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Jan 2, 2020 21:53:29 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 2, 2020 21:53:29 GMT -8
Any of you mouthbreathing Trump dipshts want to defend this? Full disclosure I’ve been flying all day and haven’t seen what your talking points are yet, but I’d love to hear them.
P.S. hope your kids are the ones that get drafted first.
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Jan 2, 2020 22:34:47 GMT -8
Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 2, 2020 22:34:47 GMT -8
P.S. hope your kids are the ones that get drafted first. You are hoping that kids get killed if those kids are in families whose parents voted for a different Presidential candidate than the one you voted for? Well aren’t you a delight.
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Jan 2, 2020 23:04:08 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 2, 2020 23:04:08 GMT -8
P.S. hope your kids are the ones that get drafted first. You are hoping that kids get killed if those kids are in families whose parents voted for a different Presidential candidate than the one you voted for? Well aren’t you a delight. Nah something like 98% of the people who voted, voted for someone different than I. To clarify for you - I hope anyone who supports another war feels the impacts of that war first and most. God-willing it’s ONLY them, but we know the world doesn’t work that way.
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Jan 3, 2020 1:03:08 GMT -8
Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 3, 2020 1:03:08 GMT -8
I hope anyone who supports another war feels the impacts of that war first and most. God-willing it’s ONLY them How about we just not wish harm on people? I genuinely do not see how anyone with half a working brain looks at this exchange and sees looming war. I’m sure the news media will play up the idea because war is great for ratings, but this is the opposite of war. Iran conducted a military operation to attack the US Embassy in Baghdad. The US Army had armed helicopters on-site within minutes. The Embassy is American soil and by all rights the helicopters could have easily began mowing down the conspicuously all-male, all-military-age “protesters” using the helicopter-mounted Gatling guns, but they didn’t. Instead they made enough of a show of force to get the “protesters” to melt away back into Baghdad, secured the perimeter of the Embassy, located the Iranian military commanders there on-site in Baghdad who had orchestrated the Embassy attack and killed them before they could sneak out of Baghdad. There was no strike on Iranian territory. We didn’t mow down “protesters”. There was just an Iranian Quds Force unit who tried a direct attack on a US Embassy in Iraq and died in the attempt. This isn’t the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, but it may be a Darwin Award nominee.
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Jan 3, 2020 1:25:11 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 3, 2020 1:25:11 GMT -8
I hope anyone who supports another war feels the impacts of that war first and most. God-willing it’s ONLY them How about we just not wish harm on people? Absolutely, let's hope not a single additional drop of blood is shed. Acting like it won't is childish, and refusing to admit some deserve that loss of blood more than others isn't something I'm willing to do. Somebody wants a war? Great, send your kids (since you're obviously too old to go yourself). Don't send my brothers, cousins, and friends. The cost of a pointless war should be paid by those that want the war, period.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 3, 2020 9:20:23 GMT -8
refusing to admit some deserve that loss of blood more than others isn't something I'm willing to do. Obviously. I just find it troubling that when you look around for those you think deserve loss of blood, your gaze settles on fellow San Diego State Alum and their kids. Somebody wants a war? Great, send your kids (since you're obviously too old to go yourself). So if somebody someplace wants a war, then you want the government to take my 7-year old First Grader and ship him off just because you and I disagree politically. Bless your heart. The cost of a pointless war should be paid by those that want the war, period. The only one who appears to be pushing the idea of a pointless war here is you. The warmonger is you. If you’d like to talk the geopolitics of the situation, I’m happy to. I can go into depth to explain my opinion that this isn’t the escalation the Chicken Little Left yearns for it to be, or that Iran yearns for it to be. There isn’t going to be a war with Iran, and the idea of a Vietnam-style draft being instituted over this is moronic. We can talk the Iranian political climate, the east-west pipeline the John Kerry led State Department pushed Saudi Arabia to upgrade so the Iranians couldn’t shut down Ras Tanura, and the Houthi being financed by Iran to take out that upgraded pipeline. The moves and counter-moves of the region are fascinating, but I have no interest in discussing it with you if your sole purpose is to justify your wish for harm to befall your fellow Aztecs Mesa posters and their families.
