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Post by SuperAztec on Dec 1, 2019 21:25:27 GMT -8
What players were not used per their skill set? What play calls were pathetic and what would you have called differently. 1) Get the ball to the TE's more 2) Bryd and Busby in the slot And then throw it to them in space spread out the D in the BOX 3) Quicker plays to WR down the sidelines to spread out the D 4) Benson with his size and speed down the side line 5) Baker sooner then later (something) 6) Brookshire change of pace/scramble/play action roll out (anything) not just Wildcat run This is just some of the things that were not done. _________________________________________________________ Things that were done that should have been improved. 1) Stop running up the backside of the OLine 2) Stop running the Wildcat with Brookshire 3) only using Bryd on the Jet Sweep 4) Having Agnew not look off his receivers 5) Letting Agnew roll only to his right 6) Running same predictable run plays, then have 3 and long. The punter did more for the offense then the play calling did! Nice work. I would have liked to see more crossing routes - seems like we throw deep outs all the time and our WR's really can't turn up the field and run. One thing I noticed and its hard to point to a specific series of plays, but it seems to me when a play works once Horton will go back to it time and time again (even though it probably won't work the 2nd and 3rd time) For example: Last night in the 3rd Qtr on a 2nd and 3, we finally ran a draw and I think Chase broke it for like 17. We ended up kicking a FG on that series. On the very next series on a similar down and distance play, I thought...mmmm Horton will ran that draw again and yep.....one yard loss. It happened all year. My guess is half the time the D had a good idea what was coming and that is another reason why we struggled. Anyone else notice this? The reason I'm not happy with 9 wins is b/c this year could have been so much more. Sure 9 wins is great compared to where we were 10 to 15 years ago, but this year could have been special. We could have been "a contender"
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Post by RiffelBooks on Dec 1, 2019 21:59:28 GMT -8
All I have to say after reading most of this thread is: Yikes!
Okay, not quite all. The dysfunction and division on this board reminds me of the sad state of our nation's politics.
Remember, we're all Aztecs here. We've just had one of the best holiday weekends we're ever going to enjoy by winning the Las Vegas Invitational in basketball and defeating BYU in football. We should be celebrating. I left my SDSU flag up for an extra day today because of how well we did.
We've won nine football games and have a chance for still another double-digit win season. That's awesome.
Do we have issues with the program? Yes. San Diegans haven't bought in. As a previous poster correctly stated: we aren't relevant at home or nationally. The offense clearly cost us a chance to go to the Cotton Bowl. The O-line is struggling, the running backs have no vision, Agnew was kind of fun to watch but had some limitations. Our schedule was paper thin, and BYU was the only win that was impressive (as much as I'm glad we beat them, UCLA stinks). Rocky can't fix them all, but it will be damn important that he does.
So we've had a good season, but there are concerns to address. It's not an either/or situation. After Saturday, Alabama is in the same boat. How about that?
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Post by campanile on Dec 1, 2019 22:06:27 GMT -8
[/quote]Third best.
A couple guys named Coryell and Gilbert rank higher.[/quote]
Rocky is the winningest head coach SDSU has had in the Div. 1 Era.
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Dec 1, 2019 22:28:28 GMT -8
So of my random thoughts. I don't think Rocky is going to fire his buddy Horton, hopefully Horton makes the decision himself. If any staff changes happen on the offensive side, I see him letting go of Morgan and possibly Schmidt. He could then put his buddy Horton back just as RB coach and associate head coach. It would allow him to hire an OC/QB coach to run the offense. I also feel he needs to get a new O line coach, as that has been the biggest area of lack of player development for me over the last 3 years. If Horton does go, he should give the associate HC position to Hoke to try and keep him on staff till he leaves and can take over.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 23:04:14 GMT -8
Rocky is the winningest head coach SDSU has had in the Div. 1 Era. That doesn't make him the best. Anyone who says that any coach other than Coryell is the best has no credibility whatsoever. You could make an argument that Rocky is a better coach than Gilbert, but I suspect you'd be in the minority on that one. But what Coryell did with this program was unprecedented. He took it from the garbage heap and turned it into an undefeated powerhouse in less than a decade. Rocky took over a winning program and maintained it. Just like Gilbert did until interference from the administration ruined the program.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Dec 1, 2019 23:25:44 GMT -8
Rocky is the winningest head coach SDSU has had in the Div. 1 Era. That doesn't make him the best. Anyone who says that any coach other than Coryell is the best has no credibility whatsoever. You could make an argument that Rocky is a better coach than Gilbert, but I suspect you'd be in the minority on that one. But what Coryell did with this program was unprecedented. He took it from the garbage heap and turned it into an undefeated powerhouse in less than a decade. Rocky took over a winning program and maintained it. Just like Gilbert did until interference from the administration ruined the program. I don't think there's any question that Coryell is the best coach SDSU has ever had, the fact that many of his wins came in "D2" (or "Small College", or whatever the hell it was called back then) notwithstanding. He was an offensive innovator of the first order and revolutionized the passing game with schemes that are still the core of the game today, both in college and the pros.
