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Post by Gundo on May 25, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -8
This is the list I am following for 2020, any additions or subtractions on your list? My feeling, most likely PF Tarren Frank & PG Anthony Hunter, both 50/50. Thoughts? Obviously, if we offer anyone during this Summer AAU season things may change.
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Coleman Hawkins 6’8 – Prolific Prep – Offered
Evan Mobley 7’0 – Rancho Offered – (Most likely USC)
Tarren Frank 6’7 – Sierra Canyon – Offred
Jason Harris 6’8 – Higley AZ – Offered (May elect to play NCAA Football)
DJ Jackson – 6’10 – San Patrick/St. Vincent – Interest
Chibuzo Agbo 6’7 – St Augustine – Interest
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Jalen Green 6’5 – Prolific Prep – Offered (Aztecs not on Final list)
Nick Blake 6’6 – Middlebrooks – Interest
Marcus Bagley 6’8 - Sheldon – Interest
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Anthony Hunter 6’0 – Durango , LV– Offered
Lamont Butler 6’1 – Riverside Poly Offered
Noah Taliz 6’3 – Bishop Gorman, LV – Offered (Aztecs not on Final list)
Beon Riley 6’5 – Mater Dei – Interest
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Post by Gundo on May 25, 2019 16:26:39 GMT -8
Hawkins and Butler would be "Big Gets" for the Aztecs. 3 spots in 2020 (Narain, Feagin Wetzell) Plus I don't see any early NBA entries on the current roster.
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Post by Frantic on May 26, 2019 11:05:07 GMT -8
Hawkins and Butler would be "Big Gets" for the Aztecs. 3 spots in 2020 (Narain, Feagin Wetzell) Plus I don't see any early NBA entries on the current roster. Let's be blunt. There are no NBA players on the current roster, period. The 2020 class will be a make-or-break recruiting cycle for the program to return to Sweet-16 status - or for that matter to just avoid consistent 4th-place MWC finishes.
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Post by azteccc on May 26, 2019 11:48:41 GMT -8
Hawkins and Butler would be "Big Gets" for the Aztecs. 3 spots in 2020 (Narain, Feagin Wetzell) Plus I don't see any early NBA entries on the current roster. Let's be blunt. There are no NBA players on the current roster, period. The 2020 class will be a make-or-break recruiting cycle for the program to return to Sweet-16 status - or for that matter to just avoid consistent 4th-place MWC finishes. What was your prognostication about Jamaal before he stepped on the court? Xavier?
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Post by Gundo on May 26, 2019 12:15:29 GMT -8
Hawkins and Butler would be "Big Gets" for the Aztecs. 3 spots in 2020 (Narain, Feagin Wetzell) Plus I don't see any early NBA entries on the current roster. Let's be blunt. There are no NBA players on the current roster, period. The 2020 class will be a make-or-break recruiting cycle for the program to return to Sweet-16 status - or for that matter to just avoid consistent 4th-place MWC finishes. Mobley and Green are 5-Star players, but neither will come. Hawkins and Butler are good, HS players and win be a good signing for the Aztecs (within reach) while others have already crossed us off the list.
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Post by Frantic on May 26, 2019 15:38:49 GMT -8
Let's be blunt. There are no NBA players on the current roster, period. The 2020 class will be a make-or-break recruiting cycle for the program to return to Sweet-16 status - or for that matter to just avoid consistent 4th-place MWC finishes. What was your prognostication about Jamaal before he stepped on the court? Xavier? Before they stepped on the court? I had no idea whether either was NBA talent. All I heard about Jamaal is he was freakishly athletic. He was otherwise a mystery, but he was recruited by Hutson so I trusted that Jamaal had talent. As for Xavier Thames, I knew the Aztecs (and Hutson) wanted him badly out of high school. I also knew Xavier didn't see time at WSU because he got caught in a coaching shuffle. (Interesting side note, TJ Obelholtzer at Iowa State wanted Xavier - and both Obelholter and Hutson know talent.) Of the current Aztecs who have stepped on the court for SDSU, I really like Nathan Mensah but I don't see him an an NBA talent. I hope he proves me wrong. Of the Aztecs yet to step on the court for SDSU, I don't see Wetzell or Pullium as NBA material given their past stats. Malachi Flynn can certainly score, but the knock on him (at least from WSU fans) is his defense. I hope he proves me wrong, but there aren't many 6'1" 180 pound guards in the NBA. Keshad Johnson is an interesting prospect and supposedly super athletic, so maybe he can develop into an NBA talent but right now it's too early to know. This past year only 11 MWC players saw time the the NBA.
