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Post by johneaztec on Sept 30, 2021 21:36:28 GMT -8
He should have had it.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 30, 2021 21:38:58 GMT -8
Nope. He just couldn't handle a throw from Kim. Just curious. Was it in the dirt and didn't pick it? It was. It was a play that any first baseman should make (Trea Turner was the batter). He didn't. 3 runs scored after that missed play. That would have been the first out of the inning. The next batter (Muncy) grounded out. It should have been 2 outs with no one on at that point.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 0:05:36 GMT -8
Just curious. Was it in the dirt and didn't pick it? It was. It was a play that any first baseman should make (Trea Turner was the batter). He didn't. 3 runs scored after that missed play. That would have been the first out of the inning. The next batter (Muncy) grounded out. It should have been 2 outs with no one on at that point. if it's not the third out, I'm always hesitant to say that if someone go that out such and such wouldn't have happened, for a variety of reasons. But, I do agree he should have made that play.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 1, 2021 7:20:20 GMT -8
It was. It was a play that any first baseman should make (Trea Turner was the batter). He didn't. 3 runs scored after that missed play. That would have been the first out of the inning. The next batter (Muncy) grounded out. It should have been 2 outs with no one on at that point. if it's not the third out, I'm always hesitant to say that if someone go that out such and such wouldn't have happened, for a variety of reasons. But, I do agree he should have made that play. And for another variety of reasons, such and such could have happened. Different pitch selection, different defensive alignment, etc.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 8:40:46 GMT -8
if it's not the third out, I'm always hesitant to say that if someone go that out such and such wouldn't have happened, for a variety of reasons. But, I do agree he should have made that play. And for another variety of reasons, such and such could have happened. Different pitch selection, different defensive alignment, etc. Exactly.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 9:00:31 GMT -8
And for another variety of reasons, such and such could have happened. Different pitch selection, different defensive alignment, etc. Exactly. Bottom line is it's a play that needs to be made and he's got to go. Won't be easy, unfortunately.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2021 10:03:07 GMT -8
Kevin Acee is such a Hosmer shill it's ridiculous. He loves talking up Hosmer's batting average over the last few months, ignoring his awful slugging percentage and awful defense.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 10:58:28 GMT -8
Bottom line is it's a play that needs to be made and he's got to go. Won't be easy, unfortunately. Absolutely need an upgrade there. That's never been in question.
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Post by docmm on Oct 1, 2021 13:54:28 GMT -8
I'm assuming that if Hosmer goes, Cronenworth would move over to 1B permanently. He's so good defensively there already, I could see him eventually developing into a kind of a Keith Hernandez-Lite kind of guy: great D, 20-25 HRs and 80-100 RBI.
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Post by junior on Oct 1, 2021 17:59:14 GMT -8
Hosmer is just the tip of a very deep iceberg…
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 18:21:57 GMT -8
Hosmer is just the tip of a very deep iceberg… He's looked at as the clubhouse leader and the team folded, in some part, due to his name being shopped at the deadline. He's a very polarizing figure because of his lack of desire to improve and the fact he's basically worthless on the field, as he fails to make another pick at first base...Is he the only problem? Of course not. But a championship level team can't have two negative WAR players playing regularly.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2021 23:01:52 GMT -8
I'm assuming that if Hosmer goes, Cronenworth would move over to 1B permanently. He's so good defensively there already, I could see him eventually developing into a kind of a Keith Hernandez-Lite kind of guy: great D, 20-25 HRs and 80-100 RBI. I'd prefer that he only move there until we get a high WAR power hitting first baseman, so that we can have a high WAR at both 1B and 2B. Frazier is alright but doesn't hit for power. We have him for another year. Frazier's bat is replaceable with Myers/Pham's... same level ops last year. Frazier can play LF too... if you can't tell my preference is to get a power hitting first basemen over a power hitting corner outfielder. Or maybe after Fraziers last year we get the high WAR player at first. We certainly have plenty of help coming from our farm system in right and center field...
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 2, 2021 0:00:30 GMT -8
Honestly though, we really don't 'need' to sign a big bat this off-season.
Cronenworth, Frazier, Tatis, Machado, Kim backup, Profar backup is a legit infield with no holes.
Myers, Grisham, FA resign (Pham or OGrady), Profar. So Ideally we sign a CF that is better then Marsinik was for us bc Grisham has durability issues and Abrams might not be ready next year. I wouldn't mind giving O'Grady opportunity and more playing time in left
At catcher, it's gotta be time for Campusano to step up to the major league level.
