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Post by richpjr on Jun 10, 2019 21:12:21 GMT -8
Early reports are that KD tore his Achilles tonight - ouch! Not a great way to head into free agency. Warriors still had enough to beat the Raptors in Toronto. Now we have series!
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Post by laaztec on Jun 10, 2019 21:19:41 GMT -8
Early reports are that KD tore his Achilles tonight - ouch! Not a great way to head into free agency. Warriors still had enough to beat the Raptors in Toronto. Now we have series! Forced it and came back too soon. Now you know why Kawhi took an entire season off to get right before getting back on the court.
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Post by fisherville on Jun 10, 2019 22:03:37 GMT -8
Watching GM's Bob Myers press conference he looked guilty as *hit
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 11, 2019 5:52:20 GMT -8
Watching GM's Bob Myers press conference he looked guilty as *hit He naturally feels that way, but it's a collaborative decision with the final say always being the players.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 11, 2019 6:06:14 GMT -8
Watching GM's Bob Myers press conference he looked guilty as *hit He naturally feels that way, but it's a collaborative decision with the final say always being the players. The final say should never be the player's. It's the team's responsibility to err on the side of caution. The doctor should have independent veto power. Additionally, no one should play with a partially torn Achilles. That's just nuts. A typical Achilles injury takes an entire year to fully recover from. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that KD should've been made to sit. Sheesh. And this isn't some Monday morning QB-ing. I said the same thing last week.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jun 11, 2019 6:24:49 GMT -8
Looney may also be out with his collar bone.
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Post by junior on Jun 11, 2019 9:51:28 GMT -8
KD and Looney made the difference for them last night. It was win or go home without the title. Any competitor would've stepped up to that challenge unless they were hospitalized and under sedation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 9:52:44 GMT -8
It’s hard not to second guess Nick Nurse’s decision to call two timeouts when the Raptors had the momentum in the fourth quarter. Both teams were tired but I think that the two stoppages benefited the Warriors over a surging Raptors team. Also, I would have liked to see Kawhi take that final shot.
That said, Nurse has done a masterful job this season and particularly in these playoffs. It’s been quite remarkable what Toronto has accomplished especially when considering that their starting five played just 16 regular season games together.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 11, 2019 12:14:13 GMT -8
He naturally feels that way, but it's a collaborative decision with the final say always being the players. The final say should never be the player's. It's the team's responsibility to err on the side of caution. The doctor should have independent veto power. Additionally, no one should play with a partially torn Achilles. That's just nuts. A typical Achilles injury takes an entire year to fully recover from. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that KD should've been made to sit. Sheesh. And this isn't some Monday morning QB-ing. I said the same thing last week. KD had a partially torn Achilles tendon? I thought his injury that has kept him out was a lower leg injury(calf). Hmmmm.... Everybody has been saying that this a new injury.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 11, 2019 12:17:27 GMT -8
He naturally feels that way, but it's a collaborative decision with the final say always being the players. The final say should never be the player's. It's the team's responsibility to err on the side of caution. The doctor should have independent veto power. Additionally, no one should play with a partially torn Achilles. That's just nuts. A typical Achilles injury takes an entire year to fully recover from. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that KD should've been made to sit. Sheesh. And this isn't some Monday morning QB-ing. I said the same thing last week. Maybe they had been erring on the side of caution up to this point. Doctors listen to a player who knows their own body. If he was technically rushed back by the doctor, which I don't think happened since he was cleared by everybody, then I agree with you.
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Post by namssa on Jun 11, 2019 13:10:01 GMT -8
KD's injury last night actually validates Kawhi' decision to no play in the playoffs last year. He said he wasn't ready and got a lot of flack for it, but now proved he was right. This could have happened to Kawhi if he came back early but to his credit he stuck to his guns and came back the following year stronger than ever. Kudos to Kawhi.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jun 11, 2019 20:27:49 GMT -8
I guess the Raptors go at Curry make him play D and wear him down.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Jun 12, 2019 5:46:57 GMT -8
KD's injury last night actually validates Kawhi' decision to no play in the playoffs last year. He said he wasn't ready and got a lot of flack for it, but now proved he was right. This could have happened to Kawhi if he came back early but to his credit he stuck to his guns and came back the following year stronger than ever. Kudos to Kawhi. Maybe....or maybe not. Kawhi is possibly so enigmatic and rogue that he just wanted to tell " the man ", F...you, and operate his brand on his terms?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 7:48:13 GMT -8
KD's injury last night actually validates Kawhi' decision to no play in the playoffs last year. He said he wasn't ready and got a lot of flack for it, but now proved he was right. This could have happened to Kawhi if he came back early but to his credit he stuck to his guns and came back the following year stronger than ever. Kudos to Kawhi. Maybe....or maybe not. Kawhi is possibly so enigmatic and rogue that he just wanted to tell " the man ", F...you, and operate his brand on his terms? Your premise hinges on the idea that Kawhi’s lost season was more calculated power play than actual injury. There is strong evidence that this premise is wrong. The most compelling piece of evidence being Leonard’s physical struggles this year. Compared to his pre 2017/2018 self, he lacked explosion, elevation, stamina and quickness all season long. I watched almost every game that he played this year and many games throughout his career. Even as he put up points and grabbed steals and rebounds it was clear that he wasn’t quite the same player physically.