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Jan 3, 2020 12:53:56 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 3, 2020 12:53:56 GMT -8
refusing to admit some deserve that loss of blood more than others isn't something I'm willing to do. Obviously. I just find it troubling that when you look around for those you think deserve loss of blood, your gaze settles on fellow San Diego State Alum and their kids. Somebody wants a war? Great, send your kids (since you're obviously too old to go yourself). So if somebody someplace wants a war, then you want the government to take my 7-year old First Grader and ship him off just because you and I disagree politically. Bless your heart. The cost of a pointless war should be paid by those that want the war, period. The only one who appears to be pushing the idea of a pointless war here is you. The warmonger is you. If you’d like to talk the geopolitics of the situation, I’m happy to. I can go into depth to explain my opinion that this isn’t the escalation the Chicken Little Left yearns for it to be, or that Iran yearns for it to be. There isn’t going to be a war with Iran, and the idea of a Vietnam-style draft being instituted over this is moronic. We can talk the Iranian political climate, the east-west pipeline the John Kerry led State Department pushed Saudi Arabia to upgrade so the Iranians couldn’t shut down Ras Tanura, and the Houthi being financed by Iran to take out that upgraded pipeline. The moves and counter-moves of the region are fascinating, but I have no interest in discussing it with you if your sole purpose is to justify your wish for harm to befall your fellow Aztecs Mesa posters and their families. My gaze didn’t settle on anyone other than those who would support and promote another meaningless war. If those folks happened to attend the same school I did, so be it. And it’s only family members because those who will support a war are too old to fight it themselves. Show me your enlistment papers and I’m fine with you supporting whatever war you want. Lemme know when you are getting deployed and I’ll be happy to listen to why you want to go. Outside of that, if you support war, send your own kids, not anyone else’s. Older, whiter America is completely fine sending poorer, younger, less-white kids to kill and be killed, and it needs to stop. Who said anything about a 7-year old getting drafted? SS registration is at 18. And in the order of those who should be shipped out first, typing out my list would put me on a watch list. I only support your of-age children being drafted if you support war - do you? Do you support it enough to send your own blood in to harms way? Or just other folks children? I don’t care about Fox “geopolitical” talking points here. I don’t care about Lindsay Graham carrying out John McCains dying wishes. I don’t care about Nancy Pelosi writing Trump a blank check to do exactly this. We should not be in the ME. This all fizzles out? Great! In the meantime, check Lockheed stock, oil prices, and deployments.
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Jan 3, 2020 14:04:13 GMT -8
Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 3, 2020 14:04:13 GMT -8
My gaze didn’t settle on anyone other than those who would support and promote another meaningless war. You are on Aztecs Mesa and you are the lone voice talking up “another meaningless war”. There isn’t anyone else. Just you. it’s only family members because those who will support a war are too old to fight it themselves. Naturally, because age groups are a monolith incapable of independent thought. Older, whiter America is completely fine sending poorer, younger, less-white kids to kill and be killed And now we’re on to racist stereotypes. You’re killing it today azteccc. I don’t suppose you have any polling data to pretend your racism has any basis in reality, do you? typing out my list would put me on a watch list. We definitely wouldn’t want the military-industrial complex, big oil, Nancy Pelosi, and John McCain’s ghost to put you on a watch list. I can see why you are concerned. I only support your of-age children being drafted if you support war - do you? Do you support it enough to send your own blood in to harms way? Or just other folks children? Who are you talking to? Are you talking generally about Social Contract Theory, or about the imaginary draft for the imaginary war in Iran you’ve created in your head that is being championed by Aztec Mesa posters only you can see? I mean this in the nicest way possible; I hope you are completely plowed in bar someplace waiting for chicken nachos, tacos, or deep fried appetizers as you’re typing. I don’t care about Fox “geopolitical” talking points here. Right, right. I can see you’re going with the no knowledge approach. I hope your day gets better, and worry not. I’ll make sure those evil Aztec Mesa supporters who were working with Lindsay Graham and Lockheed to bring about this apocalypse don’t send their secret police after the family you are so clearly worried about. You can count on me.
