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Post by azteccc on May 16, 2019 12:20:26 GMT -8
Recruiting includes transfers, and signing a So Cal player for no reason other than to not “lose” (??) So Cal is not a good reason to sign a player. There are no “warning signs” when it comes to SDSU basketball recruiting. /shrug one man's trash is another man's treasure. i suppose you are intimately involved in the AAU/High School scene to be able to give that sort of comment credence No, but if you are maybe there are behind the scenes “warning signs” that only those in the know/you know about. I’d be curious to hear what those are. If not, and you’ve got just the same public information I have... then we should be in agreement. |
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Post by couldashoulda on May 16, 2019 12:30:10 GMT -8
My point is that I don't feel it's completely appropriate to bag on another program as "less than" when they kind of stomped us in our last meeting. Obviously the players they have recruited were good enough to beat the "better" program that night. Over the years, sure, the Aztecs have been the better program. But, things can change, sometimes in a hurry. Just look at Nevada and see their irrelevance prior to Mussleman. Understood, I am not bagging on USD, just pointing out that our program has been better than their's over many years now. As for Mussleman there are rumours that he didn't run a clean program. What is a fact is that he was a short timer there, looking to parlay some short term success into a better gig. Personally, I'm not comfortable having that kind of combination leading SDSU. I wasn't referring to you with the "Bagging" comment...I had responded to somebody else who said this, "his first two visits are probably very inductive of the types of programs that are interested him ", and the comment went on further to insinuate that Div. 1 coaches saw something different in Norris than the coaches of those programs. With a bit of deductive reasoning I assume he meant that a Div. 1 program like SDSU, and it's coaches, didn't see what the coaches of those other programs saw. I just pointed out that those other programs are Div. 1, just like SDSU, and that one of them beat us pretty badly in our most recent match up. I guess in a roundabout way what I was saying is that we shouldn't necessarily discount a recruit that is being recruited by a program that recently beat us. Is Norris worthy of a scholarship with SDSU? I have no idea. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:04:59 GMT -8
Dutcher's has 13 commits since Fisher retired two years ago in April 2017: Jordan Campbell??? He was a Beaver and is now a Bulldog. He was never an Aztec. Matt Mitchell Jordan Shackel Adam Seiko (Nobody) Malachi Flynn Ed Chang Aguek Arop Nathan Mensah Joel Mensah (Nobody) KJ Feagin Trey Pullium Yanni Wetzell Keshad Johnson (Still Open) |
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Post by Frantic on May 16, 2019 13:10:40 GMT -8
Yes. That's why my post referenced commits, not roster players.
It goes to the issue of the types of players committing to the program - or those SDSU is pursuing.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:54:36 GMT -8
Adam, Jordan, Nathan, Joel and Keshad all committed during the fall. Mitchell, Chang, and Arop were late adds as were our transfer players Flynn, Feagin, Wetzel and Pulliam. If you count the unfilled roster spots, we’ve had 10 scholarships open late in the game versus 5 that were filled in the fall. I fully support the pursuit of talent in the ever expanding transfer market. Still, the ratio of early versus late adds would seem to indicate that there has been some trouble securing HS players that meet the coaches standards.
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Post by Den60 on May 16, 2019 14:17:42 GMT -8
Understood, I am not bagging on USD, just pointing out that our program has been better than their's over many years now. As for Mussleman there are rumours that he didn't run a clean program. What is a fact is that he was a short timer there, looking to parlay some short term success into a better gig. Personally, I'm not comfortable having that kind of combination leading SDSU. I wasn't referring to you with the "Bagging" comment...I had responded to somebody else who said this, "his first two visits are probably very inductive of the types of programs that are interested him ", and the comment went on further to insinuate that Div. 1 coaches saw something different in Norris than the coaches of those programs. With a bit of deductive reasoning I assume he meant that a Div. 1 program like SDSU, and it's coaches, didn't see what the coaches of those other programs saw. I just pointed out that those other programs are Div. 1, just like SDSU, and that one of them beat us pretty badly in our most recent match up. I guess in a roundabout way what I was saying is that we shouldn't necessarily discount a recruit that is being recruited by a program that recently beat us. Is Norris worthy of a scholarship with SDSU? I have no idea. No worries. Now that he has been exposed, albeit limited, to Div 1 ball perhaps there are things the coaches have noted that affects their valuation of him. |
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Post by laaztec on May 16, 2019 16:22:44 GMT -8
Pretty evident SDSU was not after him.
