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Post by cmonaztecs on Jul 26, 2019 12:24:51 GMT -8
Why are you defending a Narcisist conman and traitor who dodged the draft 5 times, and then he has the balls to hug the flag, only so the deplorables think he's a patriot and then turns around and asks for Russia to hack the elections on National TV to undermine our Democracy. We can't fix this if u keep voting for him !!!
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 26, 2019 12:58:38 GMT -8
Why are you defending a Narcisist conman and traitor who dodged the draft 5 times, and then he has the balls to hug the flag, only so the deplorables think he's a patriot and then turns around and asks for Russia to hack the elections on National TV to undermine our Democracy. We can't fix this if u keep voting for him !!! For all his shortcomings, the actions of his political opponents, the Democrats (like their aiding and abetting the blowing up our southern border, forwarding the fraud of the Russia hoax, sticking us with the albatross known as Obamacare, forwarding commie-lite policies at every turn, giving billions to a terrorist country, gives our Uranium to Russia, etc., etc.), actually makes him the adult in the room. And if your party can do that, then Physician heal thy self. Oh, and by the way, Trump's joke about asking Russia to find Hillary's deleted E-Mails was beyond the pale....(roll eyes)
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jul 27, 2019 2:49:44 GMT -8
Then why do Russian cyber signatures show up on servers the day after Individual 1 said that? And Moscow Mitch votes down election security bill. Hello, is anyone home, or are you planning to move to Moscow.
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jul 27, 2019 6:15:19 GMT -8
There is a strategy behind Trump’s madness — and it’s already much later than you think.
Written by Mark Sumner, Daily Kos July 27, 2019
The news that Donald Trump is openly feeding classified information to Devin Nunes should be upsetting. It not only represents a complete upending of the standard relationship between the executive branch and the legislative branch, but it’s just one aspect of a threat that Trump has set down brick by brick, until it has America poised on the edge of a cliff that many don’t even seem to realize is looming: the absolute inability to get at the truth due to a gross disparity in the availability of information. That may sound technical. Or even picayune. It’s not.
In any conflict, there is one factor that is certain to destroy any possibility of a fair resolution: asymmetrical information. Asymmetrical information is just what it sounds like, It’s when one side of a conflict has more or better information than the other. That information gives that side an advantage in both tactics and strategy. Now look at what Trump and Attorney General William Barr are doing, and have been doing, step by step, for months.
Trump hasn’t voluntarily provided a witness to Congress since Democrats took control of the House in January. He hasn’t turned over one page of documentation. Instead, Trump has ordered witnesses not to obey requests. Then to ignore congressional subpoenas. Then to ignore contempt citations. He has even extended this denial to former members of his staff, to members and former members of other areas of the executive branch far removed from direct contact with his office, and to members of his transition team.
In addition to denying Congress witnesses, or documents subpoenaed along with those witnesses, Trump has sued Congress to prevent the release of his personal information. He has continued to challenge the outcomes of those lawsuits. And he has ordered members of his Cabinet and their staff to ignore plain law in refusing to hand over information.
Should the situation ever reach the point where the Supreme Court orders Trump to produce the information, there is little doubt about what he will do. After all, this week has been a vivid reminder that, according to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump cannot be indicted. So why should he listen to any court? Should any of the witnesses Congress is seeking to interview ever be found in contempt, Trump has an answer for that. He can pardon them, just as he has his other friends and political supporters. Or Barr can claim privilege. In any case … no one is talking.
At the same time, Barr has expanded on Trump’s already expansive view of executive privilege. That’s included throwing a blanket over all source materials for the Mueller report, and even over the sort of ordinary data from agencies that was previously given to Congress as a matter of course.
The net result is that Congress is absolutely starved for information. Does the House seem indecisive and confused? Is there a frustrating schism within the Democratic Party? Yes. That’s because they are walking around in the dark, absolutely unable to get the information that usually fuels their decisions. Cautious representatives, used to checking every box in triplicate before making a move, feel suffocated by the lack of data, and frightened by the willingness of others to jump forward. In short, they’re afraid it’s all a trap. And it could be—both because they don’t have the information they want, and because Barr can create any information he wants.
Trump has authorized Barr to look at all classified information, no matter the context. And to selectively share that information with whomever he pleases. Trump explicitly included sharing information with Republicans in Congress, such as Devin Nunes.
