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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2021 16:22:06 GMT -8
It's not Hosmer's fault he signed the contract, but what happened afterwards is on him. The distraction statements, the lack of wanting to improve on a consistent basis, the failure to buy in to the team philosophy. It's ironic that Dave Cameron was hired by the Padres as he was one of the most vocal opponents of the original deal. I'll go by what his teammates say about him, and what type of clubhouse guy he is. Are you saying he was a distraction to the team that resulted in losses? Are you saying he's not a team guy? I don't believe that for a minute, based on what I've heard. What's the significance behind hiring Cameron in terms of Hosmer? What's the correlation? The truth is you don't know what his teammates say about him other than what you're fed by Kevin Acee, who is the single most delusional person when it comes to Hosmer on Earth, as he is the clubhouse source for most of what Acee writes. (Just take a cursory glance of his Twitter, it's blatant) - That stuff stays mostly internal in an organization that prides itself on being tight-lipped. I'm saying there's a reason why a team would offer up 75% of the remaining money with four years of control remaining and throwing in the Padres #2 prospect to boot to make him go away. That's not a mirage. Dave Cameron was the head writer for FanGraphs. He took a job with the Padres when they opened their analytics department and expanded it. He was extremely vocal how the contract for Hosmer was a miserable and awful financial decision. He was hired a few weeks before the Hosmer signing came down. January 2018.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 30, 2021 16:50:52 GMT -8
I'll go by what his teammates say about him, and what type of clubhouse guy he is. Are you saying he was a distraction to the team that resulted in losses? Are you saying he's not a team guy? I don't believe that for a minute, based on what I've heard. What's the significance behind hiring Cameron in terms of Hosmer? What's the correlation? The truth is you don't know what his teammates say about him other than what you're fed by Kevin Acee, who is the single most delusional person when it comes to Hosmer on Earth, as he is the clubhouse source for most of what Acee writes. (Just take a cursory glance of his Twitter, it's blatant) - That stuff stays mostly internal in an organization that prides itself on being tight-lipped. I'm saying there's a reason why a team would offer up 75% of the remaining money with four years of control remaining and throwing in the Padres #2 prospect to boot to make him go away. That's not a mirage. Dave Cameron was the head writer for FanGraphs. He took a job with the Padres when they opened their analytics department and expanded it. He was extremely vocal how the contract for Hosmer was a miserable and awful financial decision. He was hired a few weeks before the Hosmer signing came down. January 2018. I completely understand why they would want to unload his contract. I agree it's a bad contract. There's no debating that. You just seemed to insinuate he wasn't a good teammate. Do you have knowledge that teammates don't like him, and he's a bad teammate? If you don't, then I wouldn't insinuate that he is. Those are pretty damning statements you made about him in your post.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 30, 2021 20:02:26 GMT -8
The truth is you don't know what his teammates say about him other than what you're fed by Kevin Acee, who is the single most delusional person when it comes to Hosmer on Earth, as he is the clubhouse source for most of what Acee writes. (Just take a cursory glance of his Twitter, it's blatant) - That stuff stays mostly internal in an organization that prides itself on being tight-lipped. I'm saying there's a reason why a team would offer up 75% of the remaining money with four years of control remaining and throwing in the Padres #2 prospect to boot to make him go away. That's not a mirage. Dave Cameron was the head writer for FanGraphs. He took a job with the Padres when they opened their analytics department and expanded it. He was extremely vocal how the contract for Hosmer was a miserable and awful financial decision. He was hired a few weeks before the Hosmer signing came down. January 2018. I completely understand why they would want to unload his contract. I agree it's a bad contract. There's no debating that. You just seemed to insinuate he wasn't a good teammate. Do you have knowledge that teammates don't like him, and he's a bad teammate? If you don't, then I wouldn't insinuate that he is. Those are pretty damning statements you made about him in your post. I really don't care about clubhouse prestige or popularity - Padres have that in spades with Machado, Stammen, etc. It's basically what Fowler coveted and it's never gone away, even after he stepped away. All I know is that he has had years to change his approach, but he's always gone back to Florida to train with his brother because he's comfortable with where he's at, by his own admission. That's the definition of a bad teammate, for me. Putting your own level of comfort over the good of the team, esssntially. It would be different if there was literally anything to positively take away, but there's nothing concrete. No launch angle, no barrels, no approach. He's never stuck with actual changes to elevate/lift and the results are a bitter cycle of ground balls which suppress his underlying numbers and make him a negative value.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2021 13:11:11 GMT -8
Hassell promoted to Fort Wayne this morning after a monster game last night. A little later than I personally expected, but well deserved. Kid's going to be a star.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 1, 2021 19:07:47 GMT -8
Hassell promoted to Fort Wayne this morning after a monster game last night. A little later than I personally expected, but well deserved. Kid's going to be a star. Three, yes, three home runs for Hassell tonight in just his third game in High-A.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 11:27:01 GMT -8
Thrilled that the Rangers didn't take the offer for Gallo that included Hassell.
