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Post by ignoranus on Jul 31, 2019 9:37:29 GMT -8
For Reyes alone the Padres had better be getting a guy of near Tatis' potential and performance, or this is one of their dumbest moves ever (27 homers as of 7-30-2019, plus 16 hit last year). Reyes can be an AL star DH for many years to come.
He is worth more than a guy who is struggling at the AA minor league level.
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Post by azteca on Jul 31, 2019 10:02:30 GMT -8
On paper, this trade doesn't look great for the Padres and plenty of writers and anonymously quoted MLB execs are questioning it on their side. OTOH, some are saying Trammel (despite his down year) has the tools to be a future star if he develops. Two time Futures game participant. Note, he is not supposed to be a very good defensive outfielder either (like Reyes), but has alot of offensive upside. Logan Allen has been s#!++y, both at El Paso and up with the club but is still only 22. The key phrase here is “if he develops” but if he doesn’t it will be a complete bust of a trade, which I think it already is😳😳😳 |
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Post by Den60 on Jul 31, 2019 11:12:02 GMT -8
For Reyes alone the Padres had better be getting a guy of near Tatis' potential and performance, or this is one of their dumbest moves ever (27 homers as of 7-30-2019, plus 16 hit last year). Reyes can be an AL star DH for many years to come. He is worth more than a guy who is struggling at the AA minor league level. And the National League doesn't have a DH. I like Reyes, love his positive energy, but he will never be a good defensive outfielder. It just takes him too long to get going. |
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Post by ignoranus on Jul 31, 2019 12:00:59 GMT -8
I would like to have seen Reyes playing at around 250 pounds. The Padres should have taken another year to figure out just what sort of player he could be.
I know that the NL does not use the DH; although it is being considered for the future. Cleveland plays in the AL and should appreciate Reyes as an DH option.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 31, 2019 12:36:39 GMT -8
I would think Ryan or someone else will get on this thread and explain what Preller has done with this trade, but I'm not sure I understand it. And I am not defending Reyes, as he is a liability on defense, but that is a lot of power to be trading away, and for what? A AA outfielder who is 2 years younger and hitting .236. I mean, in total, the Padres sent 3 players away to acquire a AA outfielder. And apparently, that's it for the trades. I just don't get it.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 31, 2019 13:26:59 GMT -8
Brad Wieck to the Cubs for Carl Edwards Jr. Edwards Jr was good in 2017 and 2018. Perhaps a change of scenery will help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 13:27:15 GMT -8
I would think Ryan or someone else will get on this thread and explain what Preller has done with this trade, but I'm not sure I understand it. And I am not defending Reyes, as he is a liability on defense, but that is a lot of power to be trading away, and for what? A AA outfielder who is 2 years younger and hitting .236. I mean, in total, the Padres sent 3 players away to acquire a AA outfielder. And apparently, that's it for the trades. I just don't get it. I'm not sure there is an explanation. And I don't think Mr positive Ryan can explain it either. This trade makes absolutely no sense. The Padres ownership is spending money and Preller continues to mystify. When is enough enough? As far as I'm concerned, Preller and Green can find the exit. I will admit I was wrong if this pans out in 2020. Or is it 2021 2022 or whenever? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 31, 2019 15:56:38 GMT -8
I would think Ryan or someone else will get on this thread and explain what Preller has done with this trade, but I'm not sure I understand it. And I am not defending Reyes, as he is a liability on defense, but that is a lot of power to be trading away, and for what? A AA outfielder who is 2 years younger and hitting .236. I mean, in total, the Padres sent 3 players away to acquire a AA outfielder. And apparently, that's it for the trades. I just don't get it. I'm not sure there is an explanation. And I don't think Mr positive Ryan can explain it either. This trade makes absolutely no sense. The Padres ownership is spending money and Preller continues to mystify. When is enough enough? As far as I'm concerned, Preller and Green can find the exit. I will admit I was wrong if this pans out in 2020. Or is it 2021 2022 or whenever? If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) because I'm not looking at stat lines. I'm looking at assets. Franmil, for how wonderful he is in the clubhouse, is a DH. Last in baseball in right fielders in defensive runs saved, with a major knee injury already in his rearview. His body type and profile is extremely hard to sustain over time. As the injuries mounted this year, you saw the slumps start to get worse. Renfroe and Reyes are what I've coined "redundancies." Extremely similar on offense : Low average, low OBP, high strikeout/ISO dependent players. Carrying them both was never realistic long-term. Now, Trammell. Plus athlete, arguably plus plus. Doesn't have the greatest outfield arm, but otherwise he is a plus on defense. Offensively, the Southern League is not a hitter friendly environment. Trammell is still 2 1/2 years younger than league average, posting a .350 OBP. He's a 108 wRC+ hitter, still above average (league adjusted) despite his low batting average. He has elite walk rates and has maintained his K% jumping from High A to AA. No, he won't hit 40 home runs. But the odds of him being a 20 home run/30 stolen base guy are pretty good. His ceiling is considerably higher than Reyes, just based off of body type and the ability to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Short answer : We got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unprotected in the Rule 5 draft two years ago. Consolidating assets is hugely critical right now with looming 40 man roster crunches coming next year. (The list of players we have to protect is INSANE). The move is a shift towards more offensive balance, which this team desperately needs to succeed. |