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Post by hoobs on May 16, 2019 17:32:26 GMT -8
Adam, Jordan, Nathan, Joel and Keshad all committed during the fall. Mitchell, Chang, and Arop were late adds as were our transfer players Flynn, Feagin, Wetzel and Pulliam. If you count the unfilled roster spots, we’ve had 10 scholarships open late in the game versus 5 that were filled in the fall. I fully support the pursuit of talent in the ever expanding transfer market. Still, the ratio of early versus late adds would seem to indicate that there has been some trouble securing HS players that meet the coaches standards. Or... the ratio of early vs late adds instead reflects a shift in the overall recruiting marketplace -- esp for non-P6 programs. |
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Post by partytecs on May 16, 2019 18:12:44 GMT -8
We can discuss the disparity between the haves and have nots in college basketball. But I think the real issue is how are we doing as compared to the top end of the also rans. Mussellman was able to attract talent and depth to his team despite Nevada’s membership in the MWC and it’s complete lack of a resume. Fresno has been better than the Aztecs. Utah State had a really nice team last year. NM should be improved next year. Nate performed at decent, yet unspectacular, level last year. Like Cage, he would’ve been on the pine in OR. If he isn’t paired with a dominant front court player I think we may see him have a more difficult time next year. Regardless, Nate’s presence allowed McDaniels to get on track last year. Had the Aztecs signed a big body like Cage, Zylan and his all pac-12 abilities would’ve likely been wearing the red and black for two more years. I think Dutcher has done pretty well against the MWC. He has made the MWC tourney finals in his first two years. He made the NCAA tourney in has first year (I know we expect him to make it every year). He was 4-2 vs UNR. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 19:19:45 GMT -8
We can discuss the disparity between the haves and have nots in college basketball. But I think the real issue is how are we doing as compared to the top end of the also rans. Mussellman was able to attract talent and depth to his team despite Nevada’s membership in the MWC and it’s complete lack of a resume. Fresno has been better than the Aztecs. Utah State had a really nice team last year. NM should be improved next year. Nate performed at decent, yet unspectacular, level last year. Like Cage, he would’ve been on the pine in OR. If he isn’t paired with a dominant front court player I think we may see him have a more difficult time next year. Regardless, Nate’s presence allowed McDaniels to get on track last year. Had the Aztecs signed a big body like Cage, Zylan and his all pac-12 abilities would’ve likely been wearing the red and black for two more years. I think Dutcher has done pretty well against the MWC. He has made the MWC tourney finals in his first two years. He made the NCAA tourney in has first year (I know we expect him to make it every year). He was 4-2 vs UNR. The conference tournament is a poor measure of success. It is quite common for a lesser team to take the crown. Any team that wins the right 3 for 4 games earns a bid and can salvage an otherwise disappointing season. Making the finals means nothing unless those tournament wins are enough to complete an at-large NCAA or NIT resume. Tying for fourth in a conspicuously down MWC while earning a 125 Kenpom ranking is a more complete description of last season than “we one two out of our last 3 games.” |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 19:32:58 GMT -8
Adam, Jordan, Nathan, Joel and Keshad all committed during the fall. Mitchell, Chang, and Arop were late adds as were our transfer players Flynn, Feagin, Wetzel and Pulliam. If you count the unfilled roster spots, we’ve had 10 scholarships open late in the game versus 5 that were filled in the fall. I fully support the pursuit of talent in the ever expanding transfer market. Still, the ratio of early versus late adds would seem to indicate that there has been some trouble securing HS players that meet the coaches standards. Or... the ratio of early vs late adds instead reflects a shift in the overall recruiting marketplace -- esp for non-P6 programs. I think there has been a shift in the marketplace and that our coaches haven’t adjusted to that shift as well as some of our conference foes. Nevada was reloading every year. Last year, while we were again unable to fill our scholarships, the Wolfpack was unloading talented players. I don’t expect the Aztecs to be in the top 25 or to earn an at-large bid every year. If we want to be a player among the mid major teams we’ll need better results on the court, which starts on the recruiting trail. |
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Post by jdgaucho on May 16, 2019 19:46:53 GMT -8
Pretty evident SDSU was not after him. You sure? Cause you offered Norris in high school. And after he announced he was transferring, I'd expect SDSU to have tossed their hat in the ring like USD did. In any case, that's another 4* feather in the cap for UCSB. |
