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Post by ptsdthor on May 2, 2019 9:00:07 GMT -8
The "no collusion" conclusion by Mueller is correct and obvious. A real "no $hit Sherlock" moment. Everyone knew it and that is why the current hub bub by Democrats can only be enjoyed by clueless true believers. And, by association (ala the "Fruit of the poisonous tree"), everything, and I mean everything, brought down on Trump, his campaign and his associates in this "Collusion" narrative was phony and corrupt by its inception, its execution and its outcome.
Or, for you, was Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and General Flynn somehow all Russian agents and were right to have been spied on and/or trapped (Papadopolous and Flynn anyhow)? Remember Carter Page's FISA request was renewed three times (meaning the FBI must have have reasonable cause to see continued questionable actions by him (or they were corruptly using their powers to spy on him) and they spied on him for an entire year. Yet now that the Mueller report is out, I doubt there is even a mention of a parking ticket on Carter Page. Ho Hum say the Democrats. Just collateral law breaking for the sake of a larger political goal.
As for the obstruction case, it is tainted by the ludicrousness of the collusion narrative and everyone knows it. Opposing a witch-hunt is the right thing to do but when the witch-hunters are legally authorized, that opposition comes with some legal danger.
For me, it was Mueller who was chicken and didn't want to expose himself and his team to the embarrassment of being excoriated legally had he ventured any criminal charges in the obstruction findings. He knew there was no underlying crime of collusion (or conspiracy) case nor could a valid legal case be made for obstruction. If there had been a crime(s) by Trump in either case, he and his band of loyal Democrat assistants would have been absolutely apoplectic to name it/them. If Ken Starr can call a spade a spade, Robert Mueller certainly could have as well...and he didn't. So he slinks away and punts with statements of double negatives and innuendo and hopes the Democrats can make hay with his report. Barr made it harder for the Democrats by seeing though the farce and that is why they hate Barr so much now. Barr portrayed it correctly indicating that a prosecutor's job is to find if there is enough evidence of a crime and so state that crime, not to find if "exoneration" exists or not.
But the phony indignation will continue. The focusing on the power grab versus the needs of the country (like the crisis at the border) will continue unabated. America will be irreparably harmed by the way the Democrats conducted themselves in the wake of the Trump Victory/Clinton Loss. They should have just got about the business of being the opposition party by way of legislative means yet they opted to corrupt our law enforcement and security institutions to try and get their way. They have damaged the credibility of our Federal law enforcement and security apparatus and the next larger, more pervasive abuse of power in that area will only come the easier for them.
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Post by azteccc on May 2, 2019 9:17:40 GMT -8
The "no collusion" conclusion by Mueller is correct and obvious. A real "no $hit Sherlock" moment. Everyone knew it and that is why the current hub bub by Democrats can only be enjoyed by clueless true believers. And, by association (ala the "Fruit of the poisonous tree"), everything, and I mean everything, brought down on Trump, his campaign and his associates in this "Collusion" narrative was phony and corrupt by its inception, its execution and its outcome. Or, for you, was Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and General Flynn somehow all Russian agents and were right to have been spied on and/or trapped (Papadopolous and Flynn anyhow)? Remember Carter Page's FISA request was renewed three times (meaning the FBI must have have reasonable cause to see continued questionable actions by him (or they were corruptly using their powers to spy on him) and they spied on him for an entire year. Yet now that the Mueller report is out, I doubt there is even a mention of a parking ticket on Carter Page. Ho Hum say the Democrats. Just collateral law breaking for the sake of a larger political goal. As for the obstruction case, it is tainted by the ludicrousness of the collusion narrative and everyone knows it. Opposing a witch-hunt is the right thing to do but when the witch-hunters are legally authorized, that opposition comes with some legal danger. For me, it was Mueller who was chicken and didn't want to expose himself and his team to the embarrassment of being excoriated legally had he ventured any criminal charges in the obstruction findings. He knew there was no underlying crime of collusion (or conspiracy) case nor could a valid legal case be made for obstruction. If there had been a crime(s) by Trump in either case, he and his band of loyal Democrat assistants would have been absolutely apoplectic to name it/them. If Ken Starr can call a spade a spade, Robert Mueller certainly could have as well...and he didn't. So he slinks away and punts with statements of double negatives and innuendo and hopes the Democrats can make hay with his report. Barr made it harder for the Democrats by seeing though the farce and that is why they hate Barr so much now. Barr portrayed it correctly indicating that a prosecutor's job is to find if there is enough evidence of a crime and so state that crime, not to find if "exoneration" exists or not. But the phony indignation will continue. The focusing on the power grab versus the needs of the country (like the crisis at the border) will continue unabated. America will be irreparably harmed by the way the Democrats conducted themselves in the wake of the Trump Victory/Clinton Loss. They should have just got about the business of being the opposition party by way of legislative means yet they opted to corrupt our law enforcement and security institutions to try and get their way. They have damaged the credibility of our Federal law enforcement and security apparatus and the next larger, more pervasive abuse of power in that area will only come the easier for them. TL; DR version, anyone?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 2, 2019 15:43:31 GMT -8
Is this the Cliff Notes version??