Gilbert and Rocky are similar in a lot of ways. Both were defensive gurus who fielded teams that were mind blowing on how well they throttled some otherwise high scoring offenses (Check out some of the Gilbert defenses from the 70's, both as DC and HC... 11.2ppg in 1970, 11.7 in 1973 - his first year as HC, 11.4 in 1976 - a year, incidentally, that's similar to this one with a lockdown defense and a struggling offense... ineffective and injured QB's, finally settling on Tom Craft the short pass specialist "game manager" that only scored 17.9ppg).
The difference is that after becoming HC, Gilbert was more involved with the offense, carrying most of the Coryell system forward, while Rocky focuses mainly on the defense and trusts (sometimes too much... ) his OC to run the offense. One thing they do share is that both are fans of the option offense, and deep down might actually prefer it. In fact, in '73, Gilbert did briefly dabble with the "Veer option" offense, before realizing it was a bad fit for his QB (Jesse Freitas) and quickly returned to the Coryell system.
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Post by zurac315 on Dec 1, 2019 23:46:54 GMT -8
Rocky is the winningest head coach SDSU has had in the Div. 1 Era. That doesn't make him the best. Anyone who says that any coach other than Coryell is the best has no credibility whatsoever. You could make an argument that Rocky is a better coach than Gilbert, but I suspect you'd be in the minority on that one. But what Coryell did with this program was unprecedented. He took it from the garbage heap and turned it into an undefeated powerhouse in less than a decade. Rocky took over a winning program and maintained it. Just like Gilbert did until interference from the administration ruined the program. Has anyone said Coryell wasn't the best? He's a legend and deserves to be. He took over a nightmare from Paul Governali and turned the team into a sensation. I remember those Governali years. The last years in Aztec Bowl under Coryell had people watching from rooftops behind the enclosed end of the stadium and climbing the fence for a better view. It was amazing. No comparison. Rocky has done well. We've won conference titles, beaten ranked teams, regularly beaten PAC teams and he's been named Coach of the Year twice. It's time to give him some credit.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Dec 2, 2019 0:02:04 GMT -8
Rocky Long is the greatest head coach this program has had during the Div 1 era; maybe in the entire history of the program. I remember when beating BYU would cause celebration; now apparently it’s cause for a chat room bitch festival. Rocky Long is the best thing that ever happened to SDSU football, people. Look at the record; it’s a fact. Instead of complaining; you should be fund raising for his statue at the new stadium. Third best. A couple guys named Coryell and Gilbert rank higher. Not when you consider the level of competition .
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 2, 2019 0:08:46 GMT -8
Third best. A couple guys named Coryell and Gilbert rank higher. Not when you consider the level of competition. Gilbert's Aztecs CRUSHED Bowden's Seminoles. That was a bigger win than any Rocky has gotten, and it was a one loss season. And to even hint that Coryell isn't the greatest Coach in Aztec history is absurd.
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 2, 2019 0:20:10 GMT -8
It's pretty simple. Rocky simply needs to make some coaching changes. The funny thing is, I have this feeling that Baker and Horton may have a good thing going. I bet Horton was thinking to himself, finally I get to work with a pocket passer who has an arm. Horton did pretty well with Baker. He cut him loose a bit. Credit, where credit is due. So, maybe Horton stays on as QB coach/mentor to Baker? Or if he does stay on as OC, don't be surprised if the offense is much better next year.
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Post by sdsudevil on Dec 2, 2019 4:03:24 GMT -8
It's pretty simple. Rocky simply needs to make some coaching changes. The funny thing is, I have this feeling that Baker and Horton may have a good thing going. I bet Horton was thinking to himself, finally I get to work with a pocket passer who has an arm. Horton did pretty well with Baker. He cut him loose a bit. Credit, where credit is due. So, maybe Horton stays on as QB coach/mentor to Baker? Or if he does stay on as OC, don't be surprised if the offense is much better next year. I thought Horton called a much better game on Saturday. Armchair coaches such as myself may wish for more results, but he dialed in some plays that kept the ball moving. There still is something that just kills drives. Whether it is poor line play, easy to read routes, bad run game, there is still a weight around the offenses ankles.
