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Post by azman on Dec 1, 2019 17:49:46 GMT -8
Yes, that’s it. If you happen to notice how great of a coaching job Long did this year to give his club as constituted the best chance to win week in and week out, you don’t want to see any thing get fixed. Effin unreal, run down a 9 win season, why, because it want to anyone’s particular preferred manner of winning. I don’t like the cut of that guys jib crap. 2008 - 2-10 season 2019 - 9-3 season It was coaching on both sides of the ball that brought home those 9 wins. Don’t act like it was a 2-10 season. Yes, everyone knows that Rocky>Chuck as a HC. We are talking about how our offense, and specifically Horton, held us back from a possibly VERY special season.
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 1, 2019 17:50:31 GMT -8
Yes, that’s it. If you happen to notice how great of a coaching job Long did this year to give his club as constituted the best chance to win week in and week out, you don’t want to see any thing get fixed. Effin unreal, run down a 9 win season, why, because it want to anyone’s particular preferred manner of winning. I don’t like the cut of that guys jib crap. 2008 - 2-10 season 2019 - 9-3 season It was coaching on both sides of the ball that brought home those 9 wins. Don’t act like it was a 2-10 season. Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I bet that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule.
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Post by azman on Dec 1, 2019 17:53:44 GMT -8
2008 - 2-10 season 2019 - 9-3 season It was coaching on both sides of the ball that brought home those 9 wins. Don’t act like it was a 2-10 season. Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I have little doubt that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. And conversely, this team would probably have gone about 6-6 against that 2008 schedule as well.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 17:53:54 GMT -8
Stupid conversation, missing Rocky’s point... Winning nine games is hard and people should be happy... Winning nine games against the teams we played was, by relative terms, easy. Or it should have been - the only reason it didn't look easy is because our offense SUCKS. With a decent offense (average or even slightly below average) we smoke 9 of our opponents. With a decent offense we will a minimum of 11 games against this weak schedule. This schedule was a joke. Nor should he be - the Western division title was handed to him on a silver platter before the season even began, but Jeff Horton gave it away. Which is the same thing he said after LAST season. "Changes," were made, and the offense was just as bad. But does Rocky know that? Does he believe that?? Same thing was true last year, and he didn't change the staff. He tolerated failure and gave those coaches another chance. They failed AGAIN. I'm not happy with HOW we won 6 of those 9 games. They were garbage wins over BAD teams that could have EASILY been losses. We just got lucky that our defense was just good enough to hold our opponents to their season lows in scoring. Yeah, he made, "Changes," after last season, too. Band aids were put on deep gashes that needed surgery. We'll see what happens, but our offense (or lack thereof) was horrendous the last two seasons and cost us division titles, if not outright Conference Championships. And it got us BLOWN OUT in our Bowl Game last year. Full on embarrassed on national TV. All time - State was 7-1-28 against BYU. www.winsipedia.com/byu/vs/san-diego-stateAll time - State was 0-1-20 a giant UCLA. Sure relatively easy. This ain’t madden football, joe many of you guys actually laced them up?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 18:03:05 GMT -8
All time - State was 7-1-28 against BYU. www.winsipedia.com/byu/vs/san-diego-stateAll time - State was 0-1-20 a giant UCLA. Sure relatively easy. This ain’t madden football, joe many of you guys actually laced them up? This was a decent BYU team, but nowhere near as good as the teams that beat us in the past. And as for UCLA, this was a VERY weak team compared to years past. They had a couple good games, but, overall, this was another disastrous season for them. It's great that we beat both of them this year, but we didn't run into BYU or UCLA teams that reflected how good they've been in the past.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 18:04:14 GMT -8
2008 - 2-10 season 2019 - 9-3 season It was coaching on both sides of the ball that brought home those 9 wins. Don’t act like it was a 2-10 season. Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I bet that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. State won 9 games, they did it with great coaching that optimized the talent of the team.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Dec 1, 2019 18:05:03 GMT -8
Against the schedule we played this year, anything less than 10-2 was failure. Frankly, even 10-2 was inadequate. This was the weakest schedule in 50 years and a truly quality team would have swept the table---- not a great team, merely a quality team. What? How DARE I say that? Well... We didn't play the 1st or 2nd place team in the Mountain division. We lost to the third place team. We lost to the 1st and 3rd place teams in the West division. We couldn't lose to 2nd, because that was us. We beat a crappy UCLA squad, a crappy BYU squad, and Wyoming, which finished forth in the Mountain. And then we ran through the tomato can brigade, enough tomato cans to make bisque for 100. Rocky sounds like a whiny little girl. He can brandish all the lipstick he wants, but this season was a pig, the RECORD WAS MEANINGLESS, as witness by the above. Rocky needs to shut his pie-hole, man-up, and do the job. FIRE HORTON. We get what we pay for.....Rocky's not making 3 million per season so why should we expect anything more than 8-9 wins and a third place trophy bowl game....this is how I interpret his attitude......
