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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 12, 2019 22:38:22 GMT -8
With Schakel out, we're going to see more time from Norain than I'd prefer… Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:56:33 GMT -8
With Schakel out, we're going to see more time from Norain than I'd prefer… Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards. When Schakel was healthy he was part of the starting five: Watson, Hemsley, Schakel, Mitchell, and McDaniels. The primary beneficiaries in his absence have been N. Mensah and, due to shift in his role, McDaniels.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 12, 2019 23:08:39 GMT -8
Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards. When Schakel was healthy he was part of the starting five: Watson, Hemsley, Schakel, Mitchell, and McDaniels. The primary beneficiaries in his absence have been N. Mensah and, due to shift in his role, McDaniels. That's true from the point that Mensah replaced Schakel in the starting 5... What I was referring to was the distribution of minutes in the rotation... Schakel had been getting 6th man minutes since coming off the bench, and with him out, Seiko has been getting more minutes in the guard rotation, as Arop has been getting decent time backing up the 3 and 4. With only 3 guards to share 40 minutes (or more, as they've played a 3 guard lineup at times) Seiko gets most of Schakel's time, with Mitchell pulling a little guard time as well.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 12, 2019 23:18:47 GMT -8
Bottom line: They gutted out a very important road win in a game that would probably have been a loss earlier in the season. With Schakel unavailable, two of our three rotation "big men" in foul trouble, and the third dealing with back spasms against one of the better inside bruisers in the conference in Carvacho, there were plenty of potential excuses for falling short. Instead they did what needed to be done and beat a team they should beat (something that's not always easy to do on the road, at altitude, in this conference). My only gripe about their play in this game was the sloppy passing and ball handling that led to a far too high 16 turnovers. Definitely room for improvement there, but unlike earlier in the season, they didn't panic and lose focus when CSU made runs at them (and briefly took the lead). They're getting better at playing as a team and getting all the new pieces into the flow of the game. I see definite progress.
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Post by sdsuballer on Feb 12, 2019 23:59:02 GMT -8
Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards. When Schakel was healthy he was part of the starting five: Watson, Hemsley, Schakel, Mitchell, and McDaniels. The primary beneficiaries in his absence have been N. Mensah and, due to shift in his role, McDaniels. Schakel was part of the rotation because Dutcher was reinventing the game of basketball with his small line. Stuberness cost him five losses this year because he wanted to start his five best players albeit even if all of them were under 6ft tall. As a result they were being outrebounded by a large defecit when the crowds of people in here were calling for Nathan to start even if he was raw. With a few illness and Schakel injury he was forced to start Nathan. Even when Schakel was coming off the bench he was playing his small line up 25 plus minutes a game. The interesting part will be when Schakel comes back to see if Dutchers small line will continue getting 25 plus minute as a unit.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Feb 13, 2019 5:56:33 GMT -8
I wonder if they count offensive fouls as turn-overs?...'cause we definitely had a LOT of those (3 of McDaniels' 4 fouls were offensive)...there were several other players called for offensive fouls as well (bad screen, hooking, push-offs etc)
Of course there were regular TOs as well - a very rare 3-sec violation...traveling calls...and of course CSU steals due to bad passing...
I'm not saying the refs were wrong on any of those calls...but it wasn't just errant passing and dribbling that caused Aztec TOs
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Post by junior on Feb 13, 2019 6:20:16 GMT -8
With Schakel out, we're going to see more time from Norain than I'd prefer… Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards. When I posted that last night, both Schakel AND Mensah were out (Mensah icing his back again). I don't think we'd have seen more Seiko in that case, but whatever. I guess if Mensah really is hurt (he's spent portions of the past two games icing his back during the games) we'll soon find out.
