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Post by aztecryan on Dec 7, 2019 8:48:06 GMT -8
The stats have nothing to do with it : Trammell is built like a free safety. Edwards is 5'10 and maybe 175 pounds....maybe. His swing is geared towards contact. He has one home run in his minor league career across three levels. As mentioned, totally different players. You don't need to hit home runs if you are a leadoff hitter and have a high OBP and steal a lot of bases. That's what Edwards will be. Maybe this trade helps us in the next year or two, but I think we will be regretting it 5 years from now. Trammell can't even hit .250 at this point, btw. He needs to step up his game, quickly. The Padres are in win now mode. They might lose this trade in 2025, but I think they will take the tradeoff in 2020 for a guy who hasn't reached AA and has very weak exit velocities.
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Post by azman on Dec 7, 2019 10:20:40 GMT -8
You don't need to hit home runs if you are a leadoff hitter and have a high OBP and steal a lot of bases. That's what Edwards will be. Maybe this trade helps us in the next year or two, but I think we will be regretting it 5 years from now. Trammell can't even hit .250 at this point, btw. He needs to step up his game, quickly. The Padres are in win now mode. They might lose this trade in 2025, but I think they will take the tradeoff in 2020 for a guy who hasn't reached AA and has very weak exit velocities. Agreed, but now word has come out that Pham had elbow issues last year? This trade is even more of a risk with that information.
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Post by azteca on Dec 7, 2019 10:34:36 GMT -8
The Padres are in win now mode. They might lose this trade in 2025, but I think they will take the tradeoff in 2020 for a guy who hasn't reached AA and has very weak exit velocities. Agreed, but now word has come out that Pham had elbow issues last year? This trade is even more of a risk with that information. Was thinking the same thing.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 7, 2019 18:05:08 GMT -8
Agreed, but now word has come out that Pham had elbow issues last year? This trade is even more of a risk with that information. Was thinking the same thing. They have language in the deal that protects the Padres if he doesn't clear the second physical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 7:44:49 GMT -8
So Trammel (with the inferior by far ML stats) is correctable, but not X. Gotcha. makes alot of sense. One of them is hitting .328 to date, and one of them has been in the low .200's. Hmmm. "Edwards is an athletic middle infielder with excellent bat-to-ball skills who is a favorite among evaluators. In July, ESPN's Keith Law ranked him as the Padres' No. 5 prospect and the No. 46 prospect in all of baseball." www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28237328/rays-blake-snell-strongly-reacts-tommy-pham-trade-twitchThe stats have nothing to do with it : Trammell is built like a free safety. Edwards is 5'10 and maybe 175 pounds....maybe. His swing is geared towards contact. He has one home run in his minor league career across three levels. As mentioned, totally different players. I'm sure they are. Unless I mis-read it, when posters were questioning Trammels poor stats at the time of trade, you basically seemed to insinuate that the Padres coaches down there and player development would be able to fix it, change his swing plane, launch angle, etc. So it seems now you're saying that while X can certainly swing the bat, you're just not a fan of his lack of pop and exit velocity and you don't think the staff & coaches can fix that. Is that it? Sorry, I'm not dense- just seemed confusing. Being built like a free safety won't help him much if he can't fix his mechanics, I am sure you agree.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2019 9:20:34 GMT -8
The stats have nothing to do with it : Trammell is built like a free safety. Edwards is 5'10 and maybe 175 pounds....maybe. His swing is geared towards contact. He has one home run in his minor league career across three levels. As mentioned, totally different players. I'm sure they are. Unless I mis-read it, when posters were questioning Trammels poor stats at the time of trade, you basically seemed to insinuate that the Padres coaches down there and player development would be able to fix it, change his swing plane, launch angle, etc. So it seems now you're saying that while X can certainly swing the bat, you're just not a fan of his lack of pop and exit velocity and you don't think the staff & coaches can fix that. Is that it? Sorry, I'm not dense- just seemed confusing. Being built like a free safety won't help him much if he can't fix his mechanics, I am sure you agree. Correct. Trammell has always been lauded for having raw power, he is another one of the two sport athletes coming out of high school that sometimes take longer to translate. Edwards just doesn't have the frame to project much power at all, which I think limits his ceiling at this point. I do think he still has upside, but he was a guy I projected to be the top prospect the Padres would be willing to move.