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Post by standiego on May 26, 2019 15:55:27 GMT -8
sure seems as players move up to 5 and 4 star recruits our chances of signing them drop accordingly
who is going to be our great recruiting coach that can sign them or do we do the "under the radar guys " or work the transfer route ?
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Post by jp92grad on May 26, 2019 16:35:11 GMT -8
What was your prognostication about Jamaal before he stepped on the court? Xavier? Before they stepped on the court? I had no idea whether either was NBA talent. All I heard about Jamaal is he was freakishly athletic. He was otherwise a mystery, but he was recruited by Hutson so I trusted that Jamaal had talent. As for Xavier Thames, I knew the Aztecs (and Hutson) wanted him badly out of high school. I also knew Xavier didn't see time at WSU because he got caught in a coaching shuffle. (Interesting side note, TJ Obelholtzer at Iowa State wanted Xavier - and both Obelholter and Hutson know talent.) Of the current Aztecs who have stepped on the court for SDSU, I really like Nathan Mensah but I don't see him an an NBA talent. I hope he proves me wrong. Of the Aztecs yet to step on the court for SDSU, I don't see Wetzell or Pullium as NBA material given their past stats. Malachi Flynn can certainly score, but the knock on him (at least from WSU fans) is his defense. I hope he proves me wrong, but there aren't many 6'1" 180 pound guards in the NBA. Keshad Johnson is an interesting prospect and supposedly super athletic, so maybe he can develop into an NBA talent but right now it's too early to know. This past year only 11 MWC players saw time the the NBA. Why does everybody seem to worry about who is NBA ready or worthy? Last I checked SDSU plays in the mountain west conference in NCAA. The Aztec's need players that win games in college. Winning will increase visibility and exposure and take care of other possibilities of playing at the next level.
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Post by Frantic on May 26, 2019 16:57:28 GMT -8
Before they stepped on the court? I had no idea whether either was NBA talent. All I heard about Jamaal is he was freakishly athletic. He was otherwise a mystery, but he was recruited by Hutson so I trusted that Jamaal had talent. As for Xavier Thames, I knew the Aztecs (and Hutson) wanted him badly out of high school. I also knew Xavier didn't see time at WSU because he got caught in a coaching shuffle. (Interesting side note, TJ Obelholtzer at Iowa State wanted Xavier - and both Obelholter and Hutson know talent.) Of the current Aztecs who have stepped on the court for SDSU, I really like Nathan Mensah but I don't see him an an NBA talent. I hope he proves me wrong. Of the Aztecs yet to step on the court for SDSU, I don't see Wetzell or Pullium as NBA material given their past stats. Malachi Flynn can certainly score, but the knock on him (at least from WSU fans) is his defense. I hope he proves me wrong, but there aren't many 6'1" 180 pound guards in the NBA. Keshad Johnson is an interesting prospect and supposedly super athletic, so maybe he can develop into an NBA talent but right now it's too early to know. This past year only 11 MWC players saw time the the NBA. Why does everybody seem to worry about who is NBA ready or worthy? Last I checked SDSU plays in the mountain west conference in NCAA. The Aztec's need players that win games in college. Winning will increase visibility and exposure and take care of other possibilities of playing at the next level. The issue came up above when discussing whether any current Aztec players would leave early for the NBA. I agree a college team doesn't need NBA-caliber players to be successful, but most successful programs have one or two on the roster.