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Post by aardvark on Jul 31, 2019 17:38:19 GMT -8
I'm not sure there is an explanation. And I don't think Mr positive Ryan can explain it either. This trade makes absolutely no sense. The Padres ownership is spending money and Preller continues to mystify. When is enough enough? As far as I'm concerned, Preller and Green can find the exit. I will admit I was wrong if this pans out in 2020. Or is it 2021 2022 or whenever? If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) because I'm not looking at stat lines. I'm looking at assets. Franmil, for how wonderful he is in the clubhouse, is a DH. Last in baseball in right fielders in defensive runs saved, with a major knee injury already in his rearview. His body type and profile is extremely hard to sustain over time. As the injuries mounted this year, you saw the slumps start to get worse. Renfroe and Reyes are what I've coined "redundancies." Extremely similar on offense : Low average, low OBP, high strikeout/ISO dependent players. Carrying them both was never realistic long-term. Now, Trammell. Plus athlete, arguably plus plus. Doesn't have the greatest outfield arm, but otherwise he is a plus on defense. Offensively, the Southern League is not a hitter friendly environment. Trammell is still 2 1/2 years younger than league average, posting a .350 OBP. He's a 108 wRC+ hitter, still above average (league adjusted) despite his low batting average. He has elite walk rates and has maintained his K% jumping from High A to AA. No, he won't hit 40 home runs. But the odds of him being a 20 home run/30 stolen base guy are pretty good. His ceiling is considerably higher than Reyes, just based off of body type and the ability to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Short answer : We got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unprotected in the Rule 5 draft two years ago. Consolidating assets is hugely critical right now with looming 40 man roster crunches coming next year. (The list of players we have to protect is INSANE). The move is a shift towards more offensive balance, which this team desperately needs to succeed. Just not sold on the trade for Trammell. And...I think Trammell falls behind Edward Olivares, who is having a solid season in Amarillo. |
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Post by azteca on Jul 31, 2019 17:54:38 GMT -8
If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) because I'm not looking at stat lines. I'm looking at assets. Franmil, for how wonderful he is in the clubhouse, is a DH. Last in baseball in right fielders in defensive runs saved, with a major knee injury already in his rearview. His body type and profile is extremely hard to sustain over time. As the injuries mounted this year, you saw the slumps start to get worse. Renfroe and Reyes are what I've coined "redundancies." Extremely similar on offense : Low average, low OBP, high strikeout/ISO dependent players. Carrying them both was never realistic long-term. Now, Trammell. Plus athlete, arguably plus plus. Doesn't have the greatest outfield arm, but otherwise he is a plus on defense. Offensively, the Southern League is not a hitter friendly environment. Trammell is still 2 1/2 years younger than league average, posting a .350 OBP. He's a 108 wRC+ hitter, still above average (league adjusted) despite his low batting average. He has elite walk rates and has maintained his K% jumping from High A to AA. No, he won't hit 40 home runs. But the odds of him being a 20 home run/30 stolen base guy are pretty good. His ceiling is considerably higher than Reyes, just based off of body type and the ability to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Short answer : We got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unprotected in the Rule 5 draft two years ago. Consolidating assets is hugely critical right now with looming 40 man roster crunches coming next year. (The list of players we have to protect is INSANE). The move is a shift towards more offensive balance, which this team desperately needs to succeed. Just not sold on the trade for Trammell. And...I think Trammell falls behind Edward Olivares, who is having a solid season in Amarillo. Ryan, I know you have been talking down on Reyes for some time and that’s your perogative. But time will tell whether you are right or not. I know you pride yourself on being an “expert” but I think this one will come back and bite the Pads in the butt big time👎🏻 |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 31, 2019 19:02:25 GMT -8
Man o chevitz! This guy Trammell is 2-3 years away, if he is struggling at AA it might be longer. Preller traded a 35+ HR guy for that? I don’t care about “player prospect rankings”, I care if the guy can rake MLB pitching, which Franmil has shown he definitely can. The jury’s still out on the .230 hitting speedster if he can swing with Major League arms The Padres need catching 2B and a frontline starter, not another OF prospect with a below average glove.