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Post by ignoranus on Dec 9, 2019 10:04:14 GMT -8
I think that Abrams is essentially Edwards on steroids (not literally). Even faster, better hitter and has more power.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 9, 2019 16:03:59 GMT -8
If Pham were 3 years younger this would be a good deal for the Padres.
He's not, so it's not. He's already past his prime. And he hit only .248 in his last 98 games in the NL. And in 2016 he only hit .228 - he's inconsistent.
The 2020 line-up looks like a .500 team. Whoop-de-f***ing-doo!
Unless they can consistently come up with winning seasons I'm not going to be excited. Win for a year or two then suck again for 7 or 8 years. No. Thank. You.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 9, 2019 16:45:12 GMT -8
Renfroe could also become another JD Martinez, he’s 27......right about the same age JD started finding his all star caliber form. Renfroe was having a great 1st half last year, a fully heathy 2nd half would have yielded a 45 hr 100 rbi season.
So, in a league which has become HR dominated, Preller has traded his top two power hitters (75 combined hr) for Pham and “will be ready for MLB in 2021”. This could be the last year of his inept franchise juggling.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2019 16:53:22 GMT -8
If Pham were 3 years younger this would be a good deal for the Padres. He's not, so it's not. He's already past his prime. And he hit only .248 in his last 98 games in the NL. And in 2016 he only hit .228 - he's inconsistent. The 2020 line-up looks like a .500 team. Whoop-de-f***ing-doo! Unless they can consistently come up with winning seasons I'm not going to be excited. Win for a year or two then suck again for 7 or 8 years. No. Thank. You. This is alarmingly awful.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2019 17:00:03 GMT -8
Renfroe could also become another JD Martinez, he’s 27......right about the same age JD started finding his all star caliber form. Renfroe was having a great 1st half last year, a fully heathy 2nd half would have yielded a 45 hr 100 rbi season. So, in a league which has become HR dominated, Preller has traded his top two power hitters (75 combined hr) for Pham and “will be ready for MLB in 2021”. This could be the last year of his inept franchise juggling. The league has not become "home run dominant"....it became "juiced ball dominant." Take away the home runs from Renfroe and Reyes. What carrying tool are you left with? J.D. in his 27 year old season hit .282 with a .344 OBP. He's also a DH, but that's another argument entirely. The Padres do not need 30 home run guys who strike out 30% of the time. It doesn't work, and the numbers reflect it. You can't hit .230 as a team and win, no matter how many home runs you hit.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 9, 2019 17:14:15 GMT -8
Reports circulating that the Padres have held up completion of the deal over concerns for Pham's elbow. Still would expect it to get done.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 9, 2019 17:58:00 GMT -8
Reports circulating that the Padres have held up completion of the deal over concerns for Pham's elbow. Still would expect it to get done. Oh, Good God. Who was the player they got from the Dodgers several years ago who turned out to have a permanent injury that significantly impacted his career? (Matt Kemp??) I really hope that if there is ANY significant injury that they cancel this deal. Pham is too old to take that kind of risk.