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 18:05:06 GMT -8
Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I have little doubt that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. And conversely, this team would probably have gone about 6-6 against that 2008 schedule as well. Maybe 7-5. This defensive unit is special, but that schedule would have been tough for this year's team. REALLY tough. NO WAY do we go 9-3 against the 2008 schedule with this team.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 18:05:52 GMT -8
Yeah, true. But in 2008, we played against Notre Dame, a 10-win BYU squad, an 11-win TCU squad and a Utah team that went undefeated, including beating Alabama in the Sugar bowl. When the MWC was actually good. I bet that 2008 Aztec team, horrible though it was, could've won 5 or 6 against the pack of fecking losers that was this year's schedule. If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. State won 9 games, they did it with great coaching that optimized the talent of the team. There was great coaching on the defensive side of the ball that definitely optimized their talent. On the offensive side? Not so much. The offense was an utter failure.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 18:06:32 GMT -8
All time - State was 7-1-28 against BYU. www.winsipedia.com/byu/vs/san-diego-stateAll time - State was 0-1-20 a giant UCLA. Sure relatively easy. This ain’t madden football, joe many of you guys actually laced them up? This was a decent BYU team, but nowhere near as good as the teams that beat us in the past. And as for UCLA, this was a VERY weak team compared to years past. They had a couple good games, but, overall, this was another disastrous season for them. It's great that we beat both of them this year, but we didn't run into BYU or UCLA teams that reflected how good they've been in the past. Dude there is decades of failure built into those numbers for UCLA and BYU. You guys are running down a season based on your wants and desire for an undefeated season. State needs to sort out the offense, but with what they had, the staff did an amazing job. Both sides.
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Post by ramrodd23 on Dec 1, 2019 18:09:45 GMT -8
This was a decent BYU team, but nowhere near as good as the teams that beat us in the past. And as for UCLA, this was a VERY weak team compared to years past. They had a couple good games, but, overall, this was another disastrous season for them. It's great that we beat both of them this year, but we didn't run into BYU or UCLA teams that reflected how good they've been in the past. Dude there is decades of failure built into those numbers for UCLA and BYU. You guys are running down a season based on your wants and desire for an undefeated season. State needs to sort out the offense, but with what they had, the staff did an amazing job. Both sides. Please stop. The offense is garbage. Also, you keep on saying want they have. Who recruited and developed the offensive players over the years?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 18:11:10 GMT -8
I am done with this conversation, we now have people propping up Chuck Long to be a 6-7 win fantasy win coach in an effort to justify running down rocky long.
Effin said, real sad.
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Post by gocoaztec on Dec 1, 2019 18:16:40 GMT -8
Against the schedule we played this year, anything less than 10-2 was failure. Frankly, even 10-2 was inadequate. This was the weakest schedule in 50 years and a truly quality team would have swept the table---- not a great team, merely a quality team. What? How DARE I say that? Well... We didn't play the 1st or 2nd place team in the Mountain division. We lost to the third place team. We lost to the 1st and 3rd place teams in the West division. We couldn't lose to 2nd, because that was us. We beat a crappy UCLA squad, a crappy BYU squad, and Wyoming, which finished forth in the Mountain. And then we ran through the tomato can brigade, enough tomato cans to make bisque for 100. Rocky sounds like a whiny little girl. He can brandish all the lipstick he wants, but this season was a pig, the RECORD WAS MEANINGLESS, as witness by the above. Rocky needs to shut his pie-hole, man-up, and do the job. FIRE HORTON. It’s interesting to me... that it’s Rocky that you think sounds like a “whiny little girl”. Go Aztecs!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 1, 2019 18:16:42 GMT -8
State needs to sort out the offense, but with what they had, the staff did an amazing job. Both sides. Are you serious? The offensive coaching was horrendous. Combined with last season it was arguably the worst offensive coaching job in the history of Aztec football. Defending Horton and his offensive staff is just... mind boggling. Only the biggest die hard, rose colored glasses wearing homers could support the job they've done over the last two years. The last two years have been an offensive debacle.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 18:18:21 GMT -8
Dude there is decades of failure built into those numbers for UCLA and BYU. You guys are running down a season based on your wants and desire for an undefeated season. State needs to sort out the offense, but with what they had, the staff did an amazing job. Both sides. Please stop. The offense is garbage. Also, you keep on saying want they have. Who recruited and developed the offensive players over the years? Go ahead punch the sky, it won’t change the fact that they win 9 games. They need to improve the offense, but that does not take away from the coaching job this season. More often than not, with what they had on hand, they don’t win 9 games. Changes will be made on the offensive side of the ball. But let’s hear it, what was the problem with the offense. Scheme? What did you want to see? Execution, what in particular? I want to hear what made them hot garbage.
