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Post by frustratedfan on Mar 18, 2019 9:55:35 GMT -8
Was USD's NET rating higher than ours? I'm totally shocked they got an invite USD's rating is 97. SDSU's is 116. OK, but Fresno State has a NET rating of 80. How do you explain USD, who has a NET rating of 97 and a losing record in the WCC, getting selected to the NIT over Fresno State who had a NET rating of 80 and a winning record in the MWC? That is ridiculous.
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Mar 18, 2019 10:03:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecfred on Mar 18, 2019 10:03:50 GMT -8
Call me crazy, but I wish we would have played in the CBI. Not because it matters as a tournament, but it would have been an outstanding opportunity to sit our starters and get guys PT that need to develop for next year. Even if it was only one game, I’d have liked to see Joel, Ed, and Adam get extended run when it matters. That alone is worth 40-50k in my opinion. West Virginia and DePaul weren’t too good for it this year. Nevada and Loyola won it just before making their great runs. Previous winners include Oregon, VCU and Pittsburgh. We aren’t (well, *shouldn’t* be) above it. Crazy! No way we pay to play then to sit the seniors and throw the scrubs in there to get their heads handed to them.
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Post by zed on Mar 18, 2019 10:24:59 GMT -8
I'm fine with Lil Sis in the NIT. The only time I watch it is when the Aztecs play in it. Now I can concentrate 100% on the Big Dance. Btw, Lil Sis is online tomorrow at Lil Penny.
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Post by 12414 on Mar 18, 2019 10:38:17 GMT -8
I'm fine with Lil Sis in the NIT. The only time I watch it is when the Aztecs play in it. Now I can concentrate 100% on the Big Dance. Btw, Lil Sis is online tomorrow at Lil Penny. I'm not fine with it. USD was the 32nd and last pick for the NIT. As I alluded to earlier in this thread, if the Aztecs had beat USD at Viejas - as they should have - USD does not go to the NIT. Just more salt in the wound of a disappointing season.
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Mar 18, 2019 10:41:19 GMT -8
Post by 12414 on Mar 18, 2019 10:41:19 GMT -8
Call me crazy, but I wish we would have played in the CBI. Not because it matters as a tournament, but it would have been an outstanding opportunity to sit our starters and get guys PT that need to develop for next year. Even if it was only one game, I’d have liked to see Joel, Ed, and Adam get extended run when it matters. That alone is worth 40-50k in my opinion. West Virginia and DePaul weren’t too good for it this year. Nevada and Loyola won it just before making their great runs. Previous winners include Oregon, VCU and Pittsburgh. We aren’t (well, *shouldn’t* be) above it. Crazy! No way we pay to play then to sit the seniors and throw the scrubs in there to get their heads handed to them. Agree. There were plenty of opportunities this season for Dutcher to play/develop Joel and Ed. Dutcher didn't use those opportunities during the season and he sure wouldn't in a pay-for-play tournament.
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Mar 18, 2019 11:29:24 GMT -8
Post by AztecCamera on Mar 18, 2019 11:29:24 GMT -8
It really is embarrassing that USD is in the tournament and the Aztecs aren't. I always gauge how well an Aztec team will do based on the USD game every year. If we lose to an inferior USD team and the city rival, the season is a bust. This has been the trend I have seen over the years.
