|
Post by sdsudevil on Nov 24, 2019 10:06:21 GMT -8
If he is finally relieved of his duties. We should all increase our donations. If a specific fund was set up for paying for a new OC, I would definitely contribute
|
|
|
Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 24, 2019 10:09:25 GMT -8
Good point. Horton has been a failure as a recruiter over the last 4 years. Getting a new OC in before the signing date can't hurt recruiting more than Horton's already hurting it. Do we really know he's been a failure as a recruiter? Do we have a list of who he's recruited over his last four years to see how they've panned out? That's not a fair criticism without evidence. The evidence is on the field. Those are his guys. He's been in charge of the offensive recruiting for at least the last 4 years.
|
|
|
Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Nov 24, 2019 10:10:09 GMT -8
We are a run first team that can’t run the ball. The only issue with the running backs is that we stayed with Washington too long, and that is on coach Horton as both the OC and RB coach. The QB, RB’s, WR’s and TE’s were all good enough to win last night and kept us in the game. So what’s left? The offensive line. Fix the o-line, find a replacement for Agnew, and get a bit more creative in our offense - particularly the running game, and we’ll be very good next year. The needed changes require a surgeon, not an axe murderer. Go Aztecs! Agree!
|
|
|
Post by pbnative on Nov 24, 2019 10:25:57 GMT -8
We are a run first team that can’t run the ball. The only issue with the running backs is that we stayed with Washington too long, and that is on coach Horton as both the OC and RB coach. The QB, RB’s, WR’s and TE’s were all good enough to win last night and kept us in the game. So what’s left? The offensive line. Fix the o-line, find a replacement for Agnew, and get a bit more creative in our offense - particularly the running game, and we’ll be very good next year. The needed changes require a surgeon, not an axe murderer. Go Aztecs! it's 10% lack of player talent, 90% lack of coaching tallent. The overall scheme is awful, and that makes the OL and QB look worse than they are. They are setup to fail. The offense looks like a patchwork of stollen plays from different playbooks, no cohesiveness. Our offense against zone D is atrocious. Defenses know to drop back in zone, and let the front 7 deal with anything 5 yards from the LOS. We run swing passes on 2nd and long for a 1 or 2 yard gain then expect Agnew to pickup the 1st down on 3rd and 8. Half the time the routes aren't deep enough for the 1st down or we have to dump off underneath. Plays take forever to get in from the sidelines, and often the situational awareness of the game from the sidelines is completely lacking. Some of the positions probably could use an upgrade, but the OL was supposed to be a strength the last 2 years.
|
|
|
Post by aztecdan8 on Nov 24, 2019 10:34:42 GMT -8
We are a run first team that can’t run the ball. The only issue with the running backs is that we stayed with Washington too long, and that is on coach Horton as both the OC and RB coach. The QB, RB’s, WR’s and TE’s were all good enough to win last night and kept us in the game. So what’s left? The offensive line. Fix the o-line, find a replacement for Agnew, and get a bit more creative in our offense - particularly the running game, and we’ll be very good next year. The needed changes require a surgeon, not an axe murderer. Go Aztecs! it's 10% lack of player talent, 90% lack of coaching tallent. The overall scheme is awful, and that makes the OL and QB look worse than they are. They are setup to fail. The offense looks like a patchwork of stillen plays from different playbooks, no cohesiveness. Our offense against zone D is atrocious. Defenses know to drop back in zone, and let the front 7 deal with anything 5 yards from the LOS. We run swing passes on 2nd and long for a 1 or 2 yard gain then expect Agnew to pickup the 1st down on 3rd and 8. Half the time the routes aren't deep enough for the 1st down or we have to dump off underneath. Plays take forever to get in from the sidelines, and often the situational awareness of the game from the sidelines is completely lacking. Some of the positions probably could use an upgrade, but the OL was supposed to be a strength the last 2 years. This is a GREAT post. Spot on IMO. This is the O Rocky wants
|
|
|
Post by gocoaztec on Nov 24, 2019 11:13:18 GMT -8
it's 10% lack of player talent, 90% lack of coaching tallent. The overall scheme is awful, and that makes the OL and QB look worse than they are. They are setup to fail. The offense looks like a patchwork of stillen plays from different playbooks, no cohesiveness. Our offense against zone D is atrocious. Defenses know to drop back in zone, and let the front 7 deal with anything 5 yards from the LOS. We run swing passes on 2nd and long for a 1 or 2 yard gain then expect Agnew to pickup the 1st down on 3rd and 8. Half the time the routes aren't deep enough for the 1st down or we have to dump off underneath. Plays take forever to get in from the sidelines, and often the situational awareness of the game from the sidelines is completely lacking. Some of the positions probably could use an upgrade, but the OL was supposed to be a strength the last 2 years. This is a GREAT post. Spot on IMO. This is the O Rocky wants Nah. Rocky wants a run first offense that controls the clock and scores. This is most definitely not the offense that he wants.