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Post by partytecs on May 16, 2019 20:15:14 GMT -8
I think Dutcher has done pretty well against the MWC. He has made the MWC tourney finals in his first two years. He made the NCAA tourney in has first year (I know we expect him to make it every year). He was 4-2 vs UNR. The conference tournament is a poor measure of success. It is quite common for a lesser team to take the crown. Any team that wins the right 3 for 4 games earns a bid and can salvage an otherwise disappointing season. Making the finals means nothing unless those tournament wins are enough to complete an at-large NCAA or NIT resume. Tying for fourth in a conspicuously down MWC while earning a 125 Kenpom ranking is a more complete description of last season than “we one two out of our last 3 games.” Poor measurement of success like beating a top 25 team all year 2 out of 3 games!!!! |
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Post by laaztec on May 16, 2019 20:18:33 GMT -8
Pretty evident SDSU was not after him. You sure? Cause you offered Norris in high school. And after he announced he was transferring, I'd expect SDSU to have tossed their hat in the ring like USD did. In any case, that's another 4* feather in the cap for UCSB. . Yes I’m sure. The SDSU beat writer said SDSU wasn’t pursuing him as a transfer |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 20:33:11 GMT -8
The conference tournament is a poor measure of success. It is quite common for a lesser team to take the crown. Any team that wins the right 3 for 4 games earns a bid and can salvage an otherwise disappointing season. Making the finals means nothing unless those tournament wins are enough to complete an at-large NCAA or NIT resume. Tying for fourth in a conspicuously down MWC while earning a 125 Kenpom ranking is a more complete description of last season than “we one two out of our last 3 games.” Poor measurement of success like beating a top 25 team all year 2 out of 3 games!!!! What did those wins do for our standing in the conference or nationally? There are fun games and moments in every season. Take off your homer glasses and the excuses lose their luster. |
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Post by jdgaucho on May 16, 2019 21:22:51 GMT -8
You sure? Cause you offered Norris in high school. And after he announced he was transferring, I'd expect SDSU to have tossed their hat in the ring like USD did. In any case, that's another 4* feather in the cap for UCSB. . Yes I’m sure. The SDSU beat writer said SDSU wasn’t pursuing him as a transfer Wow. Okay then. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 17, 2019 6:22:05 GMT -8
Gone! Heading miles away from SD!
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Post by jdgaucho on May 18, 2019 10:18:01 GMT -8
Perhaps once the coaches saw him in Div 1 competition they feel he isn't the "star" ranking he had out of high school. Where is MJ Cage these days? God knows we had people begging for him. We got Chol after he left Zona. Was he a superstar when he played for us? Recruiting can be a crap shoot unless your are Duke, Kentucky or some other blue blood who knows when they make a mistake they can recruit over it. We are not Duke or Kentucky. We are recruiting higher valued recruits and landing them rather than waiting until they bounce back. But that doesn't mean those recruits will produce. Our highest valued recruits have been Malik Pope and Winston Shepard. Neither made it to the NBA. The former was the biggest tease we have seen on campus. The latter was a solid player, great defense and leadership, but never lived up to his initial expectations, but I would love to have his clone on the team for four more years. Understood, I was looking for any "inside baseball" info? I just don't think that between AAU, college MBB scouting and recruiting services that they could get it "that wrong", meaning Norris was a 5-star player from Scout & Rivals, 4-star on ESPN. And his true skill level is Big West or WCC caliber? I get it; it happens, MJ Cage 4-star, sat at Oregon and then transferred to Pepperdine, but he wasn't a 5-star kid. It could be as simple as wanting to play closer to home for a coach he is comfortable with. Joe Pasternack recruited Norris when he was still an assistant at Arizona. But if the true skill level of transfers like Norris, JaQuori McLaughlin (4*, #72 Rivals, 2016 Mr. Basketball in Washington) and DeVearl Ramsey (4*, #117 Rivals) is Big West caliber, then isn't the bar much higher than you give credit for? a BW caliber team also won 31 games and advanced to the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament. |
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Post by bagtec on May 20, 2019 20:17:43 GMT -8
wish we would renew our series with the gauchos
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Post by Gundo on Aug 29, 2019 21:00:19 GMT -8
Ends up at San Francisco City College: assume could not make grades?
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