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Mar 18, 2019 11:53:00 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 11:53:00 GMT -8
Why would SDSU or the MWC want to do the NCAA a favor? You do realize with the difference in seating capacity it becomes a $$ thing right? Favor my Azztecs!! Give me a break!! Because the Associated Students, who own Viejas, would make money from renting the arena. There are a lot of events scheduled there so it might not even be available. And, as RifelBooks says, it would take multiple upsets for USD to be allowed to host a game. They are only a 6 seed, and games are hosted by the higher seed. It would be pennies on the dollar if anything at all. San Diego State doesn't owe anyone anything. The NCAA snubbed SDSU for the 2016 tournament. Instead of having to pay the Aztecs they made money by conveniently putting them in the NIT. Also, if I am not mistaken, the home team not the Associated Students only receives something like 15% of ticket sales for hosting NIT games. I will let you guess where all the other money goes. Fresno and the MWC just got passed over to play in the NIT for a USD team that was 7-9 in conference. The NCAA can suck it!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 12:11:42 GMT -8
I don’t know why USD got the nod over Fresno. That selection goes against the typical NIT process. I haven’t Done a deep dive to see if other worthy teams were similarly passed over. The NIT is tricky as it’s field is largely determined by upsets in conference tournaments and the corresponding at-large bids to the NCAA tournament. I wouldn’t have guessed that a team with a NET ranking in the middle 90’s had a shot at an NIT at large bid.
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Post by AzTex on Mar 18, 2019 12:16:55 GMT -8
Because the Associated Students, who own Viejas, would make money from renting the arena. There are a lot of events scheduled there so it might not even be available. And, as RifelBooks says, it would take multiple upsets for USD to be allowed to host a game. They are only a 6 seed, and games are hosted by the higher seed. It would be pennies on the dollar if anything at all. San Diego State doesn't owe anyone anything. The NCAA snubbed SDSU for the 2016 tournament. Instead of having to pay the Aztecs they made money by conveniently putting them in the NIT. Also, if I am not mistaken, the home team not the Associated Students only receives something like 15% of ticket sales for hosting NIT games. I will let you guess where all the other money goes. Fresno and the MWC just got passed over to play in the NIT for a USD team that was 7-9 in conference. The NCAA can suck it!! The Associated Students OWN the arena. They would collect their normal rental fee for the use of the arena for allowing the game(s) to be played there. They rent the arena for lots of concerts during the year. The athletic department even has to rent the arena from the Associated Students for our own basketball games.
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Post by aardvark on Mar 18, 2019 14:47:00 GMT -8
USD's rating is 97. SDSU's is 116. OK, but Fresno State has a NET rating of 80. How do you explain USD, who has a NET rating of 97 and a losing record in the WCC, getting selected to the NIT over Fresno State who had a NET rating of 80 and a winning record in the MWC? That is ridiculous. It would appear Fresno St losing to Air Force at the end of February didn't help them. Then, Utah St beat them by 25 in the conference semis. They did themselves no favors. Also, the fact that the WCC is ranked higher than the MWC may have also played a role in their decision.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 18, 2019 15:00:29 GMT -8
OK, but Fresno State has a NET rating of 80. How do you explain USD, who has a NET rating of 97 and a losing record in the WCC, getting selected to the NIT over Fresno State who had a NET rating of 80 and a winning record in the MWC? That is ridiculous. It would appear Fresno St losing to Air Force at the end of February didn't help them. Then, Utah St beat them by 25 in the conference semis. They did themselves no favors. Also, the fact that the WCC is ranked higher than the MWC may have also played a role in their decision.Yeah... but USD was 7-9 (7th) in the WCC and Frenso was 13-5 (3rd) in the MW. Even rating the WCC ahead of the MW doesn't account for taking a 7th place team over a 3rd place team. USD beat Colorado (okay, good win), Wazzu (not really a good win), and BYU (eh, a decent win) Fresno beat Northwesern (not a great win), Cal (meaningless win... except that we couldn't do the same), SDSU (decent win x2), and Utah State (good win) There is ZERO reason to take USD over Fresno, unless you believe the BS about USD being called an "elite" institution in the recent bribery/fraud admissions scandal...
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Mar 18, 2019 15:34:23 GMT -8
Post by standiego on Mar 18, 2019 15:34:23 GMT -8
think Fresno got screwed .
Bottom line shows how the games we lost to USD and Brown at Home really hurt us . Also at CAL - can not keep losing to those type of teams during OOC
Is interesting that in the Maui T - Zags, Duke , Auburn, Iowa State all had very good seasons and in MM . Xavier who we beat in NIT could have been US ?
