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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 10, 2019 11:36:14 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Feb 10, 2019 11:51:54 GMT -8
This article is no longer available. Could you please summarize what it said? Thanks, AzWm |
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Post by junior on Feb 10, 2019 12:32:22 GMT -8
#1 - it was about UCSD, not SDSU (west or otherwise);
#2 - it's off-topic here;
#3 - it's not even available for discussion. But it was in the paper this morning.
(A google search UCSD foreign students SDUT will turn up the same link to the article as the link above, but at least the article is available from there…)
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Post by AzTex on Feb 10, 2019 12:38:00 GMT -8
This article is no longer available. Could you please summarize what it said? Thanks, AzWm The link should end in .html not .htm. Copy the link and add the "l" at the end and it works. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 10, 2019 12:41:35 GMT -8
The UC’s are broken and are turning into a Quasi private system. I once thought the CSU and UC System’s should be merged. However, it is best to leave them separate and allow the UC’s to grant PHDs.
We pay massive taxes in CA, at least they could do is honor the commitment to post secondary education. Too many kids going
to National or out of State.
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Post by rickdoerr on Feb 10, 2019 15:06:53 GMT -8
The UC’s are broken and are turning into a Quasi private system. I once thought the CSU and UC System’s should be merged. However, it is best to leave them separate and allow the UC’s to grant PHDs. We pay massive taxes in CA, at least they could do is honor the commitment to post secondary education. Too many kids going to National or out of State. Don't the UCs offer PHDs? Isn't it the Cal State system that should be allowed to offer Doctorates? Are areas of research also limited for the CSUs? |
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Post by junior on Feb 10, 2019 17:15:25 GMT -8
The UC’s are broken and are turning into a Quasi private system. I once thought the CSU and UC System’s should be merged. However, it is best to leave them separate and allow the UC’s to grant PHDs. We pay massive taxes in CA, at least they could do is honor the commitment to post secondary education. Too many kids going to National or out of State. Don't the UCs offer PHDs? Isn't it the Cal State system that should be allowed to offer Doctorates? Are areas of research also limited for the CSUs? CSU wasn't involved in the conferring of doctoral degrees until recently (2005). Even then only SDSU was designated as a doctoral university - and most of the PhDs conferred were joint-doctoral partnerships with other doctoral universities. www2.calstate.edu/csu-system/news/Pages/three-csu-campuses-reclassified-as-doctoral-universities.aspxThings have changed over the past decade, though, so there are more PhDs coming from CSU … though most programs remain as joint-doctoral degrees. If you look at the offerings at SDSU, almost all of them have a partnership with a UC or a major private doctoral university in California. Fresno State, CSU Fullerton and San Francisco State were reclassified as a doctoral university in the 2015 edition of the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education rankings system, which identifies American institutions of higher education for comparisons.
This change occurs when a university graduates more than 20 doctoral degrees per year, a figure that the Fresno, San Francisco and Fullerton campuses have exceeded in recent years. The three join San Diego State, which was previously the only CSU campus to be categorized as a doctoral university.
In 2005, the CSU marked a significant educational milestone when it broadened its degree offerings to include independent doctoral degrees. Before 2005, state law required CSU doctorates to be offered in partnership with a UC campus or other California doctoral institution. |
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Post by jdgaucho on Feb 10, 2019 23:10:04 GMT -8
School officials estimate that this fall, for the first time, the campus will collect more money from undergraduates who come from outside California than from the Golden State. The projected bounty: $275 million.
Much of the revenue comes from the United States’ chief economic and political rival — China. It sent the campus roughly 5,300 students last fall, close to the same number that was drawn from greater San Diego.
The majority of the students study engineering, science or mathematics, contributing to UC San Diego’s rise as a mecca for STEM programs.
I wonder how many legit ballers there are in China?
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Feb 11, 2019 5:56:37 GMT -8
Using our resources to make China stronger is just sad. Voters in California are paying, we should have the benefits.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Feb 11, 2019 7:18:45 GMT -8
The UC’s are broken and are turning into a Quasi private system. I once thought the CSU and UC System’s should be merged. However, it is best to leave them separate and allow the UC’s to grant PHDs. We pay massive taxes in CA, at least they could do is honor the commitment to post secondary education. Too many kids going to National or out of State. Don't the UCs offer PHDs? Isn't it the Cal State system that should be allowed to offer Doctorates? Are areas of research also limited for the CSUs? Yes, meant CSU offer not UC. |
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Post by jdgaucho on Feb 11, 2019 9:17:20 GMT -8
Using our resources to make China stronger is just sad. Voters in California are paying, we should have the benefits. OTOH, at least we now know who's funding UCSD's Division 1 push. China loves its BW  |
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Post by hoobs on Feb 11, 2019 9:27:58 GMT -8
Using our resources to make China stronger is just sad. Voters in California are paying, we should have the benefits. One likely reason for this.. there might not be enough truly qualified residents (CA or SD-local) to fill the spots in STEM graduate programs. The cause of that is a discussion left for another day. |
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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 11, 2019 10:36:13 GMT -8
Sorry my link did not copy. We told SD that there would be the possibility that it might be easier for future generations to get into SDSU if the Campus is bigger.
I under stood we took in more out of State Students to help raise income for SDSU.
No using diversity has a reason to bring in 5,000 Chinese students in not about the need for diversity. That is hurting California minorities.
I am saying will we have to follow what UCSD does? We have a larger funding issue.
I would like the State to protect California residents.
I thought the UC system had to take the top kids in California. I herad Burkley is 43 % assian because of tests scores.
Two years ago I posted that football at Cal would have attendance issue in the future.
People yell racist but I am an accountant and look at numbers.
The students that don't follow sports are not going to start in College.
It is already harder to find kids willing to play football in Calif. now.
I look at the UC System and now say thanks for sending us so many smart students!
Change is here already.
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Post by junior on Feb 11, 2019 18:23:51 GMT -8
Burkley? assian? Racist?  |
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Post by Spud on Feb 12, 2019 5:13:28 GMT -8
Sorry my link did not copy. We told SD that there would be the possibility that it might be easier for future generations to get into SDSU if the Campus is bigger. I under stood we took in more out of State Students to help raise income for SDSU. No using diversity has a reason to bring in 5,000 Chinese students in not about the need for diversity. That is hurting California minorities. I am saying will we have to follow what UCSD does? We have a larger funding issue. I would like the State to protect California residents. I thought the UC system had to take the top kids in California. I herad Burkley is 43 % assian because of tests scores. Two years ago I posted that football at Cal would have attendance issue in the future. People yell racist but I am an accountant and look at numbers. The students that don't follow sports are not going to start in College. It is already harder to find kids willing to play football in Calif. now. I look at the UC System and now say thanks for sending us so many smart students! Change is here already. Are you having a stroke? |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Feb 12, 2019 22:36:36 GMT -8
Yes. Change is here already. It is strange to know that if I were applying to SDSU today I probably wouldn't get in. My son is only 6 