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Post by hoobs on Nov 25, 2019 7:36:57 GMT -8
How much would we pay him to not work for SDSU? We are fundraising for a new stadium, not a new coach. I doubt they fire anyone that we owe future money too To the latter point... I don't know if assistant coaches are on 1-year, or multiyear contracts. If the latter, I don't know when any of them expire (ie, even if Horton is on a... let's say 3 year contract, this this the last year?). |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Nov 25, 2019 11:08:17 GMT -8
Just checked in on our high powered offense rankings.
We are now 112 out of 130 for Total Offense
We are now 118 out of 130 for Scoring Offense
We are the worst offense in the MW and we expect to win a conference championship?
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Post by pbnative on Nov 25, 2019 13:30:36 GMT -8
Just checked in on our high powered offense rankings. We are now 112 out of 130 for Total Offense We are now 118 out of 130 for Scoring Offense We are the worst offense in the MW and we expect to win a conference championship? How about this gem from the UT. Two of the worst offensive seasons in SDSU’s 50-year Division I history came under Chuck Long, when the Aztecs averaged 19.3 points (2008) and 14.2 points (2006) a game. Rocky Long switched to the spread formation this season after last year’s team averaged only 20.6 points a game. The Aztecs are now averaging 19.5 points this season (18.3 ppg if two special teams scores are removed), which ranks 118th in the nation. |
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Post by SuperAztec on Nov 25, 2019 16:50:04 GMT -8
Just checked in on our high powered offense rankings. We are now 112 out of 130 for Total Offense We are now 118 out of 130 for Scoring Offense We are the worst offense in the MW and we expect to win a conference championship? How about this gem from the UT. Two of the worst offensive seasons in SDSU’s 50-year Division I history came under Chuck Long, when the Aztecs averaged 19.3 points (2008) and 14.2 points (2006) a game. Rocky Long switched to the spread formation this season after last year’s team averaged only 20.6 points a game. The Aztecs are now averaging 19.5 points this season (18.3 ppg if two special teams scores are removed), which ranks 118th in the nation. How can he not make a change? A fish stinks from the head down. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Nov 25, 2019 16:53:53 GMT -8
Nah. Rocky wants a run first offense that controls the clock and scores. This is most definitely not the offense that he wants. Really? Because Andy Ludwig and Bob Toledo didn't run that kind of offense. It's always assumed that he wants a run first offense by Horton's supporters, but the two previous OC's were given free rein to run the offense however they wanted, which would indicate that such a belief does not reflect the facts. Let’s look at the numbers for 2014, coach Toledo’s last year, and 2018 (these are per game averages): 2014: passing 26.8att/178.4yds; rushing 39.8att/216.1yds. Total: 394.5 yds a game. 40.2% of plays were passing 2018: passing 24.0att/187.2yds; rushing 39.9att/161.7yds. Total: 348.8 yds a game. 37.5% of plays were passing We had a better offense in 2014 by about 50 yds per game, and that difference was ALL in the running game. You will have to decide if the difference between Toledo’s 40.2% passing plays and Horton’s 37.5% passing plays is enough to prove that Toledo’s offense wasn’t “run first”. Go Aztecs! |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 25, 2019 18:00:32 GMT -8
Really? Because Andy Ludwig and Bob Toledo didn't run that kind of offense. It's always assumed that he wants a run first offense by Horton's supporters, but the two previous OC's were given free rein to run the offense however they wanted, which would indicate that such a belief does not reflect the facts. Let’s look at the numbers for 2014, coach Toledo’s last year, and 2018 (these are per game averages): 2014: passing 26.8att/178.4yds; rushing 39.8att/216.1yds. Total: 394.5 yds a game. 40.2% of plays were passing 2018: passing 24.0att/187.2yds; rushing 39.9att/161.7yds. Total: 348.8 yds a game. 37.5% of plays were passing We had a better offense in 2014 by about 50 yds per game, and that difference was ALL in the running game. You will have to decide if the difference between Toledo’s 40.2% passing plays and Horton’s 37.5% passing plays is enough to prove that Toledo’s offense wasn’t “run first”. Go Aztecs! Didn't the Aztecs have QB injury issues in 2014? What were the numbers in 2013? 2012? 2011? And how about points per game? Just checked in on our high powered offense rankings. We are now 112 out of 130 for Total Offense We are now 118 out of 130 for Scoring Offense We are the worst offense in the MW and we expect to win a conference championship? How about this gem from the UT. Two of the worst offensive seasons in SDSU’s 50-year Division I history came under Chuck Long, when the Aztecs averaged 19.3 points (2008) and 14.2 points (2006) a game. Rocky Long switched to the spread formation this season after last year’s team averaged only 20.6 points a game. The Aztecs are now averaging 19.5 points this season (18.3 ppg if two special teams scores are removed), which ranks 118th in the nation. Horton is a failure. |
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Post by texasaztec on Nov 26, 2019 8:54:11 GMT -8
Rocky has already said he won't be making any changes until after the season is over. He sticks with what he says. So I'm not expecting any changes until after the bowl game.
At that point, he is going to re-evaluate everything from top to bottom.
Once that occurs, THEN decisions will be made.
If he fires Horton, Morgan and/or Schmidt, then he looks at whoever is available at that time. That's how Rocky rolls.
Personally, and I know this probably won't happen for a bunch of reasons. But I would love to see Tom Craft be brought in as the OC. Those offenses he ran/runs are fun to watch and put up some serious numbers!
Go Aztecs!
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Post by 91aztec on Nov 26, 2019 12:44:28 GMT -8
I unfortunately have a bad feeling that Horton isn't going anywhere unless he makes the decision himself. Rocky appears to be just stubborn enough and unapologetic enough to keep him on in order not to cave to public & fan board pressure to have him replaced.....because, as he has said "I am right and they are wrong".