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Post by moctezumaii on Feb 13, 2019 7:01:01 GMT -8
Bottom line: They gutted out a very important road win in a game that would probably have been a loss earlier in the season. With Schakel unavailable, two of our three rotation "big men" in foul trouble, and the third dealing with back spasms against one of the better inside bruisers in the conference in Carvacho, there were plenty of potential excuses for falling short. Instead they did what needed to be done and beat a team they should beat (something that's not always easy to do on the road, at altitude, in this conference). My only gripe about their play in this game was the sloppy passing and ball handling that led to a far too high 16 turnovers. Definitely room for improvement there, but unlike earlier in the season, they didn't panic and lose focus when CSU made runs at them (and briefly took the lead). They're getting better at playing as a team and getting all the new pieces into the flow of the game. I see definite progress. Regarding turnovers, you can't blame the whole team for McDaniels' carelessness. He had 6 turnovers, whole rest of the team had 10.
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Post by aztecmichael on Feb 13, 2019 8:29:54 GMT -8
When Schakel was healthy he was part of the starting five: Watson, Hemsley, Schakel, Mitchell, and McDaniels. The primary beneficiaries in his absence have been N. Mensah and, due to shift in his role, McDaniels. Schakel was part of the rotation because Dutcher was reinventing the game of basketball with his small line. Stuberness cost him five losses this year because he wanted to start his five best players albeit even if all of them were under 6ft tall. As a result they were being outrebounded by a large defecit when the crowds of people in here were calling for Nathan to start even if he was raw. With a few illness and Schakel injury he was forced to start Nathan. Even when Schakel was coming off the bench he was playing his small line up 25 plus minutes a game. The interesting part will be when Schakel comes back to see if Dutchers small line will continue getting 25 plus minute as a unit. Nothing wrong with small ball. Villanova has won with it among others. The problem is we were playing it with un-athletic guys. To play small ball, you need multiple guys that can beat their man off the dribble and get into the key to dish for easy looks. Defensively, you need to be able to pressure the ball and then find a way to rebound. Our most recent example was 2012 when we had Jamaal at the 4 with Tapley, Thames, Rahon and either Green or Shelton. That team was strong, clutch and Jamaal was a beast on the boards. Mitchell, Schakel, Watson are all slower guys, who aren't that functionally strong. I have no problem with the philosophy, we just don't have the players for it.
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Post by untitled on Feb 13, 2019 8:35:56 GMT -8
Really like our young guys. Dreaming of Jalen coming back with or without lil bro to play with an even better Mensah.
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Post by azson on Feb 13, 2019 8:37:49 GMT -8
I think that number O on the front of Watson's jersey actually stands for offense, as in instant offense. He can put a team to sleep, quick. Agreed. What's frustrating is the inconsistency. As he goes, we go. If we can make the top 5 like last year, and he can avoid a down game during the tourney (e.g. his 5-17/0-4 game @unm), I like our chances.
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Post by johnnyutah on Feb 13, 2019 8:51:43 GMT -8
I wonder if they count offensive fouls as turn-overs?...'cause we definitely had a LOT of those (3 of McDaniels' 4 fouls were offensive)...there were several other players called for offensive fouls as well (bad screen, hooking, push-offs etc) Of course there were regular TOs as well - a very rare 3-sec violation...traveling calls...and of course CSU steals due to bad passing... I'm not saying the refs were wrong on any of those calls...but it wasn't just errant passing and dribbling that caused Aztec TOs Offensive fouls do count as turnovers. McDaniels needs to be more careful with guys chasing him from behind. There was one offensive foul where I don’t know what they called — looked liked anything he got fouled.
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Post by legkick on Feb 13, 2019 8:56:49 GMT -8
Offensive fouls do count as turnovers. McDaniels needs to be more careful with guys chasing him from behind. There was one offensive foul where I don’t know what they called — looked liked anything he got fouled. One was a screen near the key where he freed Mensah up. Imo, he was the one who got fouled there, by Carvacho. CSU had hardly any fouls called on them while the game was in doubt.