----"That makes 61 strikeouts versus 16 hits in his time with the Yankees. Gallo delivered a big homer Saturday, but that's his only hit in his seven games. He's at .130/.291/.325 in 35 games for his new team, so the Yankees might want to give him a day or two off. Yahoo Sports"
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 7, 2021 11:58:23 GMT -8
Thrilled that the Rangers didn't take the offer for Gallo that included Hassell. ----"That makes 61 strikeouts versus 16 hits in his time with the Yankees. Gallo delivered a big homer Saturday, but that's his only hit in his seven games. He's at .130/.291/.325 in 35 games for his new team, so the Yankees might want to give him a day or two off. Yahoo Sports" The MLB guys were talking about him and Reynolds pointed out that in Texas' line-up he was the targeted hitter - the guy they didn't want to beat you, so he often got pitched around in tight games which significantly impacted his OBP. On the Yankees he's the one they go after, which is a) why he's not being walked, and b) given he's seeing more tougher pitches, his weaknesses are being exposed. Personally I had no interest in Gallo from day 1, no matter who we had to give up, but if it had anything to do with Hassell then it's a no brainer. He's the Yankees problem. I'll take Frazier, even at .225 or whatever he's hitting for us.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 7, 2021 13:33:38 GMT -8
Thrilled that the Rangers didn't take the offer for Gallo that included Hassell. ----"That makes 61 strikeouts versus 16 hits in his time with the Yankees. Gallo delivered a big homer Saturday, but that's his only hit in his seven games. He's at .130/.291/.325 in 35 games for his new team, so the Yankees might want to give him a day or two off. Yahoo Sports" I still think Gallo's a good player, but the reality is when these guys get traded it's often not a seamless transition to hit the ground running.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 7, 2021 20:13:01 GMT -8
It definitely feels like it's an easier transition for pitchers to make then position players
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 5:41:43 GMT -8
I like Gallo too, but there was no scenario where I wanted to move Hassell for him. Personally, I wouldn't have moved Hassell for any package that we saw out there, with the exception of Scherzer/Turner.
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 8, 2021 9:02:59 GMT -8
I would have moved Campusano for him, not Hassell or Abrams. I'm glad we didn't get him.
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Post by sdsuball on Apr 26, 2022 17:27:33 GMT -8
Hassell is slashing .397/.455/.638 with four home runs, 15 RBI and eight stolen bases through 15 games with High-A Fort Wayne. 1.092 OPS
I think that he might have a higher ceiling then initially thought...
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 26, 2022 17:56:01 GMT -8
Hassell is slashing .397/.455/.638 with four home runs, 15 RBI and eight stolen bases through 15 games with High-A Fort Wayne. 1.092 OPS I think that he might have a higher ceiling then initially thought... Not particularly. He's a great pure hitter, but before the recent two homer game, he only had two extra base hits on the season. The power output is going to determine his ultimate ceiling.
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Post by junior on Apr 27, 2022 16:58:03 GMT -8
There is certainly plenty of ceiling if one considers the current state of the Padres' outfield … and Hassell is part of the future of that outfield. Can't say that should be this year, and hopefully his development progresses at a continuous rate rather than some of the ups and downs that often come as some players progress through the system.
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Post by survalli on Apr 28, 2022 10:58:05 GMT -8
Hassell is slashing .397/.455/.638 with four home runs, 15 RBI and eight stolen bases through 15 games with High-A Fort Wayne. 1.092 OPS I think that he might have a higher ceiling then initially thought... Not particularly. He's a great pure hitter, but before the recent two homer game, he only had two extra base hits on the season. The power output is going to determine his ultimate ceiling. if he is like France, then he is good enough to be an everyday ball player.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2022 11:58:27 GMT -8
Not particularly. He's a great pure hitter, but before the recent two homer game, he only had two extra base hits on the season. The power output is going to determine his ultimate ceiling. if he is like France, then he is good enough to be an everyday ball player. I don't get the comparison.
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Post by survalli on Apr 28, 2022 12:28:11 GMT -8
if he is like France, then he is good enough to be an everyday ball player. I don't get the comparison. France was known to be an excellent hitter, his power was his question mark. If Hassell is late developing power that is fine with me if he can hit for average.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2022 13:07:07 GMT -8
I don't get the comparison. France was known to be an excellent hitter, his power was his question mark. If Hassell is late developing power that is fine with me if he can hit for average. He was a 34th round pick who didn't put up dominant numbers in the minors until he hit El Paso, which is a hitter's paradise. I think Seattle's done great work in unlocking some of his skills. Credit to them.
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