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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 17, 2020 9:53:41 GMT -8
In my opinion the team handled this situation poorly from the outset. If Nathan doesn’t want the medical info public then so be it, but for the team to go for 3 weeks with no acknowledgement of how long he might be out (or just saying they don’t know right now and are still determining it) is of course going to lead to speculation and questions in a season where he’s a star player on a national title contender. I'll start out by saying I have no idea what I'm talking about (to save anybody else from having to say it). Is there a possibility that the "witholding" was done intentionally to keep opponents in the dark? I have no idea if, or what, the obligations are regarding disclosure of injuries by college athletic programs. I know that that sort of thing goes on in the Pros all the time to keep other teams guessing. I could see a lot of coaches doing that, especially in football or baseball where they're always trying to play mind games with each other. But I just don't see it here. The fact of the matter is that pulmonary embolisms are very serious and the timeline for recovery varies from a couple months to a full year. So I'm sure initially the player and coaches were just as much in the dark about the prognosis and expected recovery time as everyone else.
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Post by sdmotohead on Jan 17, 2020 10:08:16 GMT -8
I think the logical reason for asking about Mensah's "condition" from a fan's point of view is this:
Mensah is not playing ---> what's wrong? ---> respiratory condition ---> What's the DX (having a dx will give us an idea of how long he'll be out) ---> He'll see a specialist (3 weeks of seeing specialists) ---> Update ----> Crickets ---> Speculation ---> Silly infighting on Aztec Mesa ---> Finally an article on his condition and time table of returning/not returning ---> End of Mensah talk.
The main reason people wanted to know what was wrong with him was not to gossip or "be in his business" but to get an idea of how long he'd be out. As a starter on the team that's a legit reason to ask. You can site HIPPA and all that cr@p as much as you want (although HIPAA governs the DOCTORS/INS Co behavior of sharing/leaking info and NOT reporters just fyi). The reality is people just wanted to know how long he would be expected to out of action and to make sure he was ok as you have to admit it came out of the blue. Now that we know we can move on and wish him a speedy recovery while knowing he will sorely be missed as an inside presence and rim protector.
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Post by missiontrails on Jan 17, 2020 10:18:27 GMT -8
I think the logical reason for asking about Mensah's "condition" from a fan's point of view is this: Mensah is not playing ---> what's wrong? ---> respiratory condition ---> What's the DX (having a dx will give us an idea of how long he'll be out) ---> He'll see a specialist (3 weeks of seeing specialists) ---> Update ----> Crickets ---> Speculation ---> Silly infighting on Aztec Mesa ---> Finally an article on his condition and time table of returning/not returning ---> End of Mensah talk. The main reason people wanted to know what was wrong with him was not to gossip or "be in his business" but to get an idea of how long he'd be out. As a starter on the team that's a legit reason to ask. You can site HIPPA and all that cr@p as much as you want (although HIPAA governs the DOCTORS/INS Co behavior of sharing/leaking info and NOT reporters just fyi). The reality is people just wanted to know how long he would be expected to out of action and to make sure he was ok as you have to admit it came out of the blue. Now that we know we can move on and wish him a speedy recovery while knowing he will sorely be missed as an inside pressence and rim protector. The epitome of a level-headed, reasoned post. Thanks for this. Also, what the hell is wrong with you? This is AztecMesa!!
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Post by zollner on Jan 17, 2020 10:19:42 GMT -8
Someone on the original thread said they had a source and was blasted because he shared the info. In the article today, Ziegler said he has sources and discussed what is believed to be the medical issue. He is writing about it without the players approval as well since Mensah declined to comment. Are the people that were saying how wrong and rude and disrespectful and so offended that an athletes health is being discussed emailing and commenting to Ziegler onTwitter how inappropriate and insensitive it is for him to speculate? Or is it ok cuz it’s his job? We all want Nathan to get healthy as soon an possible. His health is more important than basketball. Thanks for the support, I was the original poster about N. Mensah's blood clot and was crucified by other board members mainly Hoops Coordinator,legkick and... AztecForlife2006starter. Funny how a newspaper reporter can write a article about an athlete's medical condition and none of these turds say anything. Hey Ziegler didn't violate Mensah's privacy or HIPPA laws? Your silence speaks volumes about your hypocrisy. Here is to a speedy recovery for N. Mensah. Mod's Note - Namecalling and hostility are against forum rules. Egregious comments edited out.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 17, 2020 10:51:53 GMT -8
Thanks for the support, I was the original poster about N. Mensah's blood clot and was crucified by other board members mainly Hoops Coordinator,legkick and the little turd AztecForlife2006starter. Funny how a newspaper reporter can write a article about an athlete's medical condition and none of these turds say anything. Hey turds Ziegler didn't violate Mensah's privacy or HIPPA laws? Your silence speaks volumes about your hypocrisy. As I said originally to your attacks "stick it". Here is to a speedy recovery for N. Mensah. Did you have Nate's permission to disclose his medical condition? No, you did not. Did Ziegler have Nate's and the team's permission to disclose his medical condition and other information about his situation? Given the ramifications of his role covering the team... I have to believe that the answer is yes, Ziegler did get clearance from Nate. Further, do you really think Dutcher would have offered comments for the story, or talked about Nate's medical issues on the radio, unless HE had permission from Nate? If you can't understand the difference, then I don't know how to explain it to you.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 17, 2020 11:00:23 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Again, the question wasn't about his specific medical condition, but about the likelihood that he will return to play this season. Season ticket holders, and fans in general, DO have a right to know what's going on with the team and it's players. That's standard operating procedure at the D1 level and above. They don't need to divulge a specific medical condition to say, "3 weeks," or, "Questionable for the rest of the season."
