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Post by longtimesdsufan on May 20, 2019 12:38:02 GMT -8
Hope we get a good transfer who redshirts and maybe one more on an academic scholarship.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 20, 2019 15:12:55 GMT -8
Outside of Jaden, anyone that will sign!
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Post by standiego on May 21, 2019 12:08:13 GMT -8
we have 12 on scholarship as of today , makes little sense to add just anyone to get to 13
if there is a player still out there that could be a possible starter in a year or two then fine but not just to get to 13
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Post by jp92grad on May 21, 2019 12:27:41 GMT -8
we have 12 on scholarship as of today , makes little sense to add just anyone to get to 13 if there is a player still out there that could be a possible starter in a year or two then fine but not just to get to 13 If nothing else, why not bring in a Big Body Grad Transfer to play center that has experience. Comes in Gives Mensha a break, clogs up the paint, grabs a couple rebounds and gets a few fouls nothing more nothing less. I think this would be better then having a empty seat and who knows maybe red-shirt Joel? This is basically a no pressure no expectation type of position that is only a big back up with experience. "a 1-year experiment"
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Post by standiego on May 22, 2019 10:55:32 GMT -8
believe Yanni is supposed to be the back up at the 5 and or play the 4 , or Nolan
Also At the 4 can AG play or Joel or the freshman KJ ? or are they all ....
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 22, 2019 14:27:28 GMT -8
believe Yanni is supposed to be the back up at the 5 and or play the 4 , or Nolan Also At the 4 can AG play or Joel or the freshman KJ ? or are they all .... The problem with AG playing the "5" is that he's only 6'6"...and gives up a lot of height to true centers...KJ is only 6'7" (with a great vertical leap), but again...neither is suited to playing down-low in the key
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Post by Den60 on May 22, 2019 15:26:38 GMT -8
believe Yanni is supposed to be the back up at the 5 and or play the 4 , or Nolan Also At the 4 can AG play or Joel or the freshman KJ ? or are they all .... I believe Wetzell will play the 4 for us. Nate Mensah is a 5 with either Narain or J Mensah backing him up. Nate is the one I see who is most attuned to the 5, Narain may be better suited at the 4 as is Wetzell. Haven't seen enough of Joel yet to determine what he will be more suited for but with him and Narain, should Narain stay, both would be able to play minutes at the 5.
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Post by Den60 on May 22, 2019 15:34:19 GMT -8
believe Yanni is supposed to be the back up at the 5 and or play the 4 , or Nolan Also At the 4 can AG play or Joel or the freshman KJ ? or are they all .... The problem with AG playing the "5" is that he's only 6'6"...and gives up a lot of height to true centers...KJ is only 6'7" (with a great vertical leap), but again...neither is suited to playing down-low in the key I see Arop as a a guy who can play the 3 or 4 for us. A bit undersized for the latter but he does have great length and athleticism and at 220 he isn't a skinny kid. KJ could be walking in a a real good situation for him. If he does nothing but play defense, rebound and get some points inside for us he could see some significant minutes for us at the 4, especially if Arop's recovery takes longer than expected. I still wish I knew whether he had the full open procedure or the arthroscopic procedure on his hip.
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Post by Gundo on May 22, 2019 16:55:36 GMT -8
Shame that Baker went to U of A with a roster of 11 back court players. Still works out in the IE with Matty Mitch.
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Post by aztecanthony on May 22, 2019 18:45:43 GMT -8
Shame that Baker went to U of A with a roster of 11 back court players. Still works out in the IE with Matty Mitch. Biggest problem is we can’t land out top targets, why who knows?
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Post by jpaztec on May 22, 2019 19:00:50 GMT -8
Shame that Baker went to U of A with a roster of 11 back court players. Still works out in the IE with Matty Mitch. Biggest problem is we can’t land out top targets, why who knows? It’s not that difficult to figure out, really. Recruiting is hinged to success, and as of late we haven’t had much postseason success, which is what really matters when you’re in a mid major conference. Recruits don’t give a crap about conference championships, they care about wins on a national stage, either against a big P5 opponent during season, or making a Sweet 16 type run in the post season. We get more national airtime in that 10 day period than we do the rest of the season,, and if we fail to get there we fail to grab the interest of our 4 and 5 star targets. Our best recruiting class ever was on the tail end of several big wins that actually mattered in the MWC tournament and the dance. Oh, and we lost a legendary coach and lead recruiter(s). Dutch has got to get creative, and he needs to hire a helluva recruiter to start landing the guys who are probably ranked above our programs current reach. (Jaden, Boogie, etc.)