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Post by aardvark on Mar 18, 2019 15:35:56 GMT -8
It would appear Fresno St losing to Air Force at the end of February didn't help them. Then, Utah St beat them by 25 in the conference semis. They did themselves no favors. Also, the fact that the WCC is ranked higher than the MWC may have also played a role in their decision.Yeah... but USD was 7-9 (7th) in the WCC and Frenso was 13-5 (3rd) in the MW. Even rating the WCC ahead of the MW doesn't account for taking a 7th place team over a 3rd place team. USD beat Colorado (okay, good win), Wazzu (not really a good win), and BYU (eh, a decent win) Fresno beat Northwesern (not a great win), Cal (meaningless win... except that we couldn't do the same), SDSU (decent win x2), and Utah State (good win) There is ZERO reason to take USD over Fresno, unless you believe the BS about USD being called an "elite" institution in the recent bribery/fraud admissions scandal... Who knows what those selection clowns were thinking.
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Post by hoobs on Mar 18, 2019 15:59:26 GMT -8
Yeah... but USD was 7-9 (7th) in the WCC and Frenso was 13-5 (3rd) in the MW. Even rating the WCC ahead of the MW doesn't account for taking a 7th place team over a 3rd place team. USD beat Colorado (okay, good win), Wazzu (not really a good win), and BYU (eh, a decent win) Fresno beat Northwesern (not a great win), Cal (meaningless win... except that we couldn't do the same), SDSU (decent win x2), and Utah State (good win) There is ZERO reason to take USD over Fresno, unless you believe the BS about USD being called an "elite" institution in the recent bribery/fraud admissions scandal... Who knows what those selection clowns were thinking. And realize these are the NIT clowns, not even the top-ranked clowns...
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Mar 18, 2019 16:17:50 GMT -8
It really is embarrassing that USD is in the tournament and the Aztecs aren't. I always gauge how well an Aztec team will do based on the USD game every year. If we lose to an inferior USD team and the city rival, the season is a bust. This has been the trend I have seen over the years. Doubly embarrassing, they lost to them in baseball too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 20:41:01 GMT -8
It would be pennies on the dollar if anything at all. San Diego State doesn't owe anyone anything. The NCAA snubbed SDSU for the 2016 tournament. Instead of having to pay the Aztecs they made money by conveniently putting them in the NIT. Also, if I am not mistaken, the home team not the Associated Students only receives something like 15% of ticket sales for hosting NIT games. I will let you guess where all the other money goes. Fresno and the MWC just got passed over to play in the NIT for a USD team that was 7-9 in conference. The NCAA can suck it!! The Associated Students OWN the arena. They would collect their normal rental fee for the use of the arena for allowing the game(s) to be played there. They rent the arena for lots of concerts during the year. The athletic department even has to rent the arena from the Associated Students for our own basketball games. You are not going to convince me that hosting a NIT game without the Aztecs playing in it is somehow beneficial to the University or the MWC. It would be a slap in the face and just another way for the NCAA to make more money. USD getting in over Fresno is a complete joke!! The NCAA is nothing but a greedy corrupt institution and has constantly gone out of the way to exculude MWC teams. Again, SDSU doesn't owe anyone any favors.
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Post by jdaztec on Mar 18, 2019 21:04:12 GMT -8
The final NCAA straw for me ( while remembering our loss of scholarships for carrying logs on the beach in winter) was UNC not getting penalized at all when their players getting passing grades for classes they never even attended.
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 20, 2019 11:01:12 GMT -8
If SDSU had beaten USD, are we in the NIT over them?
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Mar 20, 2019 11:12:41 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuballer on Mar 20, 2019 11:12:41 GMT -8
Just goes to show you that Dutchers slow start to the season in both years has cost him a seeding and NIT tournament.. I would like to see our program take an international trip like Duke and USD over the summer. I bet you that teams that do it have a better start to the season.
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