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Mar 26, 2022 13:34:52 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 26, 2022 13:34:52 GMT -8
*I* have nothing to do with it. It was widely reported by numerous sources that there was clubhouse dissent when Hosmer's name was being discussed at the deadline with various teams. That turmoil led to some boiled-over frustration where more than one player went to the front office to complain about the clubhouse and how it was being handled. If you want to pretend that Hosmer had no part in that, that's up to you. The swipe at Preller just a few days ago - "If this was Kansas City, it would be different" is another example of his behavior. After he produces another terrible season here, the team will have no choice but to cut ties, as he gets full no-trade rights afterwards. Yeah, what sort of dissension? I know Machado didn't want him to go. Completely irrelevant. Manny and Hosmer go back a long, long time and Manny's not the vocal type to throw his friend under the bus, despite the performance. The trade deadline rumors caused a rift in the clubhouse when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful last season. That's the issue. Just because your teammates don't publicly out you in the media doesn't mean things are harmonious or anywhere near it. Unfortunately, the team's likely stuck with him for the rest of the season.
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Mar 26, 2022 14:12:52 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 26, 2022 14:12:52 GMT -8
Yeah, what sort of dissension? I know Machado didn't want him to go. Completely irrelevant. Manny and Hosmer go back a long, long time and Manny's not the vocal type to throw his friend under the bus, despite the performance. The trade deadline rumors caused a rift in the clubhouse when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful last season. That's the issue. Just because your teammates don't publicly out you in the media doesn't mean things are harmonious or anywhere near it. Unfortunately, the team's likely stuck with him for the rest of the season. Hosmer's NAME (not Hosmer himself) being brought up caused a rift in the clubhouse? Are you saying some wanted him to go, and some wanted him to stay? It sounds like the reason for the rift was meant for the management because they wanted Hosmer to stay, since you said, "when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful." That seems like it's other people's problem if it did bother them, if what you are saying is true. Of course there's things that go on behind the scenes that you or I will never be privy to, but you're reaching big time to say that that's the reason for their collapse. Not even close. Injuries had nothing to do with it, huh? Come on now.
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Mar 26, 2022 15:33:05 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 26, 2022 15:33:05 GMT -8
Completely irrelevant. Manny and Hosmer go back a long, long time and Manny's not the vocal type to throw his friend under the bus, despite the performance. The trade deadline rumors caused a rift in the clubhouse when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful last season. That's the issue. Just because your teammates don't publicly out you in the media doesn't mean things are harmonious or anywhere near it. Unfortunately, the team's likely stuck with him for the rest of the season. Hosmer's NAME (not Hosmer himself) being brought up caused a rift in the clubhouse? Are you saying some wanted him to go, and some wanted him to stay? It sounds like the reason for the rift was meant for the management because they wanted Hosmer to stay, since you said, "when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful." That seems like it's other people's problem if it did bother them, if what you are saying is true. Of course there's things that go on behind the scenes t heat you or I will never be privy to, but you're reaching big time to say that that's the reason for their collapse. Not even close. Injuries had nothing to do with it, huh? Come on now. What is the distinction between Hosmer and his name? He is...Hosmer. And no, management didn't want him to stay. They were so desperate to trade him they were attaching Robert Hassell in trade talks to try and shed his contract. They had a deal with Texas lined up for Joey Gallo, but the Rangers wanted the Padres to eat all of the money AND give then Hassell. Again, all of this was widely reported. It was reported by both writers who cover the Padres. I'm not reaching at all. There can be other factors involved, but this WAS a big factor in their collapse.