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Post by aztecfred on Dec 1, 2019 18:23:46 GMT -8
I know you are but, what am I?
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Post by jp92grad on Dec 1, 2019 18:31:16 GMT -8
This was a decent BYU team, but nowhere near as good as the teams that beat us in the past. And as for UCLA, this was a VERY weak team compared to years past. They had a couple good games, but, overall, this was another disastrous season for them. It's great that we beat both of them this year, but we didn't run into BYU or UCLA teams that reflected how good they've been in the past. Dude there is decades of failure built into those numbers for UCLA and BYU. You guys are running down a season based on your wants and desire for an undefeated season. State needs to sort out the offense, but with what they had, the staff did an amazing job. Both sides. Not sure what games you were watching but the players were there on the offensive side of the ball. They were or are just about the same as any other team we played against. This is a coaching staff issue. QB-below average (offset by being a game manger) RB-Average to above (strength in numbers) WR-Average (couple nice pieces) TE-Above Average (under utilized) OLine-Average (good depth) This is all on the lack of creativity of the play calling and development of the QB position. They have got such poor production from the QB position from recruiting to development to game planning to play calling to just overall utilization of player skill set. What you don't you see is a true D1 quarterback come into or out of this system in the last 8-10 years. You could say Maxwell Smith but he was a 1 year transfer (rental). I challenge you to point out any QB from SDSU in the last 8-10 years that could play at any D1 team we played!I know that is kind of harsh but it's true. This team (Rocky) really needs to look at how things have been going the last 2-3 years and make some changes (serious changes).
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Post by aztecdan8 on Dec 1, 2019 18:31:45 GMT -8
Rocky, with this weak ass schedule, we should have been 11-1 if not 12-0. We didn't even make the MWC championship either. It's sad that you are happy with this. This "what could have been" season is a direct result of a terrible offense run by Horton. You need to fire him! This. For the most part, we are beating mediocre and bad MWC and OOC (Weber State and New Mexico State - c’mon). I would hope he would aspire to better. 2 things - 1) he is starting to make excuses, create narratives ...and seems way too sensitive. I’m not down with his snarky little retorts to what the criticisms of him and the program are. NOT the kids Rocky. YOU and some of your coaches. 2). He doesn’t seem to aspire to get his Aztecs to the next level- or beyond- to have a season or two, like Memphis, Cincy, UCF, Boise State ...when he wins the conference he makes a big deal that that is the goal - ok then- but what about trying to be in a NY6 game, or at least be one of the 2-3 teams fighting for the berth. Then, when he doesn’t win the MWC championship, which hasn’t happened in a few now, he doesn’t admit that they didn’t reach HIS stated goal... instead knocking the fan base who think 8-9 wins aren’t good enough Rocky. His team should have been 11-1 or 12-0 with even a middle of the road O. Plus, lots of undisciplined mistakes- tackling, penalties. That should be a strong suit of a coach whose considered old school and tough minded. A lot of the last 3 seasons don’t pass the eye test. Ultimately it’s his fault they don’t have even a respectable offense. If he gets a ton of credit for the D, he deserves a ton of blame for the O, Over him. I’m very happy we beat BYU. But my glasses aren’t rose colored from the frustration and under achieving of much of the season.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Dec 1, 2019 18:32:25 GMT -8
Please stop. The offense is garbage. Also, you keep on saying want they have. Who recruited and developed the offensive players over the years? Go ahead punch the sky, it won’t change the fact that they win 9 games. They need to improve the offense, but that does not take away from the coaching job this season. More often than not, with what they had on hand, they don’t win 9 games. Changes will be made on the offensive side of the ball. But let’s hear it, what was the problem with the offense. Scheme? What did you want to see? Execution, what in particular? I want to hear what made them hot garbage. Yes, he absolutely did. Was the offense good? No, but they did two things very well during the course of the season. Time of position and turnovers. This was by design. They didn’t square peg a round hole. Does this mean the offense was good and there should be no changes, no. But do you know how many OC’s keep pressing and keep exposing their teams to more risk?
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Post by bagtec on Dec 1, 2019 18:41:20 GMT -8
lots of opinions being thrown around like facts in this one.
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