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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 3, 2019 4:28:14 GMT -8
Frank Wilson hasn't actually been an OC though? I'll take anyone over Horton at this point. I was thinking there has to be some up and comer at the FCS level that we could hire away and still afford. There's 2 ways to approach this as a mid-major 1. Hire a young FCS guy, hoping he does well and knowing he's gone within 3 years if he does. 2. Hire a retread past the coaching arc and hope he came to work and not just collect checks in a beach town. The latter approach might be less flashy and garner more complaints but it is also a better long-term plan
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Post by hoobs on Dec 3, 2019 5:50:04 GMT -8
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Post by fowl on Dec 3, 2019 6:21:43 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you all, but Horton is going to be the OC next year. Rocky's not making a change. He has said that the offense's problems has been on execution, not scheme. That's his nice way of not throwing the players under the bus and it is the players (particularly the OL) who are the problem. We have immobile and ineffective OL and it doesn't matter what scheme you run if your OL is not effective you can't execute plays.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 3, 2019 7:30:08 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you all, but Horton is going to be the OC next year. Rocky's not making a change. He has said that the offense's problems has been on execution, not scheme. That's his nice way of not throwing the players under the bus and it is the players (particularly the OL) who are the problem. We have immobile and ineffective OL and it doesn't matter what scheme you run if your OL is not effective you can't execute plays. IF Rocky keeps Horton he will lose a lot of support. A lot.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Dec 3, 2019 7:48:35 GMT -8
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Post by Sdsu4life on Dec 3, 2019 8:06:29 GMT -8
Yeah, I don't see us getting an SEC coach, even a position coach. yeah, but he isn’t a position coach or coordinator, just a passing game coordinator... he turned down NFL position coach because he wanted to “orchestrate” an offense... Maybe he would take an OC spot for a couple years... LOL First off, no, he is not taking a massive demotion to become an OC for a G5 program. Secondly, he is a position coach. He is their WR coach. Secondly, he is co-offensive coordinator. That is what "Passing game coordinator" means. Stever Ensminger, who is near retirement, is the the other co-offensive coordinator. Ensminger is the one who makes the call, but he is a co-cordinator with Brady. They plan each weeks gameplan together. Joe Brady is not taking a demotion to become an OC of a G5 program when he already practically holds that position at the #1 program in the nation. He will either become the full OC once Ensminger one he retires, or he will take one of the numerous offers he is or will be receiving from other P5 schools to become their OC. The only way he would go down to a G5 program is to be the Head Coach. This right here is a perfect example how blind our fan base is. You act like we are on top of a mountain where every coach and player wants to come here and every coach and player would be dammed to turn down an offer to come here. We aren't as great as you think. We are a good G5 program - that's it.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Dec 3, 2019 8:08:32 GMT -8
yeah, but he isn’t a position coach or coordinator, just a passing game coordinator... he turned down NFL position coach because he wanted to “orchestrate” an offense... Maybe he would take an OC spot for a couple years... Joe Brady isn't on the table for us. He just signed a 3-year deal with LSU for $410k this year, $435k next year, and $460k in the final year with a sizable buyout. That alone is way above where we can go, but Joe Brady will likely see a LOT more. Even with the big buy out, he's on the Texas Longhorns' short list to become their next Offensive Coordinator. Joe Brady will be making $1.5 - $2 million maybe as soon as this coming year, and certainly within two years. www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_77f1d468-156c-11ea-8f58-1be7801815ad.htmlThis. Crazy to think any fan of any G5 program would actually think a Joe Brady would come DOWN to their school for an assistant position.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Dec 3, 2019 8:10:40 GMT -8
Yes, if we were to make a change, which I highly doubt - Christian Taylor would probably be someone Rocky looks at hard.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Dec 3, 2019 9:35:54 GMT -8
Everyone want a young cheap good OC coach. He has been on the SDSU staff before with Hoke and Long. USD OC/QB coach Christian Taylor. usdtoreros.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/christian-taylor/1334 Yes, if we were to make a change, which I highly doubt - Christian Taylor would probably be someone Rocky looks at hard. I would stand-up, cheer, and cut a big check if Rocky pulls that off. That said, I suspect Christian Taylor is the type of coach the Aztecs only get to rent for 1 or 2 seasons before a bigger fish takes notice.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 3, 2019 10:16:32 GMT -8
yeah, but he isn’t a position coach or coordinator, just a passing game coordinator... he turned down NFL position coach because he wanted to “orchestrate” an offense... Maybe he would take an OC spot for a couple years... LOL First off, no, he is not taking a massive demotion to become an OC for a G5 program. Secondly, he is a position coach. He is their WR coach. Secondly, he is co-offensive coordinator. That is what "Passing game coordinator" means. Stever Ensminger, who is near retirement, is the the other co-offensive coordinator. Ensminger is the one who makes the call, but he is a co-cordinator with Brady. They plan each weeks gameplan together. Joe Brady is not taking a demotion to become an OC of a G5 program when he already practically holds that position at the #1 program in the nation. He will either become the full OC once Ensminger one he retires, or he will take one of the numerous offers he is or will be receiving from other P5 schools to become their OC. The only way he would go down to a G5 program is to be the Head Coach. This right here is a perfect example how blind our fan base is. You act like we are on top of a mountain where every coach and player wants to come here and every coach and player would be dammed to turn down an offer to come here. We aren't as great as you think. We are a good G5 program - that's it. Relax brah, LSU is “working” on something for Brady... we will see First, as I noted in my first post he is likely not coming to State as he already makes more than Horton, not sure why you felt the need to attire what you did, but ok... My point is that he turned down a very high profile NFL job in order to take a position that would provide a broader position at LSU so maybe he would consider a well paying OC position... again likely not... However, he should be an example of the type of guy we are looking for...