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Mar 26, 2022 15:41:06 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 26, 2022 15:41:06 GMT -8
Hosmer's NAME (not Hosmer himself) being brought up caused a rift in the clubhouse? Are you saying some wanted him to go, and some wanted him to stay? It sounds like the reason for the rift was meant for the management because they wanted Hosmer to stay, since you said, "when Hosmer's name was brought up, even though he was awful." That seems like it's other people's problem if it did bother them, if what you are saying is true. Of course there's things that go on behind the scenes t heat you or I will never be privy to, but you're reaching big time to say that that's the reason for their collapse. Not even close. Injuries had nothing to do with it, huh? Come on now. What is the distinction between Hosmer and his name? He is...Hosmer. And no, management didn't want him to stay. They were so desperate to trade him they were attaching Robert Hassell in trade talks to try and shed his contract. They had a deal with Texas lined up for Joey Gallo, but the Rangers wanted the Padres to eat all of the money AND give then Hassell. Again, all of this was widely reported. It was reported by both writers who cover the Padres. I'm not reaching at all. There can be other factors involved, but this WAS a big factor in their collapse. I understand that management wanted to trade Hosmer, desperately. If others wanted to have a say in how they felt about the potential trade, and if they didn't like it, and if it caused some problems, then that's not on Hosmer. He said he didn't want to be traded, but you're absolutely blowing it up WAYYYY more than it was for their collapse. Your hate HAS to be strong for him, to say that was a BIG reason for the collapse when we all know it was mainly the injuries, but it's no shock coming from you since you absolutely expressed your dislike of him strongly last year, so I'll consider the source and move on.
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Mar 26, 2022 16:13:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 26, 2022 16:13:11 GMT -8
What is the distinction between Hosmer and his name? He is...Hosmer. And no, management didn't want him to stay. They were so desperate to trade him they were attaching Robert Hassell in trade talks to try and shed his contract. They had a deal with Texas lined up for Joey Gallo, but the Rangers wanted the Padres to eat all of the money AND give then Hassell. Again, all of this was widely reported. It was reported by both writers who cover the Padres. I'm not reaching at all. There can be other factors involved, but this WAS a big factor in their collapse. I understand that management wanted to trade Hosmer, desperately. If others wanted to have a say in how they felt about the potential trade, and if they didn't like it, and if it caused some problems, then that's not on Hosmer. He said he didn't want to be traded, but you're absolutely blowing it up WAYYYY more than it was for their collapse. Your hate HAS to be strong for him, to say that was a BIG reason for the collapse when we all know it was mainly the injuries, but it's no shock coming from you since you absolutely expressed your dislike of him strongly last year, so I'll consider the source and move on. Yes, I'm completely making it up and putting my ability to get credentialed by the team in jeopardy because I don't like him. Do you get, logically, how dumb that sounds? Would you believe it if it were in print, by someone other than me....or is that still not good enough? Courtesy of the East Village Times... "It is no secret that the San Diego Padres wanted to trade Eric Hosmer at the 2021 trade deadline. Padres general manager A.J. Preller could not find a trade partner, and when the rumors of a possible trade came out into the world, it tore apart the clubhouse and contributed to the collapse of the Padres in 2021." Maybe we all just imagined it and are reaching for the stars? Or, probably more likely, because you weren't paying attention at the time, it simply eluded you. I don't understand it. And if you'd actually like to learn more (because this topic is pretty important)....here's Kevin Acee, noted Hosmer shill, with his take. youtu.be/Uynf2Pn3Xjk
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Mar 26, 2022 16:21:23 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 26, 2022 16:21:23 GMT -8
I understand that management wanted to trade Hosmer, desperately. If others wanted to have a say in how they felt about the potential trade, and if they didn't like it, and if it caused some problems, then that's not on Hosmer. He said he didn't want to be traded, but you're absolutely blowing it up WAYYYY more than it was for their collapse. Your hate HAS to be strong for him, to say that was a BIG reason for the collapse when we all know it was mainly the injuries, but it's no shock coming from you since you absolutely expressed your dislike of him strongly last year, so I'll consider the source and move on. Yes, I'm completely making it up and putting my ability to get credentialed by the team in jeopardy because I don't like him. Do you get, logically, how dumb that sounds? Would you believe it if it were in print, by someone other than me....or is that still not good enough? Courtesy of the East Village Times... "It is no secret that the San Diego Padres wanted to trade Eric Hosmer at the 2021 trade deadline. Padres general manager A.J. Preller could not find a trade partner, and when the rumors of a possible trade came out into the world, it tore apart the clubhouse and contributed to the collapse of the Padres in 2021." Maybe we all just imagined it and are reaching for the stars? Or, probably more likely, because you weren't paying attention at the time, it simply eluded you. I don't understand it. It's like intentional density. Ryan, I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. In my first sentence I said that I understand that the Padres wanted to trade him. That was clear from last year. I'm saying that was nit a Big reason for their collapse like you gave stayed. I say it was injuries. I've said that in multiple posts. Where does the density lie?