The Pads didn’t get enough for the Franimal.
Probably the most disappointing thing about the Padres isn’t on the field, it’s that they have been preempted by WTT New York Empire vs. the San Diego Aviators.
I am now an Amanda Anisimova fan.
Since the Padres and the City of San Diego refuse to clean up the neighborhood around Petco Poop and since I refuse to get burped on by homeless bums and Pay $16 for flat micro beer, if there is no television coverage this franchise is officially off my radar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 6:56:09 GMT -8
I'm not sure there is an explanation. And I don't think Mr positive Ryan can explain it either. This trade makes absolutely no sense. The Padres ownership is spending money and Preller continues to mystify. When is enough enough? As far as I'm concerned, Preller and Green can find the exit. I will admit I was wrong if this pans out in 2020. Or is it 2021 2022 or whenever? If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) Not sure if that was taking a dig at you. It was pretty spot on. 😀 |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2019 8:53:37 GMT -8
If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) because I'm not looking at stat lines. I'm looking at assets. Franmil, for how wonderful he is in the clubhouse, is a DH. Last in baseball in right fielders in defensive runs saved, with a major knee injury already in his rearview. His body type and profile is extremely hard to sustain over time. As the injuries mounted this year, you saw the slumps start to get worse. Renfroe and Reyes are what I've coined "redundancies." Extremely similar on offense : Low average, low OBP, high strikeout/ISO dependent players. Carrying them both was never realistic long-term. Now, Trammell. Plus athlete, arguably plus plus. Doesn't have the greatest outfield arm, but otherwise he is a plus on defense. Offensively, the Southern League is not a hitter friendly environment. Trammell is still 2 1/2 years younger than league average, posting a .350 OBP. He's a 108 wRC+ hitter, still above average (league adjusted) despite his low batting average. He has elite walk rates and has maintained his K% jumping from High A to AA. No, he won't hit 40 home runs. But the odds of him being a 20 home run/30 stolen base guy are pretty good. His ceiling is considerably higher than Reyes, just based off of body type and the ability to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Short answer : We got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unprotected in the Rule 5 draft two years ago. Consolidating assets is hugely critical right now with looming 40 man roster crunches coming next year. (The list of players we have to protect is INSANE). The move is a shift towards more offensive balance, which this team desperately needs to succeed. Just not sold on the trade for Trammell. And...I think Trammell falls behind Edward Olivares, who is having a solid season in Amarillo. Amarillo is a bandbox. Olivares is 23. One is a top prospect, the other isn't on any top 100 list anywhere. Padres needed to trade either Reyes or Renfroe, defense won out in the end. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2019 8:56:30 GMT -8
Just not sold on the trade for Trammell. And...I think Trammell falls behind Edward Olivares, who is having a solid season in Amarillo. Ryan, I know you have been talking down on Reyes for some time and that’s your perogative. But time will tell whether you are right or not. I know you pride yourself on being an “expert” but I think this one will come back and bite the Pads in the butt big time👎🏻 I am no expert, but I like to talk to those who are. Sure, every trade has risk. The Padres needed to accomplish three things here : Get some offensive balance with a left handed hitter (yep), improve defensive athleticism in the outfield (yep) and shift away from a power-centric offensive approach (check)....We shall see. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2019 8:57:24 GMT -8
Man o chevitz! This guy Trammell is 2-3 years away, if he is struggling at AA it might be longer. Preller traded a 35+ HR guy for that? I don’t care about “player prospect rankings”, I care if the guy can rake MLB pitching, which Franmil has shown he definitely can. The jury’s still out on the .230 hitting speedster if he can swing with Major League arms The Padres need catching 2B and a frontline starter, not another OF prospect with a below average glove. The Pads didn’t get enough for the Franimal. Probably the most disappointing thing about the Padres isn’t on the field, it’s that they have been preempted by WTT New York Empire vs. the San Diego Aviators. I am now an Amanda Anisimova fan. Since the Padres and the City of San Diego refuse to clean up the neighborhood around Petco Poop and since I refuse to get burped on by homeless bums and Pay $16 for flat micro beer, if there is no television coverage this franchise is officially off my radar. There are so many things incorrect here, it just isn't worth it. Bye? |
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Post by aardvark on Aug 1, 2019 9:01:48 GMT -8