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:38:40 GMT -8
Rocky is the winningest head coach SDSU has had in the Div. 1 Era. That doesn't make him the best. Anyone who says that any coach other than Coryell is the best has no credibility whatsoever. You could make an argument that Rocky is a better coach than Gilbert, but I suspect you'd be in the minority on that one. But what Coryell did with this program was unprecedented. He took it from the garbage heap and turned it into an undefeated powerhouse in less than a decade. Rocky took over a winning program and maintained it. Just like Gilbert did until interference from the administration ruined the program. Funny how you correctly state what Don did for us while completely ignoring Rocky's contribution. A winning program? Dude, a single winning season with one bowl game since 1998 is NOT a "winning program." When blind people can read your bias from miles away, then you have zero credibility
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:41:55 GMT -8
It's pretty simple. Rocky simply needs to make some coaching changes. The funny thing is, I have this feeling that Baker and Horton may have a good thing going. I bet Horton was thinking to himself, finally I get to work with a pocket passer who has an arm. Horton did pretty well with Baker. He cut him loose a bit. Credit, where credit is due. So, maybe Horton stays on as QB coach/mentor to Baker? Or if he does stay on as OC, don't be surprised if the offense is much better next year. I thought Horton called a much better game on Saturday. Armchair coaches such as myself may wish for more results, but he dialed in some plays that kept the ball moving. There still is something that just kills drives. Whether it is poor line play, easy to read routes, bad run game, there is still a weight around the offenses ankles. Better but still predictable and mundane. The few plays he took the training wheels off Baker were the best calls.
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:46:27 GMT -8
Yeah, the winningest coach in MWC history and the guy who took us to 9 straight bowls is NOT a head coach Silly me That's like being the tallest dude at a midget convention. News flash... San Diego State is a midget in a midget conference. Your argument dies when your line of logic is the shortest midget
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:50:36 GMT -8
LMAO @ Aztec Panther "thinking" winning 9 games is easy.
If it's so easy, then how come hardly anybody in the 100 year history of the game did it nearly a decade straight? Hell, how come most teams don't win 9 in a single season?
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:54:23 GMT -8
2008 - 2-10 season 2019 - 9-3 season It was coaching on both sides of the ball that brought home those 9 wins. Don’t act like it was a 2-10 season. Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I bet that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. LMAO So you're using moral victories as your sole support for your argument? And you're the dude telling people they don't know football?! LMAO FYI, this was the "soft SDSU team that hit the beach once you hit them in the mouth" who lost to NM by 60 But, go on and tell us how Chuck Long would produce triple his win total from 2008
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 4:58:11 GMT -8
Against the schedule we played this year, anything less than 10-2 was failure. Frankly, even 10-2 was inadequate. This was the weakest schedule in 50 years and a truly quality team would have swept the table---- not a great team, merely a quality team. What? How DARE I say that? Well... We didn't play the 1st or 2nd place team in the Mountain division. We lost to the third place team. We lost to the 1st and 3rd place teams in the West division. We couldn't lose to 2nd, because that was us. We beat a crappy UCLA squad, a crappy BYU squad, and Wyoming, which finished forth in the Mountain. And then we ran through the tomato can brigade, enough tomato cans to make bisque for 100. Rocky sounds like a whiny little girl. He can brandish all the lipstick he wants, but this season was a pig, the RECORD WAS MEANINGLESS, as witness by the above. Rocky needs to shut his pie-hole, man-up, and do the job. FIRE HORTON. We get what we pay for.....Rocky's not making 3 million per season so why should we expect anything more than 8-9 wins and a third place trophy bowl game....this is how I interpret his attitude...... 2 MWC titles in 5 years with us in the mix for the title game up until the last conf game in 3 of those seasons Some of you have become very spoiled and entitled fans Also, 3 of those seasons saw double digit wins. Name the programs nationally with a better 5 year record than us
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 2, 2019 5:03:58 GMT -8
Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I bet that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. LMAO So you're using moral victories as your sole support for your argument? And you're the dude telling people they don't know football?!LMAO FYI, this was the "soft SDSU team that hit the beach once you hit them in the mouth" who lost to NM by 60 You must've mistaken me for another troll. I don't EVER say that. And not using moral victories. Just saying this schedule was WAY softer than 10 years ago. I contend it was the softest schedule in the Div 1 era. Change my mind.
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 2, 2019 5:07:56 GMT -8
LMAO So you're using moral victories as your sole support for your argument? And you're the dude telling people they don't know football?!LMAO FYI, this was the "soft SDSU team that hit the beach once you hit them in the mouth" who lost to NM by 60 You must've mistaken me for another troll. I don't EVER say that. And not using moral victories. Just saying this schedule was WAY softer than 10 years ago. I contend it was the softest schedule in the Div 1 era. Change my mind. The schedule was soft this year compared to a lot of seasons. I don't have the data to make an assumption of the entire D1 era. What you also did was assume Chuck Long could win more games with a simple change of schedule. Convince me that this would happen What you forgot is the Aztecs under Chuck were much softer than the 2019 schedule
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 2, 2019 5:08:03 GMT -8
That's like being the tallest dude at a midget convention. News flash... San Diego State is a midget in a midget conference. Your argument dies when your line of logic is the shortest midget Disagree. San Diego State is not a midget in this conference. For this conference, we're not even short. We're like 6'. Nationally, we're like George Constanza height.
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