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Post by aztecanthony on May 22, 2019 19:43:34 GMT -8
Biggest problem is we can’t land out top targets, why who knows? It’s not that difficult to figure out, really. Recruiting is hinged to success, and as of late we haven’t had much postseason success, which is what really matters when you’re in a mid major conference. Recruits don’t give a crap about conference championships, they care about wins on a national stage, either against a big P5 opponent during season, or making a Sweet 16 type run in the post season. We get more national airtime in that 10 day period than we do the rest of the season,, and if we fail to get there we fail to grab the interest of our 4 and 5 star targets. Our best recruiting class ever was on the tail end of several big wins that actually mattered in the MWC tournament and the dance. Oh, and we lost a legendary coach and lead recruiter(s). Dutch has got to get creative, and he needs to hire a helluva recruiter to start landing the guys who are probably ranked above our programs current reach. (Jaden, Boogie, etc.) Let’s hope for a josh Davis type who can come in and play right away at a much higher level than the 5 stars we haven’t been able to land. I’ll take an experienced, tough, physically and mentally mature guy over another high upside guy. Look what it’s done for Nevada
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Post by moctezumaii on May 23, 2019 6:58:30 GMT -8
Biggest problem is we can’t land out top targets, why who knows? It’s not that difficult to figure out, really. Recruiting is hinged to success, and as of late we haven’t had much postseason success, which is what really matters when you’re in a mid major conference. Recruits don’t give a crap about conference championships, they care about wins on a national stage, either against a big P5 opponent during season, or making a Sweet 16 type run in the post season. We get more national airtime in that 10 day period than we do the rest of the season,, and if we fail to get there we fail to grab the interest of our 4 and 5 star targets. Our best recruiting class ever was on the tail end of several big wins that actually mattered in the MWC tournament and the dance. Oh, and we lost a legendary coach and lead recruiter(s). Dutch has got to get creative, and he needs to hire a helluva recruiter to start landing the guys who are probably ranked above our programs current reach. (Jaden, Boogie, etc.) We were once bad-asses who could take down anybody, even on their own court. Right Gonzaga? Right, Kansas? But we no longer have a record of closing out hundreds games in a row when leading at the 5-minute mark. We are no longer undefeated for years against other Cali schools. The mighty Show is a no-show. We no longer have mystique, just another generic mid-major with a middling coach. How do you recruit to that? Makes me sad.
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Post by azteccc on May 23, 2019 7:10:17 GMT -8
The problem with AG playing the "5" is that he's only 6'6"...and gives up a lot of height to true centers...KJ is only 6'7" (with a great vertical leap), but again...neither is suited to playing down-low in the key I see Arop as a a guy who can play the 3 or 4 for us. A bit undersized for the latter but he does have great length and athleticism and at 220 he isn't a skinny kid. KJ could be walking in a a real good situation for him. If he does nothing but play defense, rebound and get some points inside for us he could see some significant minutes for us at the 4, especially if Arop's recovery takes longer than expected. I still wish I knew whether he had the full open procedure or the arthroscopic procedure on his hip. I don’t see any problems on the O side playing one of our undersized guys at the 5. That’s the way the game is trending, and it creates mismatches when you can play 4 out and/or have to move a slower big guy out to the perimeter. The key is finding an undersized guy that can still effectively guard down low on the other end. We obviously don’t have a Draymond Green on roster, but think of it that way. The whole death lineup concept, with the Dubs highest +/- during their 73 win season, was based on having a playmaker and driver at the 5 that could also guard guys at 6’10” +. Asking any of our 6’6-7” guys to guard Quieta might be too much (maybe not? who knows?), but when we play other teams without a dominant big man, some combination of our wings with good help defense may be able to be effective.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 8:10:50 GMT -8
I see Arop as a a guy who can play the 3 or 4 for us. A bit undersized for the latter but he does have great length and athleticism and at 220 he isn't a skinny kid. KJ could be walking in a a real good situation for him. If he does nothing but play defense, rebound and get some points inside for us he could see some significant minutes for us at the 4, especially if Arop's recovery takes longer than expected. I still wish I knew whether he had the full open procedure or the arthroscopic procedure on his hip. I don’t see any problems on the O side playing one of our undersized guys at the 5. That’s the way the game is trending, and it creates mismatches when you can play 4 out and/or have to move a slower big guy out to the perimeter. The key is finding an undersized guy that can still effectively guard down low on the other end. We obviously don’t have a Draymond Green on roster, but think of it that way. The whole death lineup concept, with the Dubs highest +/- during their 73 win season, was based on having a playmaker and driver at the 5 that could also guard guys at 6’10” +. Asking any of our 6’6-7” guys to guard Quieta might be too much (maybe not? who knows?), but when we play other teams without a dominant big man, some combination of our wings with good help defense may be able to be effective. Neither Matt nor Jordan can play that role. They simply can’t defend or rebound well enough against 4’s and 5’s. They also don’t possess the elite athleticism, ball handling, or passing skills that would make these undersized lineups work in your favor. Johnson and Arop are longer, more athletic, and likely better suited, from a rebounding and defend standpoint, to play as an undersized “big.” But both would seem to lack the polished skills (shooting, playmaking, & ball handling) needed to make an undersized lineup into an Aztec advantage.