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Post by jp92grad on May 26, 2019 17:11:11 GMT -8
Why does everybody seem to worry about who is NBA ready or worthy? Last I checked SDSU plays in the mountain west conference in NCAA. The Aztec's need players that win games in college. Winning will increase visibility and exposure and take care of other possibilities of playing at the next level. The issue came up above when discussing whether any current Aztec players would leave early for the NBA. I agree a college team doesn't need NBA-caliber players to be successful, but most successful programs have one or two on the roster. I wasn't directing it at you personally, I was just implying this board sometimes gets to wrapped up in NBA projections. The thing SDSU needs is players that want to win first and foremost and worry about the other stuff later. The few players that were recently projected lottery picks let it get in their heads a little too much.
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Post by Frantic on May 26, 2019 17:45:19 GMT -8
The thing SDSU needs is players that want to win first and foremost and worry about the other stuff later. The few players that were recently projected lottery picks let it get in their heads a little too much. Agree, but from what I've seen all SDSU players want to win first and foremost. It's the caliber of player that really matters, and some would say things are trending south. As for potential NBA lottery picks, the Aztecs have only had one and I can't say it went to his head. As for potential NBA draft picks, we're looking at McDaniels, Thames, and Jamaal. Of those players I'd say Jamaal became a ball hog looking to showcase his talent, but he was also the best talent on the team. JJ O'Brien, Malcolm Thomas and Pope garnered interest, but I can't say it went to their heads too much. Frankly that's my problem with one-and-done players. They are looking to showcase themselves and not necessarily looking to play team ball (e.g., UNLV under Dave Rice). I'm actually okay with Jaden McDaniels not coming to SDSU - although the street credibility to SDSU to land such a recruit would be beneficial and I'm not confident in who we have to take Jalen McDaniels' minutes. I expect our front court will be lacking next year.
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Post by jp92grad on May 26, 2019 18:03:35 GMT -8
The thing SDSU needs is players that want to win first and foremost and worry about the other stuff later. The few players that were recently projected lottery picks let it get in their heads a little too much. Agree, but from what I've seen all SDSU players want to win first and foremost. It's the caliber of player that really matters, and some would say things are trending south. As for potential NBA lottery picks, the Aztecs have only had one and I can't say it went to his head.
As for potential NBA draft picks, we're looking at McDaniels, Thames, and Jamaal. Of those players I'd say Jamaal became a ball hog looking to showcase his talent, but he was also the best talent on the team. JJ O'Brien, Malcolm Thomas and Pope garnered interest, but I can't say it went to their heads too much. Frankly that's my problem with one-and-done players. They are looking to showcase themselves and not necessarily looking to play team ball (e.g., UNLV under Dave Rice). I'm actually okay with Jaden McDaniels not coming to SDSU - although the street credibility to SDSU to land such a recruit would be beneficial and I'm not confident in who we have to take Jalen McDaniels' minutes. I expect our front court will be lacking next year. wasn't talking about him, I don't think anybody was except him. You really don't know about that type of devotion and dedication until you see it first hand. I was talking about a few others that were more worried about were they were being played at and not about what was best "at the time" for the team.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 20:58:46 GMT -8
Agree, but from what I've seen all SDSU players want to win first and foremost. It's the caliber of player that really matters, and some would say things are trending south. As for potential NBA lottery picks, the Aztecs have only had one and I can't say it went to his head.
