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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2019 20:47:25 GMT -8
Certainly true (the redundancy) but it doesn't mean you can't get solid return value from an AL club that craves power. Being top ten in the ML's in homeruns has value today. Now, whether or not Preller GOT solid return value......we will know in 2-3 years. Franmil is also heating up a little in CLE after a frigid start. The Padres could have waited until next season and got a lot more value for a guy that most likely was on pace to hit 40+ HR's. They could of got what the Friars desperately need. They are need of some veteran pitching. Soon!! They have plenty of pitching coming. They need offense and they need to find contact oriented bats. There are likely going to be 100 guys approximately that hit 30 or more home runs this season. Power is the easiest asset to replace in the game.
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Post by survalli on Aug 18, 2019 11:03:46 GMT -8
The Padres could have waited until next season and got a lot more value for a guy that most likely was on pace to hit 40+ HR's. They could of got what the Friars desperately need. They are need of some veteran pitching. Soon!! They have plenty of pitching coming. They need offense and they need to find contact oriented bats. you were talking about Taylor Trammel right?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2019 15:17:10 GMT -8
They have plenty of pitching coming. They need offense and they need to find contact oriented bats. you were talking about Taylor Trammel right? Look at his minor league OBP numbers. He still draws a good amount of walks as well. One thing that really caught up to Franmil was his inability to adjust his approach with 2 strikes. He was unable to really tap into any kind of plate discipline.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 18, 2019 20:13:48 GMT -8
you were talking about Taylor Trammel right? Look at his minor league OBP numbers. He still draws a good amount of walks as well. One thing that really caught up to Franmil was his inability to adjust his approach with 2 strikes. He was unable to really tap into any kind of plate discipline. If you're talking about Trammell and drawing walks--he certainly isn't drawing walks at the rates he was earlier in his career, which includes earlier this year in the Southern League.
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Post by survalli on Aug 19, 2019 9:06:08 GMT -8
you were talking about Taylor Trammel right? Look at his minor league OBP numbers. He still draws a good amount of walks as well. One thing that really caught up to Franmil was his inability to adjust his approach with 2 strikes. He was unable to really tap into any kind of plate discipline. i find it interesting looking at how similar his numbers are right now compared to his time in A+ In 110 Games at A+ Daytona: PA: 461 R: 71 H: 110 2B: 19 3B: 4 HR: 8 RBI 41 SB: 25 BB: 58 SO: 105 BA : .277 OBP: .375 SLG: .406 OPS: .781 TB: 161 IN 112 Games at AA: PA: 454 R: 53 H: 86 2B: 10 3B: 3 HR: 8 RBI 37 SB: 20 BB: 61 SO: 108 BA : .225 OBP: .335 SLG: .329 OPS: .664 TB: 126 www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=tramme000tayQuick analysis: 1. Defenses he is facing are better than earlier in his career, teams have scouted him and they have his number. 2. Offensive Effort is consistent between levels, however his defense is regressing to below avg for his position. Bottomline: He is going to have a tough time making it to the majors without some adjustments. I question his ability to make those adjustments.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 19, 2019 9:53:00 GMT -8
Look at his minor league OBP numbers. He still draws a good amount of walks as well. One thing that really caught up to Franmil was his inability to adjust his approach with 2 strikes. He was unable to really tap into any kind of plate discipline. i find it interesting looking at how similar his numbers are right now compared to his time in A+ In 110 Games at A+ Daytona: PA: 461 R: 71 H: 110 2B: 19 3B: 4 HR: 8 RBI 41 SB: 25 BB: 58 SO: 105 BA : .277 OBP: .375 SLG: .406 OPS: .781 TB: 161 IN 112 Games at AA: PA: 454 R: 53 H: 86 2B: 10 3B: 3 HR: 8 RBI 37 SB: 20 BB: 61 SO: 108 BA : .225 OBP: .335 SLG: .329 OPS: .664 TB: 126 www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=tramme000tayQuick analysis: 1. Defenses he is facing are better than earlier in his career, teams have scouted him and they have his number. 2. Offensive Effort is consistent between levels, however his defense is regressing to below avg for his position. Bottomline: He is going to have a tough time making it to the majors without some adjustments. I question his ability to make those adjustments. Just looking at his batting average this season, what concerns me is the regression since he hit .254 in June, .216 in July, and .169 so far in August.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2019 10:34:35 GMT -8
Baseball Prospectus on Trammell this morning - "Good athlete, quick twitch explosivenss. Plus bat speed, good barrel control. Plus run times to first base. Defensive instincts not great, but uses excellent closing speed enough to be an above average left fielder. Pitch recognition has some holes, but significant upside if he can tap into the raw power or improve outfield execution."
