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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2019 18:38:04 GMT -8
I looked up Pomeranz' stats for 2019. He sucked. ERA was 5.68! That's called giving away the games late. And none of the players involved in this trade are difference makers. Do you really expect this team to contend this year? The league is rigged. They want the major market teams to have winning records every year so they can be in the playoff hunt every year so they can have big ratings in the biggest markets every year. So the major market teams are allowed to have HUGE revenue advantages over the rest of the league. It's not a balanced, competitive league. The Yankees and Red Sox almost never have losing seasons, and they're almost always in the playoff hunt. The small/mid market teams have losing records at least 7 out of every 10 years and are legitimately in the playoff hunt maybe one or two years out of every ten. The league is a joke. It's a step up from Pro Wrestling. The outcomes of the games aren't decided in advance, but which teams are given a competitive advantage IS decided in advance. I'm usually not one to defend Ryan (he can do that himself), you didn't look at all of his stats. You cherry-picked the first half, when he was a starter with the Giants. He was much more effective coming out of the 'pen with the Brewers. Although I was amazed at the money he will allegedly get from the Padres. Appreciate it, because I try not to engage in this kind of stuff - I just hate so much misinformation being thrown out there. With regards to Pomeranz, there were multiple clubs involved at 3 years with a higher AAV. Good relievers over the last few years are in the exact price range Pomeranz got. Bryan Shaw got 3 years/27 million. Joe Kelly got 3/25. I really think you are going to see a higher premium placed on multi-inning guys with the new rules.
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Post by survalli on Nov 28, 2019 19:13:22 GMT -8
Lauer was the key to that trade for the Brewers. Urias may figure it out it a smaller ballpark. Curious to hear what people think of Grisham, his minor league stats do not blow me away. This is false - Stearns said yesterday that they targeted Urias because of his hit tool and perceived upside. It's a win win move on paper. Both sides will likely benefit. Grisham adds more lineup balance to the Padres outfield being left handed and can play all 3 spots. Urias will be the Brewers shortstop at this point. My mistake, the Brewers have outright said it was about Lauer. referenced his record against LA. I am not making this up.
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Post by survalli on Nov 28, 2019 19:15:57 GMT -8
Pop quiz, hotshot. How many losing seasons have the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers had COMBINED over the last 19 years? Who...cares? How many World Series championships do those 3 teams have in the last decade? Make the playoffs and it comes down to matchups, strategy and execution, not payroll. Now, back to this thread. While I'm glad you looked up Pomeranz and gawked at his ERA, here's what is actually relevant. As a reliever, he posted a 1.88 ERA with 50 strikeouts in 28 2/3 innings. What's also relevant is that with the new 3 batter minimum rule, a left handed multi-inning reliever has an extreme amount of value because their role is suddenly expanded. Muñoz, Castillo, Pomeranz and Yates is a foundation for an elite bullpen, which shortens the game and reduces the stress on your starting staff. im glad you posted this, as the Brewers bought Laurer for that Dodger matchup. but really it was Urias who had that awesome WAR against LA.
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Post by aardvark on Nov 28, 2019 20:29:43 GMT -8
I'm usually not one to defend Ryan (he can do that himself), you didn't look at all of his stats. You cherry-picked the first half, when he was a starter with the Giants. He was much more effective coming out of the 'pen with the Brewers. Although I was amazed at the money he will allegedly get from the Padres. Appreciate it, because I try not to engage in this kind of stuff - I just hate so much misinformation being thrown out there. With regards to Pomeranz, there were multiple clubs involved at 3 years with a higher AAV. Good relievers over the last few years are in the exact price range Pomeranz got. Bryan Shaw got 3 years/27 million. Joe Kelly got 3/25. I really think you are going to see a higher premium placed on multi-inning guys with the new rules. The new rules are a great point, but he only got $1.5 mil last year. It's great for Pomeranz though, and I hope it works out for the Padres.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 28, 2019 20:52:23 GMT -8
Who...cares? How many World Series championships do those 3 teams have in the last decade? Make the playoffs and it comes down to matchups, strategy and execution, not payroll. Now, back to this thread. While I'm glad you looked up Pomeranz and gawked at his ERA, here's what is actually relevant. As a reliever, he posted a 1.88 ERA with 50 strikeouts in 28 2/3 innings. What's also relevant is that with the new 3 batter minimum rule, a left handed multi-inning reliever has an extreme amount of value because their role is suddenly expanded. Muñoz, Castillo, Pomeranz and Yates is a foundation for an elite bullpen, which shortens the game and reduces the stress on your starting staff. im glad you posted this, as the Brewers bought Laurer for that Dodger matchup. but really it was Urias who had that awesome WAR against LA. That's hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 15:37:40 GMT -8
Can’t just look at Pomeranzs ERA when most of that was as a SP.