As for potential NBA draft picks, we're looking at McDaniels, Thames, and Jamaal. Of those players I'd say Jamaal became a ball hog looking to showcase his talent, but he was also the best talent on the team. JJ O'Brien, Malcolm Thomas and Pope garnered interest, but I can't say it went to their heads too much. Frankly that's my problem with one-and-done players. They are looking to showcase themselves and not necessarily looking to play team ball (e.g., UNLV under Dave Rice). I'm actually okay with Jaden McDaniels not coming to SDSU - although the street credibility to SDSU to land such a recruit would be beneficial and I'm not confident in who we have to take Jalen McDaniels' minutes. I expect our front court will be lacking next year. wasn't talking about him, I don't think anybody was except him. You really don't know about that type of devotion and dedication until you see it first hand. I was talking about a few others that were more worried about were they were being played at and not about what was best "at the time" for the team. When a player has all conference PAC12 talent but is stuck playing out of position in MWC podunks it would be normal if that gave him pause. Zylan did play out of position for the good of the team. Doing so not only inhibited his ability to showcase his talents it also stunted his development as a player. He was paying for his coach’s recruiting failures. He didn’t create the situation. He couldn’t choose his role on the team. So he just worked hard and played harder. He had two choices, continue to eat his coach’s $#!+ sandwiches or change teams. He didn’t pout. He didn’t complain. He just changed the only thing in his control. At great personal sacrifice (a year of eligibility) he switched teams.
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Post by jp92grad on May 26, 2019 22:26:42 GMT -8
wasn't talking about him, I don't think anybody was except him. You really don't know about that type of devotion and dedication until you see it first hand. I was talking about a few others that were more worried about were they were being played at and not about what was best "at the time" for the team. When a player has all conference PAC12 talent but is stuck playing out of position in MWC podunks it would be normal if that gave him pause. Zylan did play out of position for the good of the team. Doing so not only inhibited his ability to showcase his talents it also stunted his development as a player. He was paying for his coach’s recruiting failures. He didn’t create the situation. He couldn’t choose his role on the team. So he just worked hard and played harder. He had two choices, continue to eat his coach’s $#!+ sandwiches or change teams. He didn’t pout. He didn’t complain. He just changed the only thing in his control. At great personal sacrifice (a year of eligibility) he switched teams. You could also say had he stayed the Aztecs would have been a much different team. He had a huge engine and a passion for the game that was infectious, he was what was missing in the last couple years. He did loose a year, just think about what could have been if he had stayed the course. Either way it seemed to work for him, I really liked him up until he though he could call all the shots.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 23:01:19 GMT -8
When a player has all conference PAC12 talent but is stuck playing out of position in MWC podunks it would be normal if that gave him pause. Zylan did play out of position for the good of the team. Doing so not only inhibited his ability to showcase his talents it also stunted his development as a player. He was paying for his coach’s recruiting failures. He didn’t create the situation. He couldn’t choose his role on the team. So he just worked hard and played harder. He had two choices, continue to eat his coach’s $#!+ sandwiches or change teams. He didn’t pout. He didn’t complain. He just changed the only thing in his control. At great personal sacrifice (a year of eligibility) he switched teams. You could also say had he stayed the Aztecs would have been a much different team. He had a huge engine and a passion for the game that was infectious, he was what was missing in the last couple years. He did loose a year, just think about what could have been if he had stayed the course. Either way it seemed to work for him, I really liked him up until he though he could call all the shots. He never thought that he could call all of the shots. He controlled one thing and exercised that option. The team would’ve been better with Zylan. Still, the coaches have been stubborn with their not exactly creative rotations. Watson-1, Kell-2, Zylan-3/4, McDaniels-3/4, Pope-4/5 would’ve looked nice but I don’t think that they would’ve ever gone with that lineup. Had Zylan stayed, he would’ve played the five and Pope would’ve been a 3/4. McDaniels would’ve seen limited minutes coming off of the bench.