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Post by aztecmusician on May 3, 2019 1:37:58 GMT -8
The "no collusion" conclusion by Mueller is correct and obvious. A real "no $hit Sherlock" moment. Everyone knew it and that is why the current hub bub by Democrats can only be enjoyed by clueless true believers. And, by association (ala the "Fruit of the poisonous tree"), everything, and I mean everything, brought down on Trump, his campaign and his associates in this "Collusion" narrative was phony and corrupt by its inception, its execution and its outcome. Or, for you, was Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and General Flynn somehow all Russian agents and were right to have been spied on and/or trapped (Papadopolous and Flynn anyhow)? Remember Carter Page's FISA request was renewed three times (meaning the FBI must have have reasonable cause to see continued questionable actions by him (or they were corruptly using their powers to spy on him) and they spied on him for an entire year. Yet now that the Mueller report is out, I doubt there is even a mention of a parking ticket on Carter Page. Ho Hum say the Democrats. Just collateral law breaking for the sake of a larger political goal. As for the obstruction case, it is tainted by the ludicrousness of the collusion narrative and everyone knows it. Opposing a witch-hunt is the right thing to do but when the witch-hunters are legally authorized, that opposition comes with some legal danger. For me, it was Mueller who was chicken and didn't want to expose himself and his team to the embarrassment of being excoriated legally had he ventured any criminal charges in the obstruction findings. He knew there was no underlying crime of collusion (or conspiracy) case nor could a valid legal case be made for obstruction. If there had been a crime(s) by Trump in either case, he and his band of loyal Democrat assistants would have been absolutely apoplectic to name it/them. If Ken Starr can call a spade a spade, Robert Mueller certainly could have as well...and he didn't. So he slinks away and punts with statements of double negatives and innuendo and hopes the Democrats can make hay with his report. Barr made it harder for the Democrats by seeing though the farce and that is why they hate Barr so much now. Barr portrayed it correctly indicating that a prosecutor's job is to find if there is enough evidence of a crime and so state that crime, not to find if "exoneration" exists or not. But the phony indignation will continue. The focusing on the power grab versus the needs of the country (like the crisis at the border) will continue unabated. America will be irreparably harmed by the way the Democrats conducted themselves in the wake of the Trump Victory/Clinton Loss. They should have just got about the business of being the opposition party by way of legislative means yet they opted to corrupt our law enforcement and security institutions to try and get their way. They have damaged the credibility of our Federal law enforcement and security apparatus and the next larger, more pervasive abuse of power in that area will only come the easier for them. I guess all future Presidents will have to deal with bogus charges and fictitious investigations. The whole collusion farce has set a new low for partisan sniping and mud launching. Shame on the Dem operatives who concocted this mess.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on May 3, 2019 11:12:36 GMT -8