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Mar 26, 2022 16:38:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 26, 2022 16:38:55 GMT -8
Yes, I'm completely making it up and putting my ability to get credentialed by the team in jeopardy because I don't like him. Do you get, logically, how dumb that sounds? Would you believe it if it were in print, by someone other than me....or is that still not good enough? Courtesy of the East Village Times... "It is no secret that the San Diego Padres wanted to trade Eric Hosmer at the 2021 trade deadline. Padres general manager A.J. Preller could not find a trade partner, and when the rumors of a possible trade came out into the world, it tore apart the clubhouse and contributed to the collapse of the Padres in 2021." Maybe we all just imagined it and are reaching for the stars? Or, probably more likely, because you weren't paying attention at the time, it simply eluded you. I don't understand it. It's like intentional density. Ryan, I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. In my first sentence I said that I understand that the Padres wanted to trade him. That was clear from last year. I'm saying that was nit a Big reason for their collapse like you gave stayed. I say it was injuries. I've said that in multiple posts. Where does the density lie? Because you refuse to admit that the Hosmer situation directly led to the collapse in the second half and think I'm making it up for some unknown reason.. What you seem to not be able to separate is that there are multiple factors at play, injuries being one of them...but it's all connected. Not being able to pull off the Hosmer deal, hurting his feelings (per Acee) = Not being able to make the necessary moves to bolster the staff = Unhappy clubhouse = Utter collapse. The players were adamant and angry that the team didn't pull off the moves for more pitching depth at the deadline, but they simply couldn't do it for the prices that were being asked, especially in the wake of being stuck with Hosmer on the roster. Paddack goes down within hours of the deadline, Snell and Darvish miss starts, Lamet's a non-factor, Clevinger's already out...it all plays a part. But to say that the Hosmer rumors and subsequent fallout didn't influence a bad situation is just simply not true.
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Mar 26, 2022 16:53:51 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 26, 2022 16:53:51 GMT -8
Ryan, I'm not sure what the heck you are talking about. In my first sentence I said that I understand that the Padres wanted to trade him. That was clear from last year. I'm saying that was nit a Big reason for their collapse like you gave stayed. I say it was injuries. I've said that in multiple posts. Where does the density lie? Because you refuse to admit that the Hosmer situation directly led to the collapse in the second half and think I'm making it up for some unknown reason.. What you seem to not be able to separate is that there are multiple factors at play, injuries being one of them...but it's all connected. Not being able to pull off the Hosmer deal, hurting his feelings (per Acee) = Not being able to make the necessary moves to bolster the staff = Unhappy clubhouse = Utter collapse. The players were adamant and angry that the team didn't pull off the moves for more pitching depth at the deadline, but they simply couldn't do it for the prices that were being asked, especially in the wake of being stuck with Hosmer on the roster. Paddack goes down within hours of the deadline, Snell and Darvish miss starts, Lamet's a non-factor, Clevinger's already out...it all plays a part. But to say that the Hosmer rumors and subsequent fallout didn't influence a bad situation is just simply not true. What I've stated is that you're overblowing the impact the Hosmer non trade had in the clubhouse. You capitalized BIG when you said it was the BIG reason. The BIG reason we're the injuries, and that was obvious. Topping it off was the Machado-Tatis beef.
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Mar 26, 2022 19:15:07 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 26, 2022 19:15:07 GMT -8
Because you refuse to admit that the Hosmer situation directly led to the collapse in the second half and think I'm making it up for some unknown reason.. What you seem to not be able to separate is that there are multiple factors at play, injuries being one of them...but it's all connected. Not being able to pull off the Hosmer deal, hurting his feelings (per Acee) = Not being able to make the necessary moves to bolster the staff = Unhappy clubhouse = Utter collapse. The players were adamant and angry that the team didn't pull off the moves for more pitching depth at the deadline, but they simply couldn't do it for the prices that were being asked, especially in the wake of being stuck with Hosmer on the roster. Paddack goes down within hours of the deadline, Snell and Darvish miss starts, Lamet's a non-factor, Clevinger's already out...it all plays a part. But to say that the Hosmer rumors and subsequent fallout didn't influence a bad situation is just simply not true. What I've stated is that you're overblowing the impact the Hosmer non trade had in the clubhouse. You capitalized BIG when you said it was the BIG reason. The BIG reason we're the injuries, and that was obvious. Topping it off was the Machado-Tatis beef. Think what you want - I showed you the proof. Up to you to believe it.