Look at Andrew Miller. Failed starter, lights out reliever when he can just come in and let loose for 1 or 2 innings.
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 29, 2019 23:42:27 GMT -8
Pomeranz was highly effective for Milw@ukee coming out of the bullpen last year.
As for the trade I think both teams helped themselves, it will remain to be seen if Urias can become the offensive terror so many think he will develop into. The Pads got 2 good players.
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Post by azman on Dec 2, 2019 20:41:23 GMT -8
Can’t just look at Pomeranzs ERA when most of that was as a SP. Look at Andrew Miller. Failed starter, lights out reliever when he can just come in and let loose for 1 or 2 innings. A current Padre is similar as well, Matt Strahm.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2019 12:12:09 GMT -8
Wheeler gets 5 years/118 million from the Phillies. The White Sox reportedly offered 120 million plus, but were turned down. Garrett Richards looks like an absolute bargain now in comparison.
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Post by azteca on Dec 4, 2019 12:54:26 GMT -8
If Ryan were a bit less condescending, maybe more would put proper emphasis on his opinions!
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Post by aardvark on Dec 4, 2019 15:23:35 GMT -8
Wheeler gets 5 years/118 million from the Phillies. The White Sox reportedly offered 120 million plus, but were turned down. Garrett Richards looks like an absolute bargain now in comparison. Paying a guy to pitch 8.2 innings in a season is not a bargain.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2019 22:24:23 GMT -8
If Ryan were a bit less condescending, maybe more would put proper emphasis on his opinions! ....Okay?
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 4, 2019 22:25:13 GMT -8
Wheeler gets 5 years/118 million from the Phillies. The White Sox reportedly offered 120 million plus, but were turned down. Garrett Richards looks like an absolute bargain now in comparison. Paying a guy to pitch 8.2 innings in a season is not a bargain. It was always a 2020 contract. He'll pitch for a third of what Wheeler will make. Big picture.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2019 0:20:17 GMT -8
Paying a guy to pitch 8.2 innings in a season is not a bargain. It was always a 2020 contract. He'll pitch for a third of what Wheeler will make. Big picture. We will always disagree on this. It doesn't matter what Wheeler makes. He isn't our concern.
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Post by survalli on Dec 5, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -8
It was always a 2020 contract. He'll pitch for a third of what Wheeler will make. Big picture. We will always disagree on this. It doesn't matter what Wheeler makes. He isn't our concern. what he makes is a concern effects us indirectly
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2019 11:22:30 GMT -8
We will always disagree on this. It doesn't matter what Wheeler makes. He isn't our concern. what he makes is a concern effects us indirectly Not as far as Garrett Richards is concerned, although that is true for any other pitchers the Padres may sign.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2019 11:39:04 GMT -8
what he makes is a concern effects us indirectly Not as far as Garrett Richards is concerned, although that is true for any other pitchers the Padres may sign. This makes no sense.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2019 11:57:30 GMT -8
Not as far as Garrett Richards is concerned, although that is true for any other pitchers the Padres may sign. This makes no sense. Why does it make no sense?
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 5, 2019 17:44:10 GMT -8
Why does it make no sense? Because I would much rather have Richards with similar stuff pitching for the Padres given the current pitching market than Wheeler for a third of the price. Michael Pineda just signed a 2 year/20 million dollar deal and he is still serving a suspension. Bumgarner is supposedly going to get a 100 million dollar deal. What other guys are making directly influences spending.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 5, 2019 19:35:25 GMT -8
Why does it make no sense? Because I would much rather have Richards with similar stuff pitching for the Padres given the current pitching market than Wheeler for a third of the price. Michael Pineda just signed a 2 year/20 million dollar deal and he is still serving a suspension. Bumgarner is supposedly going to get a 100 million dollar deal. What other guys are making directly influences spending. Correct--what other guys are making does directly influence spending. But we already had Richards under contract, so what Wheeler was signed for recently had nothing to do with us signing Richards last year. And...we are basically paying Richards up to $18 million to pitch one season for the Padres, as he only pitched 8.2 innings for the club last season.
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