The "no collusion" conclusion by Mueller is correct and obvious. A real "no $hit Sherlock" moment. Everyone knew it and that is why the current hub bub by Democrats can only be enjoyed by clueless true believers. And, by association (ala the "Fruit of the poisonous tree"), everything, and I mean everything, brought down on Trump, his campaign and his associates in this "Collusion" narrative was phony and corrupt by its inception, its execution and its outcome. Or, for you, was Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and General Flynn somehow all Russian agents and were right to have been spied on and/or trapped (Papadopolous and Flynn anyhow)? Remember Carter Page's FISA request was renewed three times (meaning the FBI must have have reasonable cause to see continued questionable actions by him (or they were corruptly using their powers to spy on him) and they spied on him for an entire year. Yet now that the Mueller report is out, I doubt there is even a mention of a parking ticket on Carter Page. Ho Hum say the Democrats. Just collateral law breaking for the sake of a larger political goal. As for the obstruction case, it is tainted by the ludicrousness of the collusion narrative and everyone knows it. Opposing a witch-hunt is the right thing to do but when the witch-hunters are legally authorized, that opposition comes with some legal danger. For me, it was Mueller who was chicken and didn't want to expose himself and his team to the embarrassment of being excoriated legally had he ventured any criminal charges in the obstruction findings. He knew there was no underlying crime of collusion (or conspiracy) case nor could a valid legal case be made for obstruction. If there had been a crime(s) by Trump in either case, he and his band of loyal Democrat assistants would have been absolutely apoplectic to name it/them. If Ken Starr can call a spade a spade, Robert Mueller certainly could have as well...and he didn't. So he slinks away and punts with statements of double negatives and innuendo and hopes the Democrats can make hay with his report. Barr made it harder for the Democrats by seeing though the farce and that is why they hate Barr so much now. Barr portrayed it correctly indicating that a prosecutor's job is to find if there is enough evidence of a crime and so state that crime, not to find if "exoneration" exists or not. But the phony indignation will continue. The focusing on the power grab versus the needs of the country (like the crisis at the border) will continue unabated. America will be irreparably harmed by the way the Democrats conducted themselves in the wake of the Trump Victory/Clinton Loss. They should have just got about the business of being the opposition party by way of legislative means yet they opted to corrupt our law enforcement and security institutions to try and get their way. They have damaged the credibility of our Federal law enforcement and security apparatus and the next larger, more pervasive abuse of power in that area will only come the easier for them. Barr said "no collusion" not Muller. If you read the report you would have known that. Muller never investigated "collusion" but conspiracy among other things. He also itemized many instances in which the Trump campaign tried very hard to coordinate with the Russians with various degrees of success. And for Barr to say Trump did not attempt to obstruct is asinine. Muller explicitly DID NOT exonerate Trump of obstruction of Justice. As he was an employee of the Justice department he had to follow Justice Department rules that state that a sitting president cannot be indicted. He did the only thing he could (as they did during watergate) and passed it along to Congress.
Barr is an embarrassment to the country. He has already worn out his knee pads bending over for Trump.
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Post by azson on May 3, 2019 16:22:51 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on May 3, 2019 19:06:43 GMT -8
The totality by Trump to conspire with the Russians is the joke that he made at the GOP Convention when he suggested that the Russians might be able to find the 33,000 missing E-mails illegally scrubbed from Hillary Clinton's server. It also shows how ridiculous the Mueller investigation was in that they even wasted the ink to ask and then to write about it. A complete and total witch hunt only to be believed by clueless leftist clowns.
