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Post by aztecryan on Aug 13, 2019 14:41:35 GMT -8
I would have rather seen The Pads acquire a front line SP for Franmil. Right now Trammell is on track for September of NEXT year. 7-42 in Amarillo (.167) is not instilling confidence that he will be taking at bats away from Naylor or Margot anytime soon. That is interesting, I thought that the Padres world class minor league developmental eyes had immediately fixed a flaw in Trammels swing and corrected his launch angle and path to the ball? Last week it was like he was "cured". Let me guess- he has an very unlucky, almost heard of BABIP this month? LOL Franmil was not going to net a frontline starting pitcher, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 18:48:01 GMT -8
That is interesting, I thought that the Padres world class minor league developmental eyes had immediately fixed a flaw in Trammels swing and corrected his launch angle and path to the ball? Last week it was like he was "cured". Let me guess- he has an very unlucky, almost heard of BABIP this month? LOL Franmil was not going to net a frontline starting pitcher, unfortunately. I agree. But that wasn’t my comment, it was another posters.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 13, 2019 21:26:14 GMT -8
Carl Edwards Jr joins the Padres today from El Paso. Gerardo Reyes sent to El Paso in the corresponding move. I really hope the good Carl Edwards Jr shows up, instead of the struggling 2019 version. Edwards needs to get it going. Rough start for him.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 13, 2019 22:15:27 GMT -8
Carl Edwards Jr joins the Padres today from El Paso. Gerardo Reyes sent to El Paso in the corresponding move. I really hope the good Carl Edwards Jr shows up, instead of the struggling 2019 version. Edwards needs to get it going. Rough start for him. Now on the 10 day IL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 5:46:57 GMT -8
Carl Edwards Jr joins the Padres today from El Paso. Gerardo Reyes sent to El Paso in the corresponding move. I really hope the good Carl Edwards Jr shows up, instead of the struggling 2019 version. Edwards needs to get it going. Rough start for him. He was pitching terribly in CHI, not sure why anyone has high expectations for him here. Seems like a reclamation project, but I do not expect any contributions from him in 2019.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 14, 2019 9:07:02 GMT -8
Edwards needs to get it going. Rough start for him. He was pitching terribly in CHI, not sure why anyone has high expectations for him here. Seems like a reclamation project, but I do not expect any contributions from him in 2019. he pitched well in 2017 and 2018. Certainly worth a chance, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 10:46:06 GMT -8
He was pitching terribly in CHI, not sure why anyone has high expectations for him here. Seems like a reclamation project, but I do not expect any contributions from him in 2019. he pitched well in 2017 and 2018. Certainly worth a chance, IMO. I agree completely. But, that's sort of a different topic. I did not suggest he was not worth a chance, but rather that expectations for THIS year should be low given how bad he looked so far in Chicago.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 14, 2019 19:13:48 GMT -8
Trammell, after going 0-5 with 4 K's, is now 8-50. A .160 average. 7 BB and 18 K's in 14 games.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 15, 2019 0:41:43 GMT -8
That is interesting, I thought that the Padres world class minor league developmental eyes had immediately fixed a flaw in Trammels swing and corrected his launch angle and path to the ball? Last week it was like he was "cured". Let me guess- he has an very unlucky, almost heard of BABIP this month? LOL Franmil was not going to net a frontline starting pitcher, unfortunately. Agreed, but Franmil plus another HTP might have landed a solid #2 or 3 SP. Too late anyway, this season is looking like another sub .500 effort.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:05:54 GMT -8
Trammell, after going 0-5 with 4 K's, is now 8-50. A .160 average. 7 BB and 18 K's in 14 games. YIKES!
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 15, 2019 10:15:27 GMT -8
Franmil was not going to net a frontline starting pitcher, unfortunately. Agreed, but Franmil plus another HTP might have landed a solid #2 or 3 SP. Too late anyway, this season is looking like another sub .500 effort. Franmil had very little value by himself. The Padres needed to get more balanced in the outfield, removing the redundancy of Renfroe and Reyes. That was the objective of the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -8
Agreed, but Franmil plus another HTP might have landed a solid #2 or 3 SP. Too late anyway, this season is looking like another sub .500 effort. Franmil had very little value by himself. The Padres needed to get more balanced in the outfield, removing the redundancy of Renfroe and Reyes. That was the objective of the deal. Certainly true (the redundancy) but it doesn't mean you can't get solid return value from an AL club that craves power. Being top ten in the ML's in homeruns has value today. Now, whether or not Preller GOT solid return value......we will know in 2-3 years. Franmil is also heating up a little in CLE after a frigid start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:44:30 GMT -8
You guys can applaud the trade without diminishing Franmil Reyes's value. Both can be true.