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Post by aardvark on Aug 19, 2019 10:52:51 GMT -8
Baseball Prospectus on Trammell this morning - "Good athlete, quick twitch explosivenss. Plus bat speed, good barrel control. Plus run times to first base. Defensive instincts not great, but uses excellent closing speed enough to be an above average left fielder. Pitch recognition has some holes, but significant upside if he can tap into the raw power or improve outfield execution." He is young, so I hope he grows into this projection. But this season, the numbers say otherwise--especially since the trade.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2019 12:27:29 GMT -8
Baseball Prospectus on Trammell this morning - "Good athlete, quick twitch explosivenss. Plus bat speed, good barrel control. Plus run times to first base. Defensive instincts not great, but uses excellent closing speed enough to be an above average left fielder. Pitch recognition has some holes, but significant upside if he can tap into the raw power or improve outfield execution." He is young, so I hope he grows into this projection. But this season, the numbers say otherwise--especially since the trade. And the guy we traded away is now worth 0.1 WAR this season.
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Post by azteca on Aug 19, 2019 12:40:15 GMT -8
But it’s hard to replace 28 home runs!
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Post by aardvark on Aug 19, 2019 14:15:31 GMT -8
He is young, so I hope he grows into this projection. But this season, the numbers say otherwise--especially since the trade. And the guy we traded away is now worth 0.1 WAR this season. I wish we could have gotten more for Reyes, but there wan't that much of a market for him. Time will tell if Trammell will work out. Frankly, I have my doubts. Hopefully, he will eventually prove me wrong.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2019 16:34:24 GMT -8
But it’s hard to replace 28 home runs! Nope.
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Post by survalli on Aug 19, 2019 19:09:49 GMT -8
But it’s hard to replace 28 home runs! Nope. doubt we will have anyone on this team hit 28 home run in half a season this year.
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Post by azteca on Aug 19, 2019 20:02:30 GMT -8
But it’s hard to replace 28 home runs! Nope. Ryan, as much as I respect your opinion on baseball matters, you’re being obstinate when it comes to this trade. For you to say it’s not hard to replace 27 or 28 home runs in a little over a half season tells me you’ll defend your original opinion of the trade regardless. You rely on stats, in this case you have little defense. If Reyes were 29 or 30 I could possibly understand your thinking, but Reyes is only 24. That is awfully early to give up on him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 4:51:57 GMT -8
Ryan, as much as I respect your opinion on baseball matters, you’re being obstinate when it comes to this trade. For you to say it’s not hard to replace 27 or 28 home runs in a little over a half season tells me you’ll defend your original opinion of the trade regardless. You rely on stats, in this case you have little defense. If Reyes were 29 or 30 I could possibly understand your thinking, but Reyes is only 24. That is awfully early to give up on him. He's also got a very friendly contract for 4 more seasons for a guy who has 40-50 HR a season potential. But agree w/ Ryan, he is better off in the AL as a DH.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2019 9:28:12 GMT -8
doubt we will have anyone on this team hit 28 home run in half a season this year. Uh, Hunter Renfroe already did.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2019 9:31:49 GMT -8
Ryan, as much as I respect your opinion on baseball matters, you’re being obstinate when it comes to this trade. For you to say it’s not hard to replace 27 or 28 home runs in a little over a half season tells me you’ll defend your original opinion of the trade regardless. You rely on stats, in this case you have little defense. If Reyes were 29 or 30 I could possibly understand your thinking, but Reyes is only 24. That is awfully early to give up on him. He's also got a very friendly contract for 4 more seasons for a guy who has 40-50 HR a season potential. But agree w/ Ryan, he is better off in the AL as a DH. The fact that he is a replacement level player (cannot stress that enough) despite being a 40 home run player tells you literally all you need to know. And that isn't the answer here, because the Padres are going to shatter their franchise home run record (along with basically half of baseball) and they still aren't winning. Starting three right handed outfielders also is a major problem.
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Post by survalli on Aug 20, 2019 10:24:22 GMT -8
doubt we will have anyone on this team hit 28 home run in half a season this year. Uh, Hunter Renfroe already did. referring to the second half. why would i say this if i already knew that Reyes already accomplished this? i would have "Else" . or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:41:47 GMT -8
He's also got a very friendly contract for 4 more seasons for a guy who has 40-50 HR a season potential. But agree w/ Ryan, he is better off in the AL as a DH. The fact that he is a replacement level player (cannot stress that enough) despite being a 40 home run player tells you literally all you need to know. And that isn't the answer here, because the Padres are going to shatter their franchise home run record (along with basically half of baseball) and they still aren't winning. Starting three right handed outfielders also is a major problem. Agreed. The Indians had a need for cheap power particularly in the OF and DH, and had pitching to trade. It made sense.
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Post by azteca on Aug 20, 2019 12:09:49 GMT -8
That remains to be seen with regards to the Padres. If Trammell washes out, it was a big waste.
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