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 13, 2019 12:27:17 GMT -8
I think that number O on the front of Watson's jersey actually stands for offense, as in instant offense. He can put a team to sleep, quick. Agreed. What's frustrating is the inconsistency. As he goes, we go. If we can make the top 5 like last year, and he can avoid a down game during the tourney (e.g. his 5-17/0-4 game @unm), I like our chances. Yeah, but the good thing is that McDaniels offense is really starting to take off consistently. Hopefully, if one is off, the other can make up for it. If they're both on fire, then look out.
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Post by sdsuballer on Feb 13, 2019 12:53:31 GMT -8
The big lineup put this game in the refrigerator.. CSU could not shot or make a bucket. We were also getting second shots. I believe CSU went 0-10 during that time period.
Big Line up:
PG Hemsley G: Mitchell SF: Arop PF: McDaniel C: Mensah
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Feb 13, 2019 12:55:22 GMT -8
Schakel's absence has minimal effect on Narain's playing time... he rotates with the Nathan Mensah (with a few minutes to Joel Mensah). I'd guess that Seiko is the primary beneficiary of Schakel's minutes, and some to Arop, as Mitchell probably gets a few minutes at the 2 since without Schakel we're a bit thin at guard, with only Hemsley, Watson, and Seiko being true guards. When I posted that last night, both Schakel AND Mensah were out (Mensah icing his back again). I don't think we'd have seen more Seiko in that case, but whatever. I guess if Mensah really is hurt (he's spent portions of the past two games icing his back during the games) we'll soon find out. Making the decision to minimize, if not entirely eliminate, Jalen playing the 5 is the primary factor in Narain's increase in minutes. If Nathan Mensah misses any significant time, I suspect that an increase in floor time for both Narain and Joel Mensah would be the response. The alternative of having Jalen play more at the 5 might be a risk of setting back his progress that Dutcher may not be willing to take.
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Post by docmm on Feb 13, 2019 13:23:02 GMT -8
Loved how much N Mensah sucked it up with his bad back and kept coming out on the court. When he was going down the court on defense he looked pained but as soon as Carvacho would come down, he manned up and played him hard. I thought he outplayed him even with his bad back. I'd love to know how many of Carvacho's points and rebounds he got on Narain.
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Post by sdsuball on Feb 13, 2019 22:04:21 GMT -8
Schakel was part of the rotation because Dutcher was reinventing the game of basketball with his small line. Stuberness cost him five losses this year because he wanted to start his five best players albeit even if all of them were under 6ft tall. As a result they were being outrebounded by a large defecit when the crowds of people in here were calling for Nathan to start even if he was raw. With a few illness and Schakel injury he was forced to start Nathan. Even when Schakel was coming off the bench he was playing his small line up 25 plus minutes a game. The interesting part will be when Schakel comes back to see if Dutchers small line will continue getting 25 plus minute as a unit. Nothing wrong with small ball. Villanova has won with it among others. The problem is we were playing it with un-athletic guys. To play small ball, you need multiple guys that can beat their man off the dribble and get into the key to dish for easy looks. Defensively, you need to be able to pressure the ball and then find a way to rebound. Our most recent example was 2012 when we had Jamaal at the 4 with Tapley, Thames, Rahon and either Green or Shelton. That team was strong, clutch and Jamaal was a beast on the boards. Mitchell, Schakel, Watson are all slower guys, who aren't that functionally strong. I have no problem with the philosophy, we just don't have the players for it. If I recall our Aztecs got killed by North Carolina St. on the boards in the NCAA tourney that year They had height and size inside and we didn't.
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Post by johnnyutah on Feb 14, 2019 9:43:11 GMT -8
Arop was very impressive at CSU. 4 steals, 5 rebounds and 3 assists in 20 minutes. He needs to learn to slow down a bit, but he gives us a whole different look defensively when he’s in there. It’ll be interesting to see how the minutes are distributed once schakel is back.
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