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Mar 26, 2022 20:19:55 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 26, 2022 20:19:55 GMT -8
What I've stated is that you're overblowing the impact the Hosmer non trade had in the clubhouse. You capitalized BIG when you said it was the BIG reason. The BIG reason we're the injuries, and that was obvious. Topping it off was the Machado-Tatis beef. Think what you want - I showed you the proof. Up to you to believe it. Very weak proof. None that says his situation was a BIG reason for their collapse. It was something that happened, but it absolutely was not the BIG reason for their collapse as you stated. Injuries were the BIG reason. Starters were injured, and then some of the replacements were injured. That is a no brainer. Of course, someone who dislikes Hosmer can TRY and pump it up, but most aren't that dumb to bite on it. It's such a big time reach.
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Mar 27, 2022 7:40:16 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 27, 2022 7:40:16 GMT -8
Think what you want - I showed you the proof. Up to you to believe it. Very weak proof. None that says his situation was a BIG reason for their collapse. It was something that happened, but it absolutely was not the BIG reason for their collapse as you stated. Injuries were the BIG reason. Starters were injured, and then some of the replacements were injured. That is a no brainer. Of course, someone who dislikes Hosmer can TRY and pump it up, but most aren't that dumb to bite on it. It's such a big time reach. You're so utterly predictable. My opinion of Hosmer is irrelevant. It was an absolute major factor in their collapse. Listen to the guy who covers the team in the video - Then get back to me. Again, intentional density when confronted with the truth serves no purpose. Arguing semantics doesn't, either. Ditto that of being a Hosmer apologist when someone just needs to look at his previous history. Saying "Kansas City would be different" is a slap in the face to the team paying him a record deal to produce nothing.
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Mar 27, 2022 7:47:30 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 27, 2022 7:47:30 GMT -8
In actual C.J. Abrams news, Dennis Lin stated that Abrams has a shot "better than 50%" to make the opening day roster.
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Mar 27, 2022 8:24:00 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 27, 2022 8:24:00 GMT -8
Very weak proof. None that says his situation was a BIG reason for their collapse. It was something that happened, but it absolutely was not the BIG reason for their collapse as you stated. Injuries were the BIG reason. Starters were injured, and then some of the replacements were injured. That is a no brainer. Of course, someone who dislikes Hosmer can TRY and pump it up, but most aren't that dumb to bite on it. It's such a big time reach. You're so utterly predictable. My opinion of Hosmer is irrelevant. It was an absolute major factor in their collapse. Listen to the guy who covers the team in the video - Then get back to me. Again, intentional density when confronted with the truth serves no purpose. Arguing semantics doesn't, either. Ditto that of being a Hosmer apologist when someone just needs to look at his previous history. Saying "Kansas City would be different" is a slap in the face to the team paying him a record deal to produce nothing. What's so utterly predictable is you hyping up the notion that Hosmer had A LOT to do with the collapse. You making it more so than the injury factor is the intentional density here. Get real. I was hoping they'd trade Hosmer, since it would benefit the TEAM. He obviously underperformed, and I'm always for an upgrade at ANY position, let's make that clear. But, I don't like it when you, or anyone else goes out of their way to make a situation concerning someone worse than it actually is, because of personal dislike. It's obvious Ryan, you need to own up to that.
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Mar 27, 2022 9:54:23 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 27, 2022 9:54:23 GMT -8
So let's see, Hosmer handled it like a professional, and players didn't want to see him go. Ok. That's what I got out of that interview. Of course, at times, players are going to be upset when they hear their name in trade rumors, etc.... It happens all the time.