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Jan 3, 2020 14:42:02 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jan 3, 2020 14:42:02 GMT -8
My gaze didn’t settle on anyone other than those who would support and promote another meaningless war. You are on Aztecs Mesa and you are the lone voice talking up “another meaningless war”. There isn’t anyone else. Just you. it’s only family members because those who will support a war are too old to fight it themselves. Naturally, because age groups are a monolith incapable of independent thought. Older, whiter America is completely fine sending poorer, younger, less-white kids to kill and be killed And now we’re on to racist stereotypes. You’re killing it today azteccc. I don’t suppose you have any polling data to pretend your racism has any basis in reality, do you? typing out my list would put me on a watch list. We definitely wouldn’t want the military-industrial complex, big oil, Nancy Pelosi, and John McCain’s ghost to put you on a watch list. I can see why you are concerned. I only support your of-age children being drafted if you support war - do you? Do you support it enough to send your own blood in to harms way? Or just other folks children? Who are you talking to? Are you talking generally about Social Contract Theory, or about the imaginary draft for the imaginary war in Iran you’ve created in your head that is being championed by Aztec Mesa posters only you can see? I mean this in the nicest way possible; I hope you are completely plowed in bar someplace waiting for chicken nachos, tacos, or deep fried appetizers as you’re typing. I don’t care about Fox “geopolitical” talking points here. Right, right. I can see you’re going with the no knowledge approach. I hope your day gets better, and worry not. I’ll make sure those evil Aztec Mesa supporters who were working with Lindsay Graham and Lockheed to bring about this apocalypse don’t send their secret police after the family you are so clearly worried about. You can count on me. Look, if no one pipes up and we’re all in agreement that we are the bad guys here, that’s awesome! That’s part of why Trump got elected - Hillary the Hawk, Donald the Dove. I would be ecstatic if the right wingers that populate this forum stay true to their conservative values. We have a mod who has claimed for a decade to be a libertarian - I eagerly wait his agreement that war with Iran is off the table. But from your early parroting of right wing talking points with a shiny faux-intellectual exterior, I promise that the usual suspects here will say, in fact, that this was a good thing and that an act of war against another sovereign ME country is nothing to be worried about. Their party has wanted war with Iran for the last twenty-plus years - you’re not willing to deny that are you? That would again be childish. You should calm down a bit while typing - I don’t think you meant to ask whether I had poll data to pretend my racism is based in reality. But I’ll assume you meant to ask about whether my statement of fact about those who would be first up to kill and be killed was true. Yes, just check out stats for enlisted active duty and compare to the population - should be easy enough for you. You are really going to sit there and claim the children of the wealthy white are sent to war? You think soldiers are representative demographically? Lol, come on, man. I asked you if you would support a war against Iran. And if so, would you send yourself and/or your own blood into that fight, or would you only be willing to send your neighbor’s blood. Easy question. But overall I think I agree with you - Trump supporters up to this point should have the dignity to oppose the endless war doctrine he is now edging towards. I mean, you’re responding? And it sounds like the propaganda is working on you - both in terms of the scope of our act of war, as well as the reasoning. I hope it doesn’t work as well on others, but I doubt that very much. I have been and probably still am much closer to some of these decision-makers than you’ve ever been, so if you want to chalk up my concerns to drunk at a bar, so be it - I actually understand that, it helps you process, de-escalate what is happening in front of your own face, and sleep at night. I hope you’re right about this being nothing, but I also hope you wake up. I hope you support our troops by not supporting those who would send them to their death for no reason.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:39:06 GMT -8
Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 3, 2020 17:39:06 GMT -8
Look, if no one pipes up and we’re all in agreement that we are the bad guys here, that’s awesome! Make your Mama sad type, make your girlfriend mad type, might seduce your Dad type? I have no idea what you consider to be a bad guy, but I’m guessing that I’ll think your idea is naïve. Their party has wanted war with Iran for the last twenty-plus years - you’re not willing to deny that are you? Has anyone ever pointed out that you view the world in monoliths? To you it is as if individuals do not exist. Everything is a group action. White men think X. Age group thinks X. Political party thinks X. Everybody in your world goes in neat little boxes. I’m not really going anywhere with that observation but I bet I can guess in a very broad sense of how you’d like to see an economy structured. Could be Karl. Could be Sorel. Could be someone else but I’m thinking it is in there somewhere. I asked you if you would support a war against Iran. I don’t. We have them mostly in a box and the Guardian Council has maybe 20 years of oxygen left if they’re lucky. We just need to wait while they suffocate and thwart any attempt to get out of the box. And if so, would you send yourself and/or your own blood into that fight, or would you only be willing to send your neighbor’s blood. Easy question. …an easy question based on a false premise. I don’t support a war in Iran. I mean, you’re responding? And it sounds like the propaganda is working on you And it sounds like your echo chamber is working on you. It is going to be okay. Take a breath, and I do commend you for being willing to talk to “the other side”. Many with your views do not, and instead retreat permanently to be among the like-minded.
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Jan 4, 2020 13:33:18 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 13:33:18 GMT -8
Al-O-meter just absolutely owned that jackass Azteccc.
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Jan 5, 2020 14:45:10 GMT -8
Post by azteccc on Jan 5, 2020 14:45:10 GMT -8
Al-O-meter just absolutely owned that jackass Azteccc. Totally. Dude's a clown.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:58:32 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2020 16:58:32 GMT -8
Man, I sure am glad Trump got rid of the "swamp" and replaced them with Elmer Fudd and the 3 stooges.
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