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Post by standiego on Mar 19, 2020 12:51:42 GMT -8
WSU did not want Malachi to leave . Also Sitting out a year did not hurt Malachi's career . Yanni was a Grad Transfer - who saw that Vandy with a new coach was bringing in numerous other recruits .He had been a reserve .
Do think as Dutcher and other coaches have said it is very likely to help the Blue Bloods most - could use the mid majors as training grounds
Also difficult to start recruiting over again in April - if you lose a player or two for the up coming season .
Would hope that the coaches use -as of today - the last scholarship on a player for the 5/4 position unless Malachi has told Dutcher chances are strong that he will leave - even then maybe first look at Grad Transfer guard .
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Post by docmm on Mar 19, 2020 15:04:30 GMT -8
The problem I see with the transfer rule is that every unknown or 2-3 star recruit that turns into a good player at a mid-major school will be swept up to the P5 schools. And every 4-5 star that flames out at a P5 school will come a calling to the mid-majors. The rich will just get richer. Thanks NCAA, you worthless parasites! Considering mal and yani where P5 “flameouts”, I would disagree. Plus, they have open transfers in volleyball. USD and Hawaii are perennial top 20 teams Generally speaking the haves will get way more up and coming players from the mid-majors that were overlooked in recruiting or undercoated in HS. Generally speaking the have nots will get P5 kids that aren't getting enough playing time or are homesick. And volleyball players aren't trying to be on ESPN so NBA scouts can see them so they don't have to be in a P5 conference. And most volleyball players also play beach volleyball, ergo: USD and Hawaii.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 24, 2020 14:32:33 GMT -8
The problem I see with the transfer rule is that every unknown or 2-3 star recruit that turns into a good player at a mid-major school will be swept up to the P5 schools. And every 4-5 star that flames out at a P5 school will come a calling to the mid-majors. The rich will just get richer. Thanks NCAA, you worthless parasites! Considering mal and yani where P5 “flameouts”, I would disagree. Plus, they have open transfers in volleyball. USD and Hawaii are perennial top 20 teams I hope that was a joke, because factually you can't be any further from the truth. I do agree with you to some degree on the transfer issue though. They have open transfers in all but the major sports & they do seem to work, but I do think there is a rich get richer & poor get poorer thing going on. I don't think it's P6 vs. Mid-Major though, but instead I think the good Mid-Majors will benefit & the bad will be hurt, and the same at the P6 level. WSU lost Flynn because the program is bad; he could have gone to his pick of P6's elsewhere if he wanted. If he had played at a winning program, whether a P6 or a good Mid-Major like us/Zags, etc., it's doubtful he ever would have left. Bad P6's & bad MM's may be used as training programs to get attention, so the morale of the story is to invest in your program so people don't want to leave. The issue is not everyone can afford to do so, at least relative to their immediate comp. Thus the gap.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Mar 24, 2020 15:39:00 GMT -8
Considering mal and yani where P5 “flameouts”, I would disagree. Plus, they have open transfers in volleyball. USD and Hawaii are perennial top 20 teams I hope that was a joke, because factually you can't be any further from the truth. I do agree with you to some degree on the transfer issue though. They have open transfers in all but the major sports & they do seem to work, but I do think there is a rich get richer & poor get poorer thing going on. I don't think it's P6 vs. Mid-Major though, but instead I think the good Mid-Majors will benefit & the bad will be hurt, and the same at the P6 level. WSU lost Flynn because the program is bad; he could have gone to his pick of P6's elsewhere if he wanted. If he had played at a winning program, whether a P6 or a good Mid-Major like us/Zags, etc., it's doubtful he ever would have left. Bad P6's & bad MM's may be used as training programs to get attention, so the morale of the story is to invest in your program so people don't want to leave. The issue is not everyone can afford to do so, at least relative to their immediate comp. Thus the gap. I agree. Good mid majors will make out well with open transfers, that’s why I don’t think it will hurt us. We may lose the occasional zylans, but we will come out on top more than it will hurt us
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Post by standiego on Mar 24, 2020 22:50:02 GMT -8
Maybe we start or restart a Post on the Probable New Transfer Rule in the regular section
Do think that the best transfers will be going to the better P6 schools - will be the same story rich get richer either from the lower rated P6 schools or from the other mid major type schools -
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Post by fisherville on Mar 25, 2020 11:04:36 GMT -8
To Washington
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 25, 2020 11:37:39 GMT -8
Not a surprise, and IMO not a loss. Seems like a locker room cancer with a helicopter dad.