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jan 17, 2020 11:09:07 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Get off your high horse. Nobody has even speculated on what is actual condition is on this thread, people are just wondering if he is going to play again this season. That is a fair question. It's not really different than someone suffering a gruesome looking knee injury during a game and people wondering if maybe he tore his ACL and will be out 9 months. In fact, every player who suffers an injury has had more details released about him than Nathan has at this point. We know Joel Mensah has a sore back right now, right? We know Arop had off season hip surgery, and we know Arop injured his shoulder last month, right?? It's bizarre that Nathan's condition has been kept so secret by the team, and this board for some reason freaks out if someone wonders why. At a minimum, the team should at least state if he is out for the season or if there is a chance he could return. The details can come out at a later time. When would he or has he ever gotten off his high horse? Probably won’t start in this thread.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Jan 17, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Again, the question wasn't about his specific medical condition, but about the likelihood that he will return to play this season. Season ticket holders, and fans in general, DO have a right to know what's going on with the team and it's players. That's standard operating procedure at the D1 level and above. They don't need to divulge a specific medical condition to say, "3 weeks," or, "Questionable for the rest of the season." If we back out of custom, I don’t see the logical basis for this belief that fans have a right to know anything. I’m curious what the argument is.
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Post by azson on Jan 17, 2020 11:18:36 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Again, the question wasn't about his specific medical condition, but about the likelihood that he will return to play this season. Season ticket holders, and fans in general, DO have a right to know what's going on with the team and it's players. That's standard operating procedure at the D1 level and above. They don't need to divulge a specific medical condition to say, "3 weeks," or, "Questionable for the rest of the season." Yes, the title of the thread was would he play again this season, however the thread once again went down the same rabbit hole as the previous. Furthermore, if you feel as you post above, why did you lock the previous one?
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jan 17, 2020 11:18:47 GMT -8
It's time to move on at the 5 spot for this season and start Narain alongside Wetzell -- build up Nolan's minutes before March rolls around. Mensah's health is the only priority right now. Great idea ... And Joel geared up too. We are not near the team without Nathan, our sparking record aside. When I saw our team live full force (with Nate) vs Utah at Staples Center... we aren’t quite that same squad without. Doesn’t matter in conference, but it will matter at some point. If Coach can develop NN and JM to see what he has, to get Yanni back to the 4, to hopefully strengthen our rebounding ... there were be many games to do this... it’s our best chance for a deep, DEEP run in March. Hopefully Nate back 100% next season with Malachi, Matt, Jordan, and company. Something else great to look forward to
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jan 17, 2020 11:24:53 GMT -8
Someone on the original thread said they had a source and was blasted because he shared the info. In the article today, Ziegler said he has sources and discussed what is believed to be the medical issue. He is writing about it without the players approval as well since Mensah declined to comment. Are the people that were saying how wrong and rude and disrespectful and so offended that an athletes health is being discussed emailing and commenting to Ziegler onTwitter how inappropriate and insensitive it is for him to speculate? Or is it ok cuz it’s his job? We all want Nathan to get healthy as soon an possible. His health is more important than basketball. Thanks for the support, I was the original poster about N. Mensah's blood clot and was crucified by other board members mainly Hoops Coordinator,legkick and... AztecForlife2006starter. Funny how a newspaper reporter can write a article about an athlete's medical condition and none of these turds say anything. Hey Ziegler didn't violate Mensah's privacy or HIPPA laws? Your silence speaks volumes about your hypocrisy. Here is to a speedy recovery for N. Mensah. Mod's Note - Namecalling and hostility are against forum rules. Egregious comments edited out. Those that you were attacked by specialize in that. It’s seemingly their favorite thing to do. I’d wish they’d go find another team to root for or start they’re own “special” website where only they post. I’d happily pass on that Appreciate post by you here, thanks.