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Post by azteccc on May 23, 2019 8:33:13 GMT -8
I don’t see any problems on the O side playing one of our undersized guys at the 5. That’s the way the game is trending, and it creates mismatches when you can play 4 out and/or have to move a slower big guy out to the perimeter. The key is finding an undersized guy that can still effectively guard down low on the other end. We obviously don’t have a Draymond Green on roster, but think of it that way. The whole death lineup concept, with the Dubs highest +/- during their 73 win season, was based on having a playmaker and driver at the 5 that could also guard guys at 6’10” +. Asking any of our 6’6-7” guys to guard Quieta might be too much (maybe not? who knows?), but when we play other teams without a dominant big man, some combination of our wings with good help defense may be able to be effective. Neither Matt nor Jordan can play that role. They simply can’t defend or rebound well enough against 4’s and 5’s. They also don’t possess the elite athleticism, ball handling, or passing skills that would make these undersized lineups work in your favor. Johnson and Arop are longer, more athletic, and likely better suited, from a rebounding and defend standpoint, to play as an undersized “big.” But both would seem to lack the polished skills (shooting, playmaking, & ball handling) needed to make an undersized lineup into an Aztec advantage. Agree on Matt and Jordan. Jury is out on Keshad and Arop. We might never know, since this is probably an academic exercise and Dutch will likely keep at least one of Nathan, Nolan, and Yanni on the court 99% of the time. During that 73 win season, Dray shot 38.8% from three - by far his highest career average. He’s a career 32.3% 3 point shooter, and in the three seasons since 2015-16, has shot 31%, 30%, and 28%. His assist numbers are high, but a lot of that is attributable to the shooters around him and the spacing that Steph and Klay open up near the basket. We’re not the Warriors and none of our guys are Dray, obviously. Not even close. But Arop and Keshad both have the physical traits to be able to abuse a post player on the O side. Who knows if they can play defense effectively, though. I think they’re better suited than Jalen was, who played the five for half a season.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 11:24:08 GMT -8
Neither Matt nor Jordan can play that role. They simply can’t defend or rebound well enough against 4’s and 5’s. They also don’t possess the elite athleticism, ball handling, or passing skills that would make these undersized lineups work in your favor. Johnson and Arop are longer, more athletic, and likely better suited, from a rebounding and defend standpoint, to play as an undersized “big.” But both would seem to lack the polished skills (shooting, playmaking, & ball handling) needed to make an undersized lineup into an Aztec advantage. Agree on Matt and Jordan. Jury is out on Keshad and Arop. We might never know, since this is probably an academic exercise and Dutch will likely keep at least one of Nathan, Nolan, and Yanni on the court 99% of the time. During that 73 win season, Dray shot 38.8% from three - by far his highest career average. He’s a career 32.3% 3 point shooter, and in the three seasons since 2015-16, has shot 31%, 30%, and 28%. His assist numbers are high, but a lot of that is attributable to the shooters around him and the spacing that Steph and Klay open up near the basket. We’re not the Warriors and none of our guys are Dray, obviously. Not even close. But Arop and Keshad both have the physical traits to be able to abuse a post player on the O side. Who knows if they can play defense effectively, though. I think they’re better suited than Jalen was, who played the five for half a season. I tend to agree. The key offensively is shooting. If either can hit from midrange or deeper at a reasonable rate then the slower big can be drawn out of the paint. Both of them should have the athleticism to punish a bigger player once he’s moved away from the basket as long as they can dribble well enough. They don’t have to be Pistol Pete out there but an average shooting ability coupled with a reasonable handle would go a long way in creating favorable matchups in these situations. I believe that both can develop those skills in the coming years.
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Post by standiego on May 23, 2019 12:31:11 GMT -8
Really hope Nathan can become a real high quality player both home and on the Road at the 5 on both ends of the court but especially on D and the boards . Let him be the rim protector and not chase on D- Not picking up ticky tack fouls - get back up from Nolan or Yanni or combo .
At the 4 variety of options with AG- IF healthy , Yanni , KJ , Joel but the main key is providing strong play near the basket on both ends . Need to be a team that can defend and rebound from those two positions to free up the 1 -3 positions . Major ? is the 4 position .
Hope Matt and Jordan S can further develop their game so the 3 position is solid was not consistent last year
Also important to see that the guards also help with rebounding and provide some D .
Some problems last year defense , rebounding and execution .
Also really need a coach that really recruit against some of the better schools
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