|
|
|
Post by junior on Nov 24, 2019 11:27:46 GMT -8
Piss and moan all you want. The truth is that unless the Aztecs lose a bunch of games they play from here on out (and what's that for this season, two more? maybe???) this crew - headed by Rocky and a non-flying Squirrel - are going nowhere except home and then back to Montezuma Mesa next spring. But it doesn't cost anything to wish at this time of year… sometimes they come true. They'd need a program meltdown the level of the last Long for that to happen anytime within the next 10 years …
What Rocky needs to do this off-season is to very carefully evaluate his future. Why does he need these weekly headaches? He'll be making plenty of money to be comfortable in OB for the rest of his days. Of course, there's always that notion of a meaningful retirement. With his competitive personality, it won't be easy if he's relegated to watching Aztec Football on Facebook.
|
|
|
Post by aztech on Nov 24, 2019 11:41:24 GMT -8
I fire him right after the BYU game but get the administration working on all the firing and hiring paperwork this week so Monday, December 2nd you can have the job officially posted. Some might argue waiting until after one of the signing periods or even the bowl game. The new coach needs to be able to recruit kids for his system. Rocky is 4-9 in bowl games and I don’t see us beating any team in the country that makes a bowl game with this offense and Rocky’s bowl philosophy. Agree. If Horton is gone before the signing period, then recruiting a quality QB may be easier. The recruiter can tell him we're changing our offensive philosophy with an emphasis on passing. No way would a good QB come here if Horton is still around. They're no fools. More than likely they and their parents have heard about his sad offense.
|
|
|
Post by myownwords on Nov 24, 2019 11:55:34 GMT -8
Piss and moan all you want. The truth is that unless the Aztecs lose a bunch of games they play from here on out (and what's that for this season, two more? maybe???) this crew - headed by Rocky and a non-flying Squirrel - are going nowhere except home and then back to Montezuma Mesa next spring. But it doesn't cost anything to wish at this time of year… sometimes they come true. They'd need a program meltdown the level of the last Long for that to happen anytime within the next 10 years … What Rocky needs to do this off-season is to very carefully evaluate his future. Why does he need these weekly headaches? He'll be making plenty of money to be comfortable in OB for the rest of his days. Of course, there's always that notion of a meaningful retirement. With his competitive personality, it won't be easy if he's relegated to watching Aztec Football on Facebook. Your cogency is as valid as your clarity. Good post. The type of football program most desired---by fans on this board, and San Diego in general---is one that can only be created by having an ambitious, focused, unafraid of risk, compelling AD and president. Sadly---when it comes to football---we have neither.
|
|
|
Post by pbnative on Nov 24, 2019 12:22:59 GMT -8
This is a GREAT post. Spot on IMO. This is the O Rocky wants Nah. Â Rocky wants a run first offense that controls the clock and scores. Â This is most definitely not the offense that he wants. Ball control is what Rocky wants. You can control the ball and control clock in several ways and still have aggressive play calling. Hawaii has drives of 7 & 8 minutes, and they are a quick strike run n shoot offense. Rocky doesn't want to turn the ball over, but if your offense is running 5 ond 6 plays then punting 6 times a game, that is as good as a turnover in my book. Yes we pin them deep quite often, but still the offense needs to put points on the board and they are barely making it to mid-field. Again, I don't think the offensive philosophy is bad, the pro style still works for a lot of teams. It is that the offense doesn't seem to have any cohesiveness with an identity and purpose. No strategy in the game plan and play calling. It seems like a choppy mish-mash of plays and formations... A spaghetti offense of play calls just tossed out there and see what works.
|
|
|
Post by azman on Nov 24, 2019 12:58:54 GMT -8
I don't think I will attend another home game until Horton is fired, and I would bet I'm far from the only person to come to that conclusion. Changes will be forced to be made as attendance keeps declining. People don't want to pay money to watch this crap on offense in person.