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Post by zollner on Jan 17, 2020 11:38:27 GMT -8
Thanks for the support, I was the original poster about N. Mensah's blood clot and was crucified by other board members mainly Hoops Coordinator,legkick and the little turd AztecForlife2006starter. Funny how a newspaper reporter can write a article about an athlete's medical condition and none of these turds say anything. Hey turds Ziegler didn't violate Mensah's privacy or HIPPA laws? Your silence speaks volumes about your hypocrisy. As I said originally to your attacks "stick it". Here is to a speedy recovery for N. Mensah. Did you have Nate's permission to disclose his medical condition? No, you did not. Did Ziegler have Nate's and the team's permission to disclose his medical condition and other information about his situation? Given the ramifications of his role covering the team... I have to believe that the answer is yes, Ziegler did get clearance from Nate. Further, do you really think Dutcher would have offered comments for the story, or talked about Nate's medical issues on the radio, unless HE had permission from Nate? If you can't understand the difference, then I don't know how to explain it to you. Who the f are you to explain anything to me? You are the ethics and HIPPA czar? You are simply another anonymous poster on this board. YOU HAVE DILLISION OF GRANDER THAT YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ARE ABOVE ANY OTHER ANONYMOUS POSTERS ON THIS BOARD. Is that because you have a lot of posts or just your ego? Just to clarify and athlete who gets injured due to the sport he/she plays in front of thousands of people that injury and it's cause is fair game to report on for both the general public and the media. How do you know Ziegler had Nate's permission? Were you there and witnessed it? If you did witness it prove it. Or just more of your Holier then thou speculation. Don't let your brain write checks that your ass can't cover. I never said anything about Dutcher. Read the post again genius.
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 17, 2020 11:46:35 GMT -8
I feel bad for Nathan missing the bulk of this awesome season. Hope he is able to get well and take the court before we win the Nattie.
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Post by 12414 on Jan 17, 2020 11:53:46 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Have you ever considered writing a parenting book?
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Post by survalli on Jan 17, 2020 12:01:33 GMT -8
I see that the grossly unethical behavior that got a prior thread locked has reared its ugly head again. Nathan Mensah's medical condition is private and if you were too obtuse to understand this previously, it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR on Dutch's show tonight. When Nathan decides to make it public is his business alone, not yours. Until then, take your demonstrated lack of ethics, decency, empathy and class off this board and delete your posts. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Have you ever considered writing a parenting book? Parents dont talk to kids like that anymore. ok boomer?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 17, 2020 12:16:51 GMT -8
Again, the question wasn't about his specific medical condition, but about the likelihood that he will return to play this season. Season ticket holders, and fans in general, DO have a right to know what's going on with the team and it's players. That's standard operating procedure at the D1 level and above. They don't need to divulge a specific medical condition to say, "3 weeks," or, "Questionable for the rest of the season." Yes, the title of the thread was would he play again this season, however the thread once again went down the same rabbit hole as the previous. Furthermore, if you feel as you post above, why did you lock the previous one? Because people can't behave like adults and resorted to namecalling and other insults. It was the easiest way to deal with the problem when I was away from home and only had a couple minutes to deal with it on my phone.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 17, 2020 12:25:27 GMT -8
Who the f are you to explain anything to me? You are the ethics and HIPPA czar? You are simply another anonymous poster on this board. YOU HAVE DILLISION delusions OF GRANDER grandeur THAT YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ARE ABOVE ANY OTHER ANONYMOUS POSTERS ON THIS BOARD. Is that because you have a lot of posts or just your ego? Definitely because of my ego, but also for my general intelligence and analytic capability, thanks for noticing.
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Post by obboy13 on Jan 17, 2020 12:25:46 GMT -8
We don't even need to know the actual condition, people just want to know if he has a chance to play again this season. They should at least be able to tell us that. "You can't always get what you want." - M. Jagger
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Post by fisherville on Jan 17, 2020 12:38:24 GMT -8
Most important is for Nathan to get healthy and living a normal life. Not your personal enjoyment.
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Post by standiego on Jan 17, 2020 13:00:53 GMT -8
Nathan has told people at SDSU that he does not want to talk about his condition
Dutcher has said with the Medical Privacy Laws-that he will not discuss the medical issues other then it is respiratory issue . Would also think he would also like to have Nathan's trust in handling the medical situation . Would guess that a player would like to know that your coach has your back . As Dutcher has also said he will go by what the medical people tell Nathan and him how things should be handled and when Nathan wants to reveal the details
Yes we Aztec fans love information about the guys we cheer for . But maybe we give Aztec players some time and space for MEDICAL issues . Not become TMZ or other type of magazine followers the think that we need to know everything and every minute .
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