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Nov 26, 2019 14:40:32 GMT -8
I unfortunately have a bad feeling that Horton isn't going anywhere unless he makes the decision himself. Rocky appears to be just stubborn enough and unapologetic enough to keep him on in order not to cave to public & fan board pressure to have him replaced.....because, as he has said "I am right and they are wrong". I suspect you are going to be correct and maybe that would be for the best. If Rocky succumbs to fan pressure to fire Horton and the offense continues to be terrible, Rocky will hold a goodbye press conference at which he will replicate that of New Mexico and say I told you so to us alleged ingrates. On the other hand, if Horton returns and the offense is again abysmal as is the prevailing opinion among fans and the team therefore once again fails to win the conference title, Rocky will go quietly into retirement, a result which would be better for him and us. My preference, of course, is what you suggest: That Horton just quit. Although if I were Jeff, under the circumstances that's what I would do, I'm not a stubborn football coach in the twilight of his career hoping for one final grasp of the brass ring. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Dec 4, 2019 13:29:49 GMT -8
Ok, so Horton wasn't fired after the BYU game.
So now we hope for an early bowl game and then he gets fired after that. If he's not fired by the end of the year we better start hoping that Morgan and Cooper get replaced so maybe they can find someone to help Horton fix this offense. I mean we had some good players on offense this year and if they couldn't execute why would anyone think a less experienced group next year will do any different.
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Post by fisher1fan on Dec 4, 2019 13:34:58 GMT -8
We are fundraising for a stadium. Do people really think SDSU is going to pay him not to coach?
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 4, 2019 13:39:42 GMT -8
We are fundraising for a stadium. Do people really think SDSU is going to pay him not to coach? I thought only the Head Coach gets a multi year deal. Could be wrong. If so, no, they won't fire Horton even if the offense ends up dead last, so far behind, we need to pay back yards and points next season to cover this year's shortfall. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 4, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -8
think we all realize that nothing will happen until after the Bowl game and doubt Rocky would fire Horton - also don't think our AD has guts to even talk to Rocky about it . Do think it should happen .
So is Rocky saying to the returning offensive players that they were given a good game plan but were not able to execute - ( think we have a good amount back )
By the way are the coaches out recruiting now
Also do you really think Rocky would like to have a QB that can take charge and start throwing or running up and down the field IF we could get one
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Post by moctezumaii on Dec 4, 2019 14:06:07 GMT -8
think we all realize that nothing will happen until after the Bowl game and doubt Rocky would fire Horton - also don't think our AD has guts to even talk to Rocky about it . Do think it should happen . So is Rocky saying to the returning offensive players that they were given a good game plan but were not able to execute - ( think we have a good amount back ) By the way are the coaches out recruiting now Also do you really think Rocky would like to have a QB that can take charge and start throwing or running up and down the field IF we could get one I have a sneaking suspicion that the very fact so many people are calling for Horton's firing, Rocky will want to show he's his own many by keeping him. Just to show us who's boss. I think the odds are slim for anything more than a sacrificial lamb, maybe Morgan. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Dec 4, 2019 14:12:25 GMT -8
We are fundraising for a stadium. Do people really think SDSU is going to pay him not to coach? I thought only the Head Coach gets a multi year deal. Could be wrong. If so, no, they won't fire Horton even if the offense ends up dead last, so far behind, we need to pay back yards and points next season to cover this year's shortfall. I am pretty sure Horton is on a one year deal... |
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Post by sdsustoner on Dec 4, 2019 14:17:53 GMT -8
Off season last year
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Dec 4, 2019 14:20:27 GMT -8
We are fundraising for a stadium. Do people really think SDSU is going to pay him not to coach? Assistants don't usually have long term deals. And we ARE fundraising for a new stadium. Keeping Horton will hurt fundraising as some people will take it as a sign that the school doesn't take winning all that seriously and doesn't make winning a priority. They've got to get rid of Horton. |
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Post by tuff on Dec 4, 2019 14:45:42 GMT -8
We are fundraising for a stadium. Do people really think SDSU is going to pay him not to coach? Assistants don't usually have long term deals. And we ARE fundraising for a new stadium. Keeping Horton will hurt fundraising as some people will take it as a sign that the school doesn't take winning all that seriously and doesn't make winning a priority. They've got to get rid of Horton. I cannot see driving 2-3 hours to watch another Aztec game if that clown is still coaching the offense. I just won’t do it. |
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Post by 12414 on Dec 4, 2019 14:56:34 GMT -8
think we all realize that nothing will happen until after the Bowl game and doubt Rocky would fire Horton - also don't think our AD has guts to even talk to Rocky about it . Do think it should happen . So is Rocky saying to the returning offensive players that they were given a good game plan but were not able to execute - ( think we have a good amount back ) By the way are the coaches out recruiting now Also do you really think Rocky would like to have a QB that can take charge and start throwing or running up and down the field IF we could get one Stan, you really need to fix that stuck “question mark” key on your typewriter. |
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Post by 12414 on Dec 4, 2019 15:13:19 GMT -8
If you compare the team to a company, the company has had considerable success due to the results of one division. But profits were being dragged down by a severely underperforming division. Last year, the CEO demanded better performance from that division and the manager (friend of the CEO) responded by instituting a change (i.e. a “spread offense” - or so he said it was). At the end of the year, the change didn’t work and the bad performing division STILL was underperforming and dragging down company profits.
The shareholders are angry and want the underperforming manager fired from the company. We know how a successful CEO should respond. But will he?
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