Hosmer, himself, wasn't an a'hole in the locker room. It sounds like players weren't happy with management. That's not on HOSMER. He handled it like a professional. Ok.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 27, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -8
You're so utterly predictable. My opinion of Hosmer is irrelevant. It was an absolute major factor in their collapse. Listen to the guy who covers the team in the video - Then get back to me. Again, intentional density when confronted with the truth serves no purpose. Arguing semantics doesn't, either. Ditto that of being a Hosmer apologist when someone just needs to look at his previous history. Saying "Kansas City would be different" is a slap in the face to the team paying him a record deal to produce nothing. What's so utterly predictable is you hyping up the notion that Hosmer had A LOT to do with the collapse. You making it more so than the injury factor is the intentional density here. Get real. I was hoping they'd trade Hosmer, since it would benefit the TEAM. He obviously underperformed, and I'm always for an upgrade at ANY position, let's make that clear. But, I don't like it when you, or anyone else goes out of their way to make a situation concerning someone worse than it actually is, because of personal dislike. It's obvious Ryan, you need to own up to that. If you don't have any idea, it's probably best to just not say anything at all.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:22:48 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 27, 2022 10:22:48 GMT -8
What's so utterly predictable is you hyping up the notion that Hosmer had A LOT to do with the collapse. You making it more so than the injury factor is the intentional density here. Get real. I was hoping they'd trade Hosmer, since it would benefit the TEAM. He obviously underperformed, and I'm always for an upgrade at ANY position, let's make that clear. But, I don't like it when you, or anyone else goes out of their way to make a situation concerning someone worse than it actually is, because of personal dislike. It's obvious Ryan, you need to own up to that. If you don't have any idea, it's probably best to just not say anything at all. Since I do have an idea, I'll speak up to refute nonsense, every day.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:27:44 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 27, 2022 10:27:44 GMT -8
So let's see, Hosmer handled it like a professional, and players didn't want to see him go. Ok. That's what I got out of that interview. Of course, at times, players are going to be upset when they hear their name in trade rumors, etc.... It happens all the time. Hosmer, himself, wasn't an a'hole in the locker room. It sounds like players weren't happy with management. That's not on HOSMER. He handled it like a professional. Ok. You're being intentionally obtuse. "His feelings were hurt" - A professional would understand that making $20M a season has expectations attached to it, when you're a face of the franchise. Their feelings wouldn't be hurt, they would admit their failures and own it. The same guy you were lauding as a waste and were happy to see go, Tommy Pham? When being interviewed in late September about the team's collapse and what happened - "I didn't play well enough." THAT is what a leader does. If I hate Hosmer so much, you're on the unbelievably ludicrous other side of the spectrum for reasons I still can't figure out.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:30:13 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Mar 27, 2022 10:30:13 GMT -8
If you don't have any idea, it's probably best to just not say anything at all. Since I do have an idea, I'll speak up to refute nonsense, every day. Truth isn't nonsense, unfortunately. And the truth is that the first baseman for the team let his personal feelings about being traded fester in the clubhouse and it affected the team. Period.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:35:35 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 27, 2022 10:35:35 GMT -8
So let's see, Hosmer handled it like a professional, and players didn't want to see him go. Ok. That's what I got out of that interview. Of course, at times, players are going to be upset when they hear their name in trade rumors, etc.... It happens all the time. Hosmer, himself, wasn't an a'hole in the locker room. It sounds like players weren't happy with management. That's not on HOSMER. He handled it like a professional. Ok. You're being intentionally obtuse. "His feelings were hurt" - A professional would understand that making $20M a season has expectations attached to it, when you're a face of the franchise. Their feelings wouldn't be hurt, they would admit their failures and own it. The same guy you were lauding as a waste and were happy to see go, Tommy Pham? When being interviewed in late September about the team's collapse and what happened - "I didn't play well enough." THAT is what a leader does. If I hate Hosmer so much, you're on the unbelievably luxurious other side of the spectrum for reasons I still can't figure out. Of course he should have expected to be traded, and own his failures. That is not my issue. I'm saying that what happened in his case was not a BIG reason for the collapse. You're trying to make it so. That's my issue with you. Separate your personal feelings about him, if you possibly can, and get real about it. That's what professionals in their field do. It was about the injuries, mainly.
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Mar 27, 2022 10:37:30 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 27, 2022 10:37:30 GMT -8
Since I do have an idea, I'll speak up to refute nonsense, every day. Truth isn't nonsense, unfortunately. And the truth is that the first baseman for the team let his personal feelings about being traded fester in the clubhouse and it affected the team. Period. It didn't affect the TEAM, it affected him, personally, and the team sided with him. The injuries affected the team.
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