Because Barr is authorized to release only what he wants, he can select the bits and pieces that support Trump, leaving any information that might be harmful to Trump hidden. Because he can share it with whomever he wants, the result is a massive imbalance of information.
Not only do Trump and Barr hold all the cards, but they own the places where the cards are printed. The ability to selectively release any information out of context is indistinguishable from the ability to simply make things up. Trump, Barr, or anyone they are feeding information to can make any claim without being disputed. Against anyone.
If Barr were to announce tomorrow that the DOJ inspector general’s report found that James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, and others were involved in a “deep state” conspiracy against Trump … how could it be disputed? Where would anyone turn for the truth?
If Nunes were to hold a press conference and say he had information connecting the Democratic campaign in 2018 straight to the Kremlin … how could it be countered? Would the House issue subpoenas? Would the DOJ take action?
This asymmetrical information war has already proceeded very nearly to the point where the truth is whatever Nunes says it is. Which is whatever Barr says it is. Which is whatever Trump says it is. Because they’ve completely isolated any source of information that might counter their claims.
And anyone thinking that a legal appeal might finally get some White House staffer’s butt into a seat after a contempt charge might want to consider this: Fully one-quarter of all appeals court judges were selected by Trump. How did Trump select 24% of all appellate court judges in the space of less than three years? It’s almost as if Mitch McConnell had been sitting on all the nominations for years before the 2016 election, so that Trump could quickly grab control of the courts. It’s almost as if that’s true because it’s true.
And, of course, should any court rule that someone from Trump’s team has to appear, they can still be pardoned, or still claim privilege. Because … why not? Trump has made it increasingly clear that, as far as he is concerned, Article 2 means he can “do whatever I like.”
The result of Trump’s actions, in concert with Barr and McConnell, is that the United States is extraordinary vulnerable to misinformation, propaganda, and plain old lies. Because the sources of truth are off the table.
It leaves impeachment as the only possible option. But it also means that any impeachment inquiry is also likely to face a repeat of the stonewall. There seems to be no force left that can move Barr to take any step to help in such a proceeding, and no threat from the judiciary that they can’t simply shrug off.
How an autocrat in absolute control of the sources of information and the ability to mete out justice is dislodged is anyone’s guess.
My opinion......Civil War?
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Post by davdesid on Jul 27, 2019 11:33:04 GMT -8
Then why do Russian cyber signatures show up on servers the day after Individual 1 said that? And Moscow Mitch votes down election security bill. Hello, is anyone home, or are you planning to move to Moscow. Who says, "Russian cyber signatures show up...? And don't give me that "Intelligence Community" bull$#!+. Those assholes are up to their necks in this failed coup. I'm looking to see Brennan, Clapper, and Comey, along with their underlings swinging from a rope.
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Post by davdesid on Jul 27, 2019 11:36:26 GMT -8
There is a strategy behind Trump’s madness — and it’s already much later than you think. Written by Mark Sumner, Daily Kos July 27, 2019 The news that Donald Trump is openly feeding classified information to Devin Nunes should be upsetting. It not only represents a complete upending of the standard relationship between the executive branch and the legislative branch, but it’s just one aspect of a threat that Trump has set down brick by brick, until it has America poised on the edge of a cliff that many don’t even seem to realize is looming: the absolute inability to get at the truth due to a gross disparity in the availability of information. That may sound technical. Or even picayune. It’s not. In any conflict, there is one factor that is certain to destroy any possibility of a fair resolution: asymmetrical information. Asymmetrical information is just what it sounds like, It’s when one side of a conflict has more or better information than the other. That information gives that side an advantage in both tactics and strategy. Now look at what Trump and Attorney General William Barr are doing, and have been doing, step by step, for months. Trump hasn’t voluntarily provided a witness to Congress since Democrats took control of the House in January. He hasn’t turned over one page of documentation. Instead, Trump has ordered witnesses not to obey requests. Then to ignore congressional subpoenas. Then to ignore contempt citations. He has even extended this denial to former members of his staff, to members and former members of other areas of the executive branch far removed from direct contact with his office, and to members of his transition team. In addition to denying Congress witnesses, or documents subpoenaed along with those witnesses, Trump has sued Congress to prevent the release of his personal information. He has continued to challenge the outcomes of those lawsuits. And he has ordered members of his Cabinet and their staff to ignore plain law in refusing to hand over information. Should the situation ever reach the point where the Supreme Court orders