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Post by Gundo on Mar 25, 2020 13:11:53 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Mar 25, 2020 14:11:37 GMT -8
Time to close this down
then move back to talking about a guy that can play the 5/4 position
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Post by fisherville on Mar 25, 2020 14:25:17 GMT -8
Not a surprise, and IMO not a loss. Seems like a locker room cancer with a helicopter dad. I’ll disagree I know about the dad and the Facebook stuff but there is a reason he’s one of like 7+ players to transfer out of Wichita
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Post by standiego on Mar 25, 2020 15:13:25 GMT -8
as he said he is heading back home to the state of Washington
think Nevada added one of the other guys leaving the Shockers
So we should close this down - plus go back to talking about possible transfers that play the 5/4 position
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Post by docmm on Mar 25, 2020 17:08:48 GMT -8
Greg Marshall, the Wichita State coach said stuff that sounded like Stevenson was doing really well early in the season but then when he got less minutes, he started to press more and seemed to lose his confidence. Marshall said he blew it with recruiting in that he had a whole lot of kids that deserved to start or at least play a lot of minutes and when he tried to spread the minutes around, a lot of the kids got frustrated.
He said he should have recruited a "team" instead of a lot of really good players who came in all at one time. He thought he needed to be more of a psychologist this year instead of a coach. The kids who ended up playing a lot of minutes mostly stayed.
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Post by mc08066 on Mar 25, 2020 20:24:22 GMT -8
Hey I wish the kid the best especially since he is going home to play. I was a little surprised we were recruiting him especially if he were going to sit a year. With the potential change in rules he may have been able to play. Anyways Back to recruiting a 4 or 5. Hell stay with the guards we have and recruit two post players.
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Post by sdcoug on Mar 26, 2020 11:21:42 GMT -8
Greg Marshall, the Wichita State coach said stuff that sounded like Stevenson was doing really well early in the season but then when he got less minutes, he started to press more and seemed to lose his confidence. Marshall said he blew it with recruiting in that he had a whole lot of kids that deserved to start or at least play a lot of minutes and when he tried to spread the minutes around, a lot of the kids got frustrated. He said he should have recruited a "team" instead of a lot of really good players who came in all at one time. He thought he needed to be more of a psychologist this year instead of a coach. The kids who ended up playing a lot of minutes mostly stayed. 2 of the guys were end of the bench guys, so expected. 1 - Udeze, played limited minutes as well (9-10) so also not a surprise. I agree, Marshall recruited talent vs. teammates, and Stevenson appeared to be the cancer that drove a lot of the dissension, although Sherfield also showed poor body language, enough to earn a suspension. Burton was apparently annoyed that he had to play off the ball vs. being the full-time PG according to some reports. Another big issue is they were too young - only 2 upper classmen in the rotation. Nobody to lead - the children were running the nursery. Too many guys who thought they should be playing 30+ minutes & getting 25% of the shots & not enough Feagin's & Seiko's. I doubt Marshall makes that mistake again. Dutch has always said he thinks 13 scholarships is too many, part of the reason they tend to leave 1 open (plus possibility of a late signee/midyear transfer). There are always 2-3 who don't get as much PT as they should. It's amazing how few players have transferred out of our program over the years, especially considering the average every year is something like 2.3 per team.
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Post by standiego on Mar 26, 2020 11:33:22 GMT -8
think Alford who tried to recruit Sherfield to UCLA has him now transferring to Nevada-
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