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Post by aztecvatar on Dec 3, 2019 10:18:28 GMT -8
Chris Petersen... oh wait, this thread is only about a new offensive coordinator, but not a new head coach?
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Post by sdmotohead on Dec 3, 2019 11:31:39 GMT -8
Why not Hoke?
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 3, 2019 11:57:42 GMT -8
Just going off of the UNCC offensive efficiency data he is worth a look as they were 32nd after adjusting for schedule at Football Outsiders while ESPN FPI has them at 43rd both decent numbers...
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 3, 2019 12:01:20 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you all, but Horton is going to be the OC next year. Rocky's not making a change. He has said that the offense's problems has been on execution, not scheme. That's his nice way of not throwing the players under the bus and it is the players (particularly the OL) who are the problem. We have immobile and ineffective OL and it doesn't matter what scheme you run if your OL is not effective you can't execute plays. From what I have heard your interpretation is the exact opposite of what Rocky has said publicly and privately... He has been asked specifically if it is the players and has said that it isn’t the players it is the execution of the scheme... I could be wrong, but I think he will make a change...
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Post by wakelaunch on Dec 3, 2019 12:03:46 GMT -8
chris peterson or kevin o connell
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Dec 3, 2019 12:22:28 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you all, but Horton is going to be the OC next year. Rocky's not making a change. He has said that the offense's problems has been on execution, not scheme. That's his nice way of not throwing the players under the bus and it is the players (particularly the OL) who are the problem. We have immobile and ineffective OL and it doesn't matter what scheme you run if your OL is not effective you can't execute plays. From what I have heard your interpretation is the exact opposite of what Rocky has said publicly and privately... He has been asked specifically if it is the players and has said that it isn’t the players it is the execution of the scheme... I could be wrong, but I think he will make a change... Isn't that another way of saying it is the players? The players execute the scheme. When someone has always put blame on "execution" I've always interpreted that to mean it's on the players not successfully executing the coach's calls
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Post by Sdsu4life on Dec 3, 2019 12:34:12 GMT -8
chris peterson or kevin o connell For Head Coach? I really hope you aren't hoping for the OC spot. Kevin O'Connell is an NFL Offensive Coordinator. Why would he step down from that to be an OC for a G5 program and make a fraction of what he is making now and can potentially make by sticking in the NFL?
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Dec 3, 2019 12:42:22 GMT -8
Why would you put someone who's area of expertise during his earlier position coach/coordinator days was the defense in the position of offensive coordinator? His only coaching on the offensive side was a brief stint as OL coach early in his career, other than that, it's been exclusively DL, Linebackers, and defense in general. If we make a change, it would need to be someone well versed in offense, and particularly creating sets, schemes, and plays designed to get players open and create mismatches. Otherwise, we might not be any better off than the current situation.
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Post by fisherville on Dec 3, 2019 12:56:49 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you all, but Horton is going to be the OC next year. Rocky's not making a change. He has said that the offense's problems has been on execution, not scheme. That's his nice way of not throwing the players under the bus and it is the players (particularly the OL) who are the problem. We have immobile and ineffective OL and it doesn't matter what scheme you run if your OL is not effective you can't execute plays. Who recruited and has attempted to develop the OL?
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 3, 2019 12:58:42 GMT -8
From what I have heard your interpretation is the exact opposite of what Rocky has said publicly and privately... He has been asked specifically if it is the players and has said that it isn’t the players it is the execution of the scheme... I could be wrong, but I think he will make a change... Isn't that another way of saying it is the players? The players execute the scheme. When someone has always put blame on "execution" I've always interpreted that to mean it's on the players not successfully executing the coach's calls Fair, but I have heard him say execution and in the same set of sentences say it isn’t the players, meaning the talent is fine, but I could have misinterpreted what he said.
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