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Post by azteccc on May 4, 2019 6:09:31 GMT -8
The "no collusion" conclusion by Mueller is correct and obvious. A real "no $hit Sherlock" moment. Everyone knew it and that is why the current hub bub by Democrats can only be enjoyed by clueless true believers. And, by association (ala the "Fruit of the poisonous tree"), everything, and I mean everything, brought down on Trump, his campaign and his associates in this "Collusion" narrative was phony and corrupt by its inception, its execution and its outcome. Or, for you, was Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and General Flynn somehow all Russian agents and were right to have been spied on and/or trapped (Papadopolous and Flynn anyhow)? Remember Carter Page's FISA request was renewed three times (meaning the FBI must have have reasonable cause to see continued questionable actions by him (or they were corruptly using their powers to spy on him) and they spied on him for an entire year. Yet now that the Mueller report is out, I doubt there is even a mention of a parking ticket on Carter Page. Ho Hum say the Democrats. Just collateral law breaking for the sake of a larger political goal. As for the obstruction case, it is tainted by the ludicrousness of the collusion narrative and everyone knows it. Opposing a witch-hunt is the right thing to do but when the witch-hunters are legally authorized, that opposition comes with some legal danger. For me, it was Mueller who was chicken and didn't want to expose himself and his team to the embarrassment of being excoriated legally had he ventured any criminal charges in the obstruction findings. He knew there was no underlying crime of collusion (or conspiracy) case nor could a valid legal case be made for obstruction. If there had been a crime(s) by Trump in either case, he and his band of loyal Democrat assistants would have been absolutely apoplectic to name it/them. If Ken Starr can call a spade a spade, Robert Mueller certainly could have as well...and he didn't. So he slinks away and punts with statements of double negatives and innuendo and hopes the Democrats can make hay with his report. Barr made it harder for the Democrats by seeing though the farce and that is why they hate Barr so much now. Barr portrayed it correctly indicating that a prosecutor's job is to find if there is enough evidence of a crime and so state that crime, not to find if "exoneration" exists or not. But the phony indignation will continue. The focusing on the power grab versus the needs of the country (like the crisis at the border) will continue unabated. America will be irreparably harmed by the way the Democrats conducted themselves in the wake of the Trump Victory/Clinton Loss. They should have just got about the business of being the opposition party by way of legislative means yet they opted to corrupt our law enforcement and security institutions to try and get their way. They have damaged the credibility of our Federal law enforcement and security apparatus and the next larger, more pervasive abuse of power in that area will only come the easier for them. I guess all future Presidents will have to deal with bogus charges and fictitious investigations. The whole collusion farce has set a new low for partisan sniping and mud launching. Yep, 2010 was the culmination of the Gingrich bs and we’ll be suffering the consequences for a long time.
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Post by uwphoto on May 4, 2019 11:06:54 GMT -8
I guess all future Presidents will have to deal with bogus charges and fictitious investigations. The whole collusion farce has set a new low for partisan sniping and mud launching. Yep, 2010 was the culmination of the Gingrich bs and we’ll be suffering the consequences for a long time. Yea, keep writing the same talking points you can get on FOX. Enjoy Alex Jones and Milo once trump gets them back. can you name one moral argument you guys still have? Oh yea, abortion rates have been going down for years, but that's the only outrage you have left. Once the next President takes over that you disagree with, you will have nothing...deficit?.footsy with Putin? .. .Haha.
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Post by uwphoto on May 4, 2019 11:10:06 GMT -8
Yep, 2010 was the culmination of the Gingrich bs and we’ll be suffering the consequences for a long time. Yea, keep writing the same talking points you can get on FOX. Enjoy Alex Jones and Milo once trump gets them back. can you name one moral argument you guys still have? Oh yea, abortion rates have been going down for years, but that's the only outrage you have left. Once the next President takes over that you disagree with, you will have nothing...deficit?.footsy with Putin? .. .Haha. this was actually directed to thor , who is a walking talking point and ideologue...who is incapable of analysis.
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Post by ptsdthor on May 5, 2019 12:08:16 GMT -8
Yea, keep writing the same talking points you can get on FOX. Enjoy Alex Jones and Milo once trump gets them back. can you name one moral argument you guys still have? Oh yea, abortion rates have been going down for years, but that's the only outrage you have left. Once the next President takes over that you disagree with, you will have nothing...deficit?.footsy with Putin? .. .Haha. this was actually directed to thor , who is a walking talking point and ideologue...who is incapable of analysis. Speaking of talking points, did you notice Kamala Harris and her questioning of Barr? First she offers up the red herring asking if the AG reviewed the original evidence. Doing that all while knowing full well, being a former AG herself, that relying on the product of investigators as presented is not only normal but essential. Phony hypocrite entirely. And then she goes on to bring up the conflicts of interest that Rod Rosenstein had with regard to the AG's determination having been a witness in the investigation. This point of issue was about two years old and mentioned on conservative outlets at the outset of the witch hunt. And for both of these lines of questioning, the clueless leftist media was falling all over themselves saying how clever she was and how she "destroyed" Barr. It was pablum for infantile leftists and they ate it up. Spare me the inability to do analysis. Leftist seemingly believe anything they are told if it fits the narrative.
