patience, this will flame out, as there is a gash in the fuel tank.
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Post by AzTex on May 9, 2023 12:47:05 GMT -8
Dang it, I still see Yoda lecturing us about what we need to believe. Blocking him does no good, he shows up in replies.That's why I never bother blocking anyone. If he thinks we're being hostile why doesn't he go somewhere else? I wouldn't make the accusation, but a suspicious person might conclude he's trying to get yet another PAC thread locked.
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Post by fastaztec on May 9, 2023 13:34:20 GMT -8
I don't see any difference between this thread and the one that was deleted. Same thing back and forth with no substantive useful information. This Yoda guy has got to believe that he is the main focus of Aztecmesa even though he is a Fresno guy. What an ego rush for a total outsider compliments of users of this site!! Just great !!!
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Post by TheSanDiegan on May 9, 2023 13:53:35 GMT -8
This post is, in a nutshell, the reason 80% of the psoters here don't like you. You troll with zero added value to invalidate whatever positive development is posted, and tend to crap all over said positive developments with whatever random tweet some twatwaffle on Twitter posts to support your narrative, all the while seemingly lacking any sense of self-awareness of your tendency to do so. Now, you might be thinking, what about the other 20%? Well, think of it as that 5th dentist who didn't recommend sugar-free gum - everyone knows that guy was an a**hole. ***** Regarding new-news, below is a quote from FOX CFB analyst Brock Huard, who was interviewed by SLC NBC affiliate KSL-TV after having attended the meetings in AZ. Full disclosure: KSL-TV is wholly owned by the LDS: LinkSo how can the deal be both "a number that at first the Pac-12 scoffed at" ($32 million/school) and "be a number that doesn't compete with the B12?" Simple: math. As has been alluded to, the length of the media rights deal for the B12 lasts until the next geological epoch, while the predicted length of the GOR for the Pac-12's deal is believed to be considerably shorter. This simple condition would allow for both statements to be true. The longer the deal, the better the money will be. Also learned from some of the smarter people on here that these deals are highly backloaded. Now, given ESPN's financial issues, they have lost 25% of their cable subscribers over the last decade, you have to wonder if they end up having to do a Chapter 11 what happens to their B12 deal? Ha. I barely have time to wonder about what the deets of the Pac-12's deal will be, let alone what might happen to the B12 deal downstream. Not to mention, tbh, for so long as ESPN is in play for the P12's deal (and/or until such time as we know for certain we're not B12 bound), I have a hard time extending my pondering in that direction - it feels a little like I'm implicitly betting on the DON'T PASS line.
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Post by namssa on May 9, 2023 14:26:29 GMT -8
Stop taking the bait and we can stay on topic.
Monty (who granted isn't reliable and rarely right) says in today's episode that he believes that BIG12 will expand by 6 with 4 PAC schools (Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, and Oregon State), Gonzaga, and SDSU. I know... I know.
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Post by namssa on May 9, 2023 14:32:39 GMT -8
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Post by namssa on May 9, 2023 15:13:34 GMT -8
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