|
|
|
Post by gocoaztec on Nov 24, 2019 13:03:12 GMT -8
Nah.  Rocky wants a run first offense that controls the clock and scores.  This is most definitely not the offense that he wants. Ball control is what Rocky wants. You can control the ball and control clock in several ways. Hawaii has drives of 7 & 8 minutes, and they are a quick strike spread offense. Rocky doesn't want to turn the ball over, but if your offense is running 5 ond 6 plays then punting 6 times a game, that is as good as a turnover in my book. Yes we pin them deep quite often, but still the offense needs to put points on the board and they are barely making it to mid-field. Hawaii barely beat us at home, even though our offense has struggled mightily all year. They barely got more yards (fewer passing, but more rushing). They have a worse overall record and also lost 3 conference games. I’ll give them their due - they won and that’s what matters in the end. But, there are issues with their offense, starting with the 2.3 turnovers per game. You cannot have that many turnovers and consider it a ball control offense and they will not consistently win with those numbers. We could have easily beat them if we could have rushed for 150+ yards, which pretty much every other team has done. I congratulate Hawaii and wish them good luck against BSU, but they are not a great team, and I see no particular reason to emulate them. Go Aztecs!
|
|
|
Post by pbnative on Nov 24, 2019 13:34:23 GMT -8
Ball control is what Rocky wants. You can control the ball and control clock in several ways. Hawaii has drives of 7 & 8 minutes, and they are a quick strike spread offense. Rocky doesn't want to turn the ball over, but if your offense is running 5 ond 6 plays then punting 6 times a game, that is as good as a turnover in my book. Yes we pin them deep quite often, but still the offense needs to put points on the board and they are barely making it to mid-field. Hawaii barely beat us at home, even though our offense has struggled mightily all year. They barely got more yards (fewer passing, but more rushing). They have a worse overall record and also lost 3 conference games. I’ll give them their due - they won and that’s what matters in the end. But, there are issues with their offense, starting with the 2.3 turnovers per game. You cannot have that many turnovers and consider it a ball control offense and they will not consistently win with those numbers. We could have easily beat them if we could have rushed for 150+ yards, which pretty much every other team has done. I congratulate Hawaii and wish them good luck against BSU, but they are not a great team, and I see no particular reason to emulate them. Go Aztecs! I see you didn't quote or didn't read my last little paragraph. I never said we should praise and and emulate Hawaii, what I said ball control can be achieved in several systems. My last point in that post was that the pro style offense works for many teams still, so there is nothing wrong with the current pro style philosophy, but whatever the offense is we try and run is just a jumble of random, not an offensive scheme.
|
|
|
Post by tuff on Nov 24, 2019 19:01:25 GMT -8
Leave Horton in until BYU. We’re going to lose anyways. Then fire him. Promote Caragher for the bowl game and see where it goes from there. He had some good offenses at San Jose but who knows? Bottom line,, Horton, Schmidtand Morgan have to go.
|
|
|
Post by sdsuballer on Nov 24, 2019 21:00:52 GMT -8
The real issues is recruiting and not Jeff Horton. Rocky recruits athletes and makes the best one defensive players. The next OC will have to recruit JC player to fill OL issues, a RB, and two WR.
|
|
|
Post by csaztec on Nov 24, 2019 23:48:22 GMT -8
The real issues is recruiting and not Jeff Horton. Rocky recruits athletes and makes the best one defensive players. The next OC will have to recruit JC player to fill OL issues, a RB, and two WR. Negative, look at teams with 2 star/mediocre talent and good OCs who put up yardage, the directional Michigan Schools, ECUs, etc. Problem is their defenses are terrible yet ours isnt. Every school recruits athletes and with our recent class signings there is no reason we cant compete. TCU recruited nothing but athletes for defense and offense yet still ran top offenses. It is Horton because he recruits the offensive guys too! We have had some good weapons but the play calling limits what these weapons can do because the defense can key into them when you know all 10 plays in our playbook.
|
|
|
Post by aztecmusician on Nov 25, 2019 0:37:25 GMT -8
He might not be fired, maybe just reassigned. He is running the offense Rocky wants, just not the results everyone wants. It is not an iron clad lock Horton gets pink slipped after the whatever bowl.
|
|
|
Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 25, 2019 6:56:02 GMT -8
This is a GREAT post. Spot on IMO. This is the O Rocky wants Nah. Rocky wants a run first offense that controls the clock and scores. This is most definitely not the offense that he wants. Really? Because Andy Ludwig and Bob Toledo didn't run that kind of offense. It's always assumed that he wants a run first offense by Horton's supporters, but the two previous OC's were given free rein to run the offense however they wanted, which would indicate that such a belief does not reflect the facts.
|
|
|
Post by fisher1fan on Nov 25, 2019 7:16:41 GMT -8
How much would we pay him to not work for SDSU?
We are fundraising for a new stadium, not a new coach. I doubt they fire anyone that we owe future money too
|
|
|
Post by fisher1fan on Nov 25, 2019 7:16:54 GMT -8
How much would we pay him to not work for SDSU?
We are fundraising for a new stadium, not a new coach. I doubt they fire anyone that we owe future money too
|
|