By some of the "he doesnt play defense, only hit homeruns" logic in some posts above, you would think some posters saw little value in guys like David Ortiz, Adam Dunn, Jeromy Burnitz, etc.
SDP wanted to not have two power hitting OFs, with limited range and DEF ability. But did they sell too low on Franmil Reyes? Should they have pushed CLE to include Aaron Civale or Tristan McKenzie? Or a different prospect?
Will be fun to look back in 2021 and 2022 and see where each player is.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 15, 2019 11:18:15 GMT -8
You guys can applaud the trade without diminishing Franmil Reyes's value. Both can be true. By some of the "he doesnt play defense, only hit homeruns" logic in some posts above, you would think some posters saw little value in guys like David Ortiz, Adam Dunn, Jeromy Burnitz, etc. SDP wanted to not have two power hitting OFs, with limited range and DEF ability. But did they sell too low on Franmil Reyes? Should they have pushed CLE to include Aaron Civale or Tristan McKenzie? Or a different prospect? Will be fun to look back in 2021 and 2022 and see where each player is. The Myers contract (at least, the $22.5 million per year part starting next season) forced the Padres hand, IMO. Do you think the Padres should have traded Renfroe instead of Reyes?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:05:29 GMT -8
No, I would have kept Renfroe.
And again, Trammel still might work out. Jury is out.
Trading Franmil may have been a great idea, but I remain skeptical on the deal they TOOK being a great idea.
Just out of curiosity, how did Myers contract force their hand in trading a guy making league minimum? Are you referring to the logjam of limited defensive ability sluggers in the OF? That I would get, if that is what you mean.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 15, 2019 12:22:49 GMT -8
No, I would have kept Renfroe. And again, Trammel still might work out. Jury is out. Trading Franmil may have been a great idea, but I remain skeptical on the deal they TOOK being a great idea. Just out of curiosity, how did Myers contract force their hand in trading a guy making league minimum? Are you referring to the logjam of limited defensive ability sluggers in the OF? That I would get, if that is what you mean. Honestly, at this point, I think the Padres would have LOVED to trade Myers. But with that huge bump in pay, the Padres are stuck with him. They had to move an outfielder. Reyes was the odd man out, IMO. You apparently wanted to keep Reyes, and you wouldn't have traded Renfroe. Who would you have traded?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:30:28 GMT -8
Hi Aardvark,
Not correct, amigo. I think you misunderstood me.
Let me clarify-
I did NOT have a problem trading Reyes. I am simply skeptical they got proper VALUE for him. We'll see tho.
Here's hoping Trammel develops.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:46:52 GMT -8
I think my main point is 40-50 homerun guys do not grow on trees, and I may disagree with some on his perceived value.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 15, 2019 14:57:15 GMT -8
Hi Aardvark, Not correct, amigo. I think you misunderstood me. Let me clarify- I did NOT have a problem trading Reyes. I am simply skeptical they got proper VALUE for him. We'll see tho. Here's hoping Trammel develops. You're right. I did misunderstand you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 15:57:28 GMT -8
Franmil had very little value by himself. The Padres needed to get more balanced in the outfield, removing the redundancy of Renfroe and Reyes. That was the objective of the deal. Certainly true (the redundancy) but it doesn't mean you can't get solid return value from an AL club that craves power. Being top ten in the ML's in homeruns has value today. Now, whether or not Preller GOT solid return value......we will know in 2-3 years. Franmil is also heating up a little in CLE after a frigid start. The Padres could have waited until next season and got a lot more value for a guy that most likely was on pace to hit 40+ HR's. They could of got what the Friars desperately need. They are need of some veteran pitching. Soon!!
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