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Post by ptsdthor on May 5, 2019 20:43:43 GMT -8
And another thing, when the NY Times runs a story confirming the clumsy spying used against the Trump campaign, it tells me that there are deep state players who are puckering hard and leaking to the NY Times (as they have before) with the hope that their allies in the media might get out in front of the story and provide them cover.
Comey was on a recent radio interview saying "what (else) would you have the FBI do?" (rolleyes) I wish it was wasn't true but, sadly, it is. The "Insurance Policy" premium is coming due.
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Post by uwphoto on May 6, 2019 4:53:24 GMT -8
And another thing, when the NY Times runs a story confirming the clumsy spying used against the Trump campaign, it tells me that there are deep state players who are puckering hard and leaking to the NY Times (as they have before) with the hope that their allies in the media might get out in front of the story and provide them cover. Comey was on a recent radio interview saying "what (else) would you have the FBI do?" (rolleyes) I wish it was wasn't true but, sadly, it is. The "Insurance Policy" premium is coming due. this is a test. Do you think Sandy Hook was faked by actors? Do you think it is good for America for the POTUS to be advocating for Alex Jones? these are simple questions...but Hillary doesn't count.
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Post by ptsdthor on May 6, 2019 6:59:04 GMT -8
And another thing, when the NY Times runs a story confirming the clumsy spying used against the Trump campaign, it tells me that there are deep state players who are puckering hard and leaking to the NY Times (as they have before) with the hope that their allies in the media might get out in front of the story and provide them cover. Comey was on a recent radio interview saying "what (else) would you have the FBI do?" (rolleyes) I wish it was wasn't true but, sadly, it is. The "Insurance Policy" premium is coming due. this is a test. Do you think Sandy Hook was faked by actors? Do you think it is good for America for the POTUS to be advocating for Alex Jones? these are simple questions...but Hillary doesn't count. Given the depth of those questions, I'll also have to ask the key question: What is the price of eggs in London?
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Post by uwphoto on May 6, 2019 8:11:35 GMT -8
Given the depth of those questions, I'll also have to ask the key question: What is the price of eggs in London? knew you couldn't do it.
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Post by ptsdthor on May 6, 2019 12:53:36 GMT -8
Given the depth of those questions, I'll also have to ask the key question: What is the price of eggs in London? knew you couldn't do it. Say, since you know so much, can you tell us about Mr. Joseph Mifsud? Is he a Russian operative or was he working for our side as an operative when he met with George Papadopoulos?
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Post by uwphoto on May 6, 2019 14:07:31 GMT -8
Say, since you know so much, can you tell us about Mr. Joseph Mifsud? Is he a Russian operative or was he working for our side as an operative when he met with George Papadopoulos? I honestly don't know.
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Post by aardvark on May 7, 2019 13:36:26 GMT -8
Given the depth of those questions, I'll also have to ask the key question: What is the price of eggs in London? As of early May, it was the equivalent of $3.91.
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Post by ptsdthor on May 7, 2019 19:38:25 GMT -8
Say, since you know so much, can you tell us about Mr. Joseph Mifsud? Is he a Russian operative or was he working for our side as an operative when he met with George Papadopoulos? I honestly don't know. And speaking of being incapable of analysis...
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Post by aztecmusician on May 7, 2019 20:37:00 GMT -8
It is clear that The Trump Campaign was investigated without the necessary preconditions. That should never happen, regardless of political party.
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