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Post by docmm on Jun 12, 2019 8:47:19 GMT -8
It’s hard not to second guess Nick Nurse’s decision to call two timeouts when the Raptors had the momentum in the fourth quarter. Both teams were tired but I think that the two stoppages benefited the Warriors over a surging Raptors team. Also, I would have liked to see Kawhi take that final shot. That said, Nurse has done a masterful job this season and particularly in these playoffs. It’s been quite remarkable what Toronto has accomplished especially when considering that their starting five played just 16 regular season games together. I think the TO was more to give Kawhi a rest more than anything else. He played more minutes than anyone except Lowry and he had just raced up and down the court working for the four shots he made over a very fast-paced previous two minutes. And Nurse was going to lose the TO if he didn't use it in the next 5 seconds. Coaches are always getting criticized for losing TOs they could have used. They lost because they missed 5 shots (2 by Kawhi) and had 1 turnover all in the final 3 minutes. Kawhi should have taken the last shot but only if they cleared out half the court so he couldn't get double-teamed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 9:17:34 GMT -8
It’s hard not to second guess Nick Nurse’s decision to call two timeouts when the Raptors had the momentum in the fourth quarter. Both teams were tired but I think that the two stoppages benefited the Warriors over a surging Raptors team. Also, I would have liked to see Kawhi take that final shot. That said, Nurse has done a masterful job this season and particularly in these playoffs. It’s been quite remarkable what Toronto has accomplished especially when considering that their starting five played just 16 regular season games together. I think the TO was more to give Kawhi a rest more than anything else. He played more minutes than anyone except Lowry and he had just raced up and down the court working for the four shots he made over a very fast-paced previous two minutes. And Nurse was going to lose the TO if he didn't use it in the next 5 seconds. Coaches are always getting criticized for losing TOs they could have used. They lost because they missed 5 shots (2 by Kawhi) and had 1 turnover all in the final 3 minutes. Kawhi should have taken the last shot but only if they cleared out half the court so he couldn't get double-teamed. I saw a stat that listed Kyle Lowry as converting on 6% on such shots since entering the league (dead last) while Kawhi has converted at above 45% (number one.)
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Post by standiego on Jun 12, 2019 9:37:10 GMT -8
So the Warriors set up to double or even triple K. L. so he would have to pass the ball
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Post by docmm on Jun 12, 2019 10:02:13 GMT -8
I think the TO was more to give Kawhi a rest more than anything else. He played more minutes than anyone except Lowry and he had just raced up and down the court working for the four shots he made over a very fast-paced previous two minutes. And Nurse was going to lose the TO if he didn't use it in the next 5 seconds. Coaches are always getting criticized for losing TOs they could have used. They lost because they missed 5 shots (2 by Kawhi) and had 1 turnover all in the final 3 minutes. Kawhi should have taken the last shot but only if they cleared out half the court so he couldn't get double-teamed. I saw a stat that listed Kyle Lowry as converting on 6% on such shots since entering the league (dead last) while Kawhi has converted at above 45% (number one.) I think you can kind of blame Gasol for the last shot problem. Gasol is pushing Draymond Green out to the corner 3 pt line as the ball is heading towards Lowry. If he doesn't do that, Green doesn't get a hand on the ball. Either he should have been on the other side of Green to screen him from Lowry or he should have held his hand up heading towards the rim to receive the ball because he was between Green and the basket.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 12:18:40 GMT -8
I saw a stat that listed Kyle Lowry as converting on 6% on such shots since entering the league (dead last) while Kawhi has converted at above 45% (number one.) I think you can kind of blame Gasol for the last shot problem. Gasol is pushing Draymond Green out to the corner 3 pt line as the ball is heading towards Lowry. If he doesn't do that, Green doesn't get a hand on the ball. Either he should have been on the other side of Green to screen him from Lowry or he should have held his hand up heading towards the rim to receive the ball because he was between Green and the basket. It was a mistake in execution. Green fronted Gasol and Marc seemed to be creating space in the lane for a Kawhi drive and/or preventing a green double team on the ball. Instead, the double team came from Iguodala and Gasol’s spacing allowed Green to effectively deny the pass inside while also being in position to contest Lowry’s shot. Had Mark made a timely move to the basket, Toronto gets an open look at the rim or an uncontested shot from the perimeter. Still, Toronto was a fingertip away from getting a good shot up and Gasol had a good game overall.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Jun 12, 2019 17:22:33 GMT -8
Maybe....or maybe not. Kawhi is possibly so enigmatic and rogue that he just wanted to tell " the man ", F...you, and operate his brand on his terms? Your premise hinges on the idea that Kawhi’s lost season was more calculated power play than actual injury. There is strong evidence that this premise is wrong. The most compelling piece of evidence being Leonard’s physical struggles this year. Compared to his pre 2017/2018 self, he lacked explosion, elevation, stamina and quickness all season long. I watched almost every game that he played this year and many games throughout his career. Even as he put up points and grabbed steals and rebounds it was clear that he wasn’t quite the same player physically. My premise also hinges on NONE of us knowing Kawhi, his pain threshold or his personal motives.... Your point is well-taken and you may be correct....
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