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 9, 2019 18:54:58 GMT -8
Renfroe could also become another JD Martinez, he’s 27......right about the same age JD started finding his all star caliber form. Renfroe was having a great 1st half last year, a fully heathy 2nd half would have yielded a 45 hr 100 rbi season. So, in a league which has become HR dominated, Preller has traded his top two power hitters (75 combined hr) for Pham and “will be ready for MLB in 2021”. This could be the last year of his inept franchise juggling. The league has not become "home run dominant"....it became "juiced ball dominant." Take away the home runs from Renfroe and Reyes. What carrying tool are you left with? J.D. in his 27 year old season hit .282 with a .344 OBP. He's also a DH, but that's another argument entirely. The Padres do not need 30 home run guys who strike out 30% of the time. It doesn't work, and the numbers reflect it. You can't hit .230 as a team and win, no matter how many home runs you hit. Of course the league has become home run dominate, the numbers speak for themselves. Power hitters have the mentality of swinging for the fences and don’t worry about the BA dipping below .230, kind of the Adam Dunn/Chris Carter mindset. Because pitching staffs and bullpens have become more specialized and increasingly effective, the offensive philosophy has shifted to selling out for power, the instant offense of the HR. That’s why HR records in part were obliterated last season. That’s also why SB’s and team BA’s dipped dramatically as well. It is going to take a game alteration (wider strike zone, higher mound, softer ball, spit ball) to even things out, if baseball truly desires this. Right now pitching is the premium driver in the salary market, guys who can throw sub 3.00 ERAs and keep the WHIP under 1.1 are earning a whopping 1 million dollars per start.!! Absurd and probably unsustainable. The Padres are going a different direction. Maybe they are ahead of the curveball. Preller is putting together a 1980’s type lineup, more emphasis on OBP and speed, fewer home runs. It is conceivable the HR binge was just a statistic spike and that the all or nothing approach will crap out this year due to the return of the outside strike or better yet the spit ball.🤤
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Post by azman on Dec 9, 2019 19:26:20 GMT -8
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Post by azman on Dec 9, 2019 19:27:38 GMT -8
The league has not become "home run dominant"....it became "juiced ball dominant." Take away the home runs from Renfroe and Reyes. What carrying tool are you left with? J.D. in his 27 year old season hit .282 with a .344 OBP. He's also a DH, but that's another argument entirely. The Padres do not need 30 home run guys who strike out 30% of the time. It doesn't work, and the numbers reflect it. You can't hit .230 as a team and win, no matter how many home runs you hit. Of course the league has become home run dominate, the numbers speak for themselves. Power hitters have the mentality of swinging for the fences and don’t worry about the BA dipping below .230, kind of the Adam Dunn/Chris Carter mindset. Because pitching staffs and bullpens have become more specialized and increasingly effective, the offensive philosophy has shifted to selling out for power, the instant offense of the HR. That’s why HR records in part were obliterated last season. That’s also why SB’s and team BA’s dipped dramatically as well. It is going to take a game alteration (wider strike zone, higher mound, softer ball, spit ball) to even things out, if baseball truly desires this. Right now pitching is the premium driver in the salary market, guys who can throw sub 3.00 ERAs and keep the WHIP under 1.1 are earning a whopping 1 million dollars per start.!! Absurd and probably unsustainable. The Padres are going a different direction. Maybe they are ahead of the curveball. Preller is putting together a 1980’s type lineup, more emphasis on OBP and speed, fewer home runs. It is conceivable the HR binge was just a statistic spike and that the all or nothing approach will crap out this year due to the return of the outside strike or better yet the spit ball.🤤 If they are putting together a 1980's lineup, they should be keeping X. Edwards. I really think they are going to regret trading him, a la Trea Turner.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 9, 2019 21:05:55 GMT -8
I've been following the Padres since 1976. The last 20 years have been a disaster, especially the last 10. The system is rigged against the Padres and other mid/small market teams. It takes BETTER management for mid/small market teams to become winners (than large market teams), and ELITE management to have a mid/small market team win consistently (year after year).
Is this managment group elite? Clearly not. Is this management group better than average? They haven't been so far, and they've been there for a few years.
I'm not seeing anything from this organization (or from the league) to win me back as a fan.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 10, 2019 9:02:19 GMT -8
I've been following the Padres since 1976. The last 20 years have been a disaster, especially the last 10. The system is rigged against the Padres and other mid/small market teams. It takes BETTER management for mid/small market teams to become winners (than large market teams), and ELITE management to have a mid/small market team win consistently (year after year). Is this managment group elite? Clearly not. Is this management group better than average? They haven't been so far, and they've been there for a few years. I'm not seeing anything from this organization (or from the league) to win me back as a fan. Well, bye then.
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Post by survalli on Dec 10, 2019 11:56:35 GMT -8
make them take Myers too. or ask for another player.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 10, 2019 12:53:35 GMT -8
The trade involving Pham is complete, according to the SDUT.
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