Trump to produce the information, there is little doubt about what he will do. After all, this week has been a vivid reminder that, according to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump cannot be indicted. So why should he listen to any court? Should any of the witnesses Congress is seeking to interview ever be found in contempt, Trump has an answer for that. He can pardon them, just as he has his other friends and political supporters. Or Barr can claim privilege. In any case … no one is talking. At the same time, Barr has expanded on Trump’s already expansive view of executive privilege. That’s included throwing a blanket over all source materials for the Mueller report, and even over the sort of ordinary data from agencies that was previously given to Congress as a matter of course. The net result is that Congress is absolutely starved for information. Does the House seem indecisive and confused? Is there a frustrating schism within the Democratic Party? Yes. That’s because they are walking around in the dark, absolutely unable to get the information that usually fuels their decisions. Cautious representatives, used to checking every box in triplicate before making a move, feel suffocated by the lack of data, and frightened by the willingness of others to jump forward. In short, they’re afraid it’s all a trap. And it could be—both because they don’t have the information they want, and because Barr can create any information he wants. Trump has authorized Barr to look at all classified information, no matter the context. And to selectively share that information with whomever he pleases. Trump explicitly included sharing information with Republicans in Congress, such as Devin Nunes. Because Barr is authorized to release only what he wants, he can select the bits and pieces that support Trump, leaving any information that might be harmful to Trump hidden. Because he can share it with whomever he wants, the result is a massive imbalance of information. Not only do Trump and Barr hold all the cards, but they own the places where the cards are printed. The ability to selectively release any information out of context is indistinguishable from the ability to simply make things up. Trump, Barr, or anyone they are feeding information to can make any claim without being disputed. Against anyone. If Barr were to announce tomorrow that the DOJ inspector general’s report found that James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, and others were involved in a “deep state” conspiracy against Trump … how could it be disputed? Where would anyone turn for the truth? If Nunes were to hold a press conference and say he had information connecting the Democratic campaign in 2018 straight to the Kremlin … how could it be countered? Would the House issue subpoenas? Would the DOJ take action? This asymmetrical information war has already proceeded very nearly to the point where the truth is whatever Nunes says it is. Which is whatever Barr says it is. Which is whatever Trump says it is. Because they’ve completely isolated any source of information that might counter their claims. And anyone thinking that a legal appeal might finally get some White House staffer’s butt into a seat after a contempt charge might want to consider this: Fully one-quarter of all appeals court judges were selected by Trump. How did Trump select 24% of all appellate court judges in the space of less than three years? It’s almost as if Mitch McConnell had been sitting on all the nominations for years before the 2016 election, so that Trump could quickly grab control of the courts. It’s almost as if that’s true because it’s true. And, of course, should any court rule that someone from Trump’s team has to appear, they can still be pardoned, or still claim privilege. Because … why not? Trump has made it increasingly clear that, as far as he is concerned, Article 2 means he can “do whatever I like.” The result of Trump’s actions, in concert with Barr and McConnell, is that the United States is extraordinary vulnerable to misinformation, propaganda, and plain old lies. Because the sources of truth are off the table. It leaves impeachment as the only possible option. But it also means that any impeachment inquiry is also likely to face a repeat of the stonewall. There seems to be no force left that can move Barr to take any step to help in such a proceeding, and no threat from the judiciary that they can’t simply shrug off. How an autocrat in absolute control of the sources of information and the ability to mete out justice is dislodged is anyone’s guess. My opinion......Civil War? Daily Kos? ?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 27, 2019 12:20:27 GMT -8
Then why do Russian cyber signatures show up on servers the day after Individual 1 said that? And Moscow Mitch votes down election security bill. Hello, is anyone home, or are you planning to move to Moscow. Who says, "Russian cyber signatures show up...? And don't give me that "Intelligence Community" bull$#!+. Those assholes are up to their necks in this failed coup. I'm looking to see Brennan, Clapper, and Comey, along with their underlings swinging from a rope. Raise your hand if you are enough of a clueless lefist clown to think the Russians first sought out Hillary Clinton's or related servers ONLY after hearing of Trump's "classified" joke about her missing E-mails? The fact that the Weissmann Report even mentioned the joke shows us how desperate and how willing they were to grasp at even the thinnest and smallest of straws to put bogus crap into their report. Hillary deletes E-Mails under supoena and the left just yawns at the crime. Trump vents in private and does nothing to impede an investigation brought about by fraudulent means and we are in an Orwellian world where the "Thought Police" should be allowed to convict him. Don't we have enough statues to tear down, art to cover up and illegals to register to keep these people busy?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 27, 2019 12:39:08 GMT -8