Really we just need our pitching to not fall apart next year. We could make no changes other then Hosmer and resign everyone and win 100 games next year. Our rotation should be that good if its healthy. We do need Grisham and Nola to stay healthy. Catcher and center field are our teams biggest positional weakness when it comes to depth (no I'm not including Hosmer on our teams 1B chart for next season) and it bit us hard this season.
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Post by junior on Oct 2, 2021 8:58:58 GMT -8
What is AJP's WAR?
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 2, 2021 11:29:40 GMT -8
Idk, but Tingler has to be -4 At Least
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Post by junior on Oct 2, 2021 12:09:01 GMT -8
Idk, but Tingler has to be -4 At Least If the allegations in the Atlantic article are true, then this mess (micromanagement, ridding himself of anyone who's not ultimate a "yes" man) ultimately falls on AJP. If Tingler doesn't have the baseballs to stand his ground, then he's just a patsy. Now, reports are coming out that Tingler's been relieved, but the front office says that such reports are "premature". LOFL He appears to be in the dugout for the start of today's meaningless game…
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Post by docmm on Oct 2, 2021 15:15:42 GMT -8
2 on, 2 out top of the 9th tie game 2-2. Hosmer pinch hits and strikes out on a pitch outside and in the dirt. He doesn't even make an attempt to run to 1B when the catcher missed it. I really, REALLY hope he's gone next year.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 2, 2021 15:59:11 GMT -8
Honestly though, we really don't 'need' to sign a big bat this off-season. Cronenworth, Frazier, Tatis, Machado, Kim backup, Profar backup is a legit infield with no holes. Myers, Grisham, FA resign (Pham or OGrady), Profar. So Ideally we sign a CF that is better then Marsinik was for us bc Grisham has durability issues and Abrams might not be ready next year. I wouldn't mind giving O'Grady opportunity and more playing time in left At catcher, it's gotta be time for Campusano to step up to the major league level. Really we just need our pitching to not fall apart next year. We could make no changes other then Hosmer and resign everyone and win 100 games next year. Our rotation should be that good if its healthy. We do need Grisham and Nola to stay healthy. Catcher and center field are our teams biggest positional weakness when it comes to depth (no I'm not including Hosmer on our teams 1B chart for next season) and it bit us hard this season. Absolutely need a big bat. There's no slugging percentage on this team outside of Tatis and Machado.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 2, 2021 18:03:17 GMT -8
Honestly though, we really don't 'need' to sign a big bat this off-season. Cronenworth, Frazier, Tatis, Machado, Kim backup, Profar backup is a legit infield with no holes. Myers, Grisham, FA resign (Pham or OGrady), Profar. So Ideally we sign a CF that is better then Marsinik was for us bc Grisham has durability issues and Abrams might not be ready next year. I wouldn't mind giving O'Grady opportunity and more playing time in left At catcher, it's gotta be time for Campusano to step up to the major league level. Really we just need our pitching to not fall apart next year. We could make no changes other then Hosmer and resign everyone and win 100 games next year. Our rotation should be that good if its healthy. We do need Grisham and Nola to stay healthy. Catcher and center field are our teams biggest positional weakness when it comes to depth (no I'm not including Hosmer on our teams 1B chart for next season) and it bit us hard this season. Absolutely need a big bat. There's no slugging percentage on this team outside of Tatis and Machado. Cronenworth has good slugging numbers as well. My point though is that a lot of position players regressed this year. If we ran it back next year with the exact same group, our slugging numbers would be better. Myers would be better. Pham would be better. Grisham would be better. Honestly, I think O'Grady would do better as well if he had more regular opportunities. Dude mashed in AAA. Even with our offense being mediocre this year, we would have made the playoffs if our pitching staff had held up. IMO this was also the clear negative of the Frazier trade. He didn't provide what the team needed - slugging - and Kim's defense is worth just as much WAR as Frazier's bat.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 3, 2021 8:41:08 GMT -8
Absolutely need a big bat. There's no slugging percentage on this team outside of Tatis and Machado. Cronenworth has good slugging numbers as well. My point though is that a lot of position players regressed this year. If we ran it back next year with the exact same group, our slugging numbers would be better. Myers would be better. Pham would be better. Grisham would be better. Honestly, I think O'Grady would do better as well if he had more regular opportunities. Dude mashed in AAA. Even with our offense being mediocre this year, we would have made the playoffs if our pitching staff had held up. IMO this was also the clear negative of the Frazier trade. He didn't provide what the team needed - slugging - and Kim's defense is worth just as much WAR as Frazier's bat. There's nothing to indicate that slugging would be better next year. All of the underlying metrics are really, really subpar. The offense hit under .200 as a team for more than a full month, in large part because they don't make enough hard contact in the air. Frazier's fine.
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