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Post by Gundo on May 28, 2019 3:57:51 GMT -8
sure seems as players move up to 5 and 4 star recruits our chances of signing them drop accordingly who is going to be our great recruiting coach that can sign them or do we do the "under the radar guys " or work the transfer route ? Stan, Here is a case that East Carolina beats out Duke for 7'0" Charles Coleman. Coleman is a 3/4-star kid with 20+ offers but loved the ECU staff. Sometimes the under dogs win...but not often. from Today's News. Steve Fisher was effective at SDSU because parents and kids trusted him, he was authentic and genuine, and had a long history of success with teams/players. Plus a great staff. We've lost Bland, Hut, Shelton, Palmer so the stability has be eroded in the last couple of years. Keep hope alive.
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Post by Gundo on Jun 1, 2019 9:59:21 GMT -8
Hope our staff is here in L.A. for Pangos. Strong line-up and many recruits, offered and interests. Check out the list.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 2, 2019 11:41:56 GMT -8
The issue came up above when discussing whether any current Aztec players would leave early for the NBA. I agree a college team doesn't need NBA-caliber players to be successful, but most successful programs have one or two on the roster. I wasn't directing it at you personally, I was just implying this board sometimes gets to wrapped up in NBA projections. The thing SDSU needs is players that want to win first and foremost and worry about the other stuff later. The few players that were recently projected lottery picks let it get in their heads a little too much. In our history I can only think of two players who had NBA talent, Michael Cage and Kawhi. We only had Kawhi for two years. And nowadays way too many players leave early thinking they are NBA material though the potential to earn money overseas is a viable fall back option. Guys like Bllly White, Malcom Thomas, Xavier, JJ O'Brien, Winston Shepard were very good college players and we won without having a player on the roster who ascended to the NBA for any length of time. You can build a winning team with 3 and 4 "star" players who are going to stay around for 4 years. To date, our highest rated recruits have been Evan Burns, Shepard and Pope. Of those, I would say only Winston came close to living up to his prep "star" rating. Kawhi was a late bloomer who was fiercely loyal. Many big name schools passed on him because they felt he was a tweener in size with not enough outside game to be effective. We haven't recruited another player like him though we have successfully recruited players that were higher rated and more sought after than Kawhi. To be fair, we haven't recruited another Tony Gwynn or Marshall Faulk either.
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 2, 2019 12:47:56 GMT -8
I wasn't directing it at you personally, I was just implying this board sometimes gets to wrapped up in NBA projections. The thing SDSU needs is players that want to win first and foremost and worry about the other stuff later. The few players that were recently projected lottery picks let it get in their heads a little too much. In our history I can only think of two players who had NBA talent, Michael Cage and Kawhi. We only had Kawhi for two years. And nowadays way too many players leave early thinking they are NBA material though the potential to earn money overseas is a viable fall back option. Guys like Bllly White, Malcom Thomas, Xavier, JJ O'Brien, Winston Shepard were very good college players and we won without having a player on the roster who ascended to the NBA for any length of time. You can build a winning team with 3 and 4 "star" players who are going to stay around for 4 years. To date, our highest rated recruits have been Evan Burns, Shepard and Pope. Of those, I would say only Winston came close to living up to his prep "star" rating. Kawhi was a late bloomer who was fiercely loyal. Many big name schools passed on him because they felt he was a tweener in size with not enough outside game to be effective. We haven't recruited another player like him though we have successfully recruited players that were higher rated and more sought after than Kawhi. To be fair, we haven't recruited another Tony Gwynn or Marshall Faulk either. Jamaal Franklin is a NBA talent. Dude makes a million bucks a year in china. Franklin could've had a nice nba career, but choose stability in china. But yes, can't compare him to kwahi or cage.
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Post by Gundo on Jun 3, 2019 15:59:33 GMT -8
Still no news from: press, scouting services, players, fans, social media on any SDSU recruiting activity.
But, Dutch was under the radar on Akers, perhaps, there are angles being worked out?
Players from 2020 and 2021 are getting singled out and attention given. Its time we become part of those conversations. And just because we haven't offered kids yet, doesn't mean we shouldn't be talking about options on the board. Palmer's gone, Akers in, Dave V back from vacation and I bet Morris and Zo help step it up on the recruiting side!
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