Just not sold on the trade for Trammell. And...I think Trammell falls behind Edward Olivares, who is having a solid season in Amarillo. Amarillo is a bandbox. Olivares is 23. One is a top prospect, the other isn't on any top 100 list anywhere. Padres needed to trade either Reyes or Renfroe, defense won out in the end. True, and as I have said before, it is also at altitude. The Padres absolutely had to trade either Renfroe or Reyes, and with no DH in the NL, that made Reyes more expendable. And regarding prospects--prospects are suspects until they can prove themselves. Trammell has that chance. I look forward to see the results. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 10:34:46 GMT -8
I'm not sure there is an explanation. And I don't think Mr positive Ryan can explain it either. This trade makes absolutely no sense. The Padres ownership is spending money and Preller continues to mystify. When is enough enough? As far as I'm concerned, Preller and Green can find the exit. I will admit I was wrong if this pans out in 2020. Or is it 2021 2022 or whenever? If you're going to take digs at me, at least make it interesting, folks. (Not you, aardvark). I really like this move (I know that will shock nobody) because I'm not looking at stat lines. I'm looking at assets. Franmil, for how wonderful he is in the clubhouse, is a DH. Last in baseball in right fielders in defensive runs saved, with a major knee injury already in his rearview. His body type and profile is extremely hard to sustain over time. As the injuries mounted this year, you saw the slumps start to get worse. Renfroe and Reyes are what I've coined "redundancies." Extremely similar on offense : Low average, low OBP, high strikeout/ISO dependent players. Carrying them both was never realistic long-term. Now, Trammell. Plus athlete, arguably plus plus. Doesn't have the greatest outfield arm, but otherwise he is a plus on defense. Offensively, the Southern League is not a hitter friendly environment. Trammell is still 2 1/2 years younger than league average, posting a .350 OBP. He's a 108 wRC+ hitter, still above average (league adjusted) despite his low batting average. He has elite walk rates and has maintained his K% jumping from High A to AA. No, he won't hit 40 home runs. But the odds of him being a 20 home run/30 stolen base guy are pretty good. His ceiling is considerably higher than Reyes, just based off of body type and the ability to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Short answer : We got a top 30 prospect for a guy who went unprotected in the Rule 5 draft two years ago. Consolidating assets is hugely critical right now with looming 40 man roster crunches coming next year. (The list of players we have to protect is INSANE). The move is a shift towards more offensive balance, which this team desperately needs to succeed. Agree with him or not, Ryan makes alot of sense here. I for one, agree with him. Reyes has alot of power and we all like him. As an Indians fan, I welcome his power to a league with a DH and a team that is light on pop. The Padres decided to add the top prospect in Cincinnati's farm system who fills a huge position of need. This outfield and this team needs speed, athleticism, and on base potential. .350 OBP isnt exactly world class at AA, but he has shown a knack for walking, getting on base period, and he runs like a deer they say. Curious why he is mostly playing LF in AA and not center...Ryan? Renfroe's presence helps make The Franimal more expendable to trade. I dont LOVE the trade. I think it makes a good deal of sense, and Logan Allen was never going to be in the 2021 starting 5 rotation. |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 1, 2019 10:55:05 GMT -8
He has been playing left because that is where he likely profiles with the 40-ish arm. Amarillo is going to put him in center for the time being.
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Post by AztecBill on Aug 1, 2019 17:29:40 GMT -8
He has been playing left because that is where he likely profiles with the 40-ish arm. Amarillo is going to put him in center for the time being. It isn't a strong arm that determines a CF. Range is the key. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 1, 2019 20:08:15 GMT -8
Man o chevitz! This guy Trammell is 2-3 years away, if he is struggling at AA it might be longer. Preller traded a 35+ HR guy for that? I don’t care about “player prospect rankings”, I care if the guy can rake MLB pitching, which Franmil has shown he definitely can. The jury’s still out on the .230 hitting speedster if he can swing with Major League arms The Padres need catching 2B and a frontline starter, not another OF prospect with a below average glove. The Pads didn’t get enough for the Franimal. Probably the most disappointing thing about the Padres isn’t on the field, it’s that they have been preempted by WTT New York Empire vs. the San Diego Aviators. I am now an Amanda Anisimova fan. Since the Padres and the City of San Diego refuse to clean up the neighborhood around Petco Poop and since I refuse to get burped on by homeless bums and Pay $16 for flat micro beer, if there is no television coverage this franchise is officially off my radar. There are so many things incorrect here, it just isn't worth it. Bye? What an ugly thing to type...does this mean we are no longer friends? |
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