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Post by dunksalot on Dec 2, 2019 16:19:43 GMT -8
DePaul won by 15 @ IOWA and is undefeated...but not ranked...technically 34th. Technically that's worse.
I was thinking we'd be inside the top 20 but looking at the rankings there are many very good undefeated teams still in there. The good news is we aren't teed up for a letdown @ COL ST in their altitude. Historically this is where our Aztecs would lose their first. Instead, not being ranked we have that motivation in CO and then a bad San Jose State on Jordan Bulls uniforms day. Plenty of time for 3 teams in the 18-27 range to lose.
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Post by fisherville on Dec 2, 2019 16:35:54 GMT -8
I posted this elsewhere earlier, but it makes more sense here: I'll preface this by writing that I am a big Kenpom guy. I have subscribed to his site for years now, I love the data that it provides, and recognize that it is the most useful information on predicting who will win in the future, and getting an accurate measure of how good a team is. That being written, when it comes to rankings- and more importantly seeding in the tournament- WINS NEED TO MATTER!!! If you take two teams, and have them play the exact same 10 game schedule in which they play the same 5 teams twice. It is feasible for Team-A to go 10-0 and Team-B 5-5, yet team B have a far better Kenpom ranking (simply by winning big and losing close); yet Team-A should be ranked higher. Rankings need to take into account Wins and Losses; not just who is better but also who won. I feel as if many voters don't understand this about metrics. As I wrote, I am a firm believer in the metrics and Pomeroy's work- but predictive metrics shouldn't outweigh accomplishments when ranking and seeding. We’ve moved up from in the 90s to in top 40s of kenpom. They have given us plenty of credit, we are ranked that low simply because of preseason rankings which has no effect after end of January I believe |
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Post by docmm on Dec 2, 2019 17:06:38 GMT -8
Regarding the AP poll: We had 26 writers put us somewhere in their Top 25. Jack Ebling(God bless him) is a writer from Lansing MI (home of Michigan State) and he had the Aztecs at #8! ahead of Michigan State even. Everyone else had us between #18 and #25. 10 of the 26 had us at #25, including Geoff Grammar, the guy that covers New Mexico . There were 36 writers that didn't put us in their Top 25. I agree that winning the next two games should automatically move us up. collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/san-diego-state-aztecs/2019No altitude let down on Wednesday!!!!!! |
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Post by aztech on Dec 2, 2019 17:09:58 GMT -8
If we're at 10-0 after this week, then I think that's when the pollsters digest how we got there. For some reason being undefeated with double digit wins get their attention.
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Post by RB Aztec on Dec 2, 2019 18:01:07 GMT -8
The coaches and AP voters stated that they could not, in good conscience, rank the Aztecs until the deplorable offense on the football side of the house was addressed. Now that's funny. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 2, 2019 18:05:55 GMT -8
I posted this elsewhere earlier, but it makes more sense here: I'll preface this by writing that I am a big Kenpom guy. I have subscribed to his site for years now, I love the data that it provides, and recognize that it is the most useful information on predicting who will win in the future, and getting an accurate measure of how good a team is. That being written, when it comes to rankings- and more importantly seeding in the tournament- WINS NEED TO MATTER!!! If you take two teams, and have them play the exact same 10 game schedule in which they play the same 5 teams twice. It is feasible for Team-A to go 10-0 and Team-B 5-5, yet team B have a far better Kenpom ranking (simply by winning big and losing close); yet Team-A should be ranked higher. Rankings need to take into account Wins and Losses; not just who is better but also who won. I feel as if many voters don't understand this about metrics. As I wrote, I am a firm believer in the metrics and Pomeroy's work- but predictive metrics shouldn't outweigh accomplishments when ranking and seeding. We’ve moved up from in the 90s to in top 40s of kenpom. They have given us plenty of credit, we are ranked that low simply because of preseason rankings which has no effect after end of January I believe I recognize that, I was using our situation to make a general point I have against the premise of ranking teams purely on predictive metrics such as Pomeroy's. |
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Post by fisherville on Dec 2, 2019 21:11:01 GMT -8
We’ve moved up from in the 90s to in top 40s of kenpom. They have given us plenty of credit, we are ranked that low simply because of preseason rankings which has no effect after end of January I believe I recognize that, I was using our situation to make a general point I have against the premise of ranking teams purely on predictive metrics such as Pomeroy's. I think even ken himself realizes using only one metric of any kind is silly. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Dec 2, 2019 21:59:46 GMT -8
I recognize that, I was using our situation to make a general point I have against the premise of ranking teams purely on predictive metrics such as Pomeroy's. I think even ken himself realizes using only one metric of any kind is silly. Hes gone on record saying so. But ever since the committee started focusing on it i feel as if they and many in the media rely on it heavily without understanding what it is. As i stated earlier, wins have to be given credit when ranking or seeding teams |
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