Then why do Russian cyber signatures show up on servers the day after Individual 1 said that? And Moscow Mitch votes down election security bill. Hello, is anyone home, or are you planning to move to Moscow. In the case of Trump's Hillary E-Mail Server joke, the "True Believer" Democrats deserve all the respect and consideration of a Monty Python skit: Link: Joke Weapon
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jul 27, 2019 15:59:54 GMT -8
If you really think we live in an Orwellian world and the FBI is a thought police conspiracy then god help you if you're not living within a padded cell.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 27, 2019 17:15:11 GMT -8
If you really think we live in an Orwellian world and the FBI is a thought police conspiracy then god help you if you're not living within a padded cell. "I love the uneducated"
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jul 27, 2019 18:39:07 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 27, 2019 21:54:00 GMT -8
If you really think we live in an Orwellian world and the FBI is a thought police conspiracy then god help you if you're not living within a padded cell. Even your comrade can't seem to bring himself to parrot the Democrat party line about the phoney Trump Russia Collusion farse (or at least not yet anyhow). But you seemingly have bought into the lie... "And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth" 1984 - George Orwell
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Post by davdesid on Jul 28, 2019 10:00:23 GMT -8
If you really think we live in an Orwellian world and the FBI is a thought police conspiracy then god help you if you're not living within a padded cell. If you don't know what the rest of the world knows about Comey, McCabe, Peter Stroker and his peter stroking mistress, I bet you have to have someone tie your shoes. I want to see them, along with Clapper and Brennan face a firing squad.
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Post by davdesid on Jul 28, 2019 10:02:13 GMT -8
ROFL. If Trump were a fascist dictator you'd know it. You wouldn't be slinging snot on the Internet.
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Post by davdesid on Jul 28, 2019 10:06:23 GMT -8
If you really think we live in an Orwellian world and the FBI is a thought police conspiracy then god help you if you're not living within a padded cell. "I love the uneducated" This is the kind of arrogant condescending snot that led to Trump getting elected in the first place. Remember, the wages of smug is Trump. It's not about him, and it never has been. It's about you.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 28, 2019 12:12:32 GMT -8
This is the kind of arrogant condescending snot that led to Trump getting elected in the first place. Remember, the wages of smug is Trump. It's not about him, and it never has been. It's about you. uh, that's a direct quote from Trump Dave! do you think he has a history of hanging out with the people who are voting for him?? not. he just knows where the most easily manipulated are.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 28, 2019 12:20:27 GMT -8
This is the kind of arrogant condescending snot that led to Trump getting elected in the first place. Remember, the wages of smug is Trump. It's not about him, and it never has been. It's about you. uh, that's a direct quote from Trump Dave! do you think he has a history of hanging out with the people who are voting for him?? not. he just knows where the most easily manipulated are. ps, I can't beleive you support this whack job. Since you historically have great respect for the military, name one general who respects this guy??..hes a POS.
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Post by davdesid on Jul 28, 2019 13:08:45 GMT -8
uh, that's a direct quote from Trump Dave! do you think he has a history of hanging out with the people who are voting for him?? not. he just knows where the most easily manipulated are. ps, I can't beleive you support this whack job. Since you historically have great respect for the military, name one general who respects this guy??..hes a POS. Here's a list. It would probably have been much larger if not for the 8 year Obama purge. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/06/us/politics/military-letter.htmlRemember also, back in '16 it was this guy or something far far worse.
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Post by uwphoto on Jul 28, 2019 13:22:54 GMT -8
ps, I can't beleive you support this whack job. Since you historically have great respect for the military, name one general who respects this guy??..hes a POS. Here's a list. It would probably have been much larger if not for the 8 year Obama purge. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/06/us/politics/military-letter.htmlRemember also, back in '16 it was this guy or something far far worse. why are all these people retired...and no active?
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Post by davdesid on Jul 28, 2019 13:29:20 GMT -8
why are all these people retired...and no active? Active duty are forbidden by law from getting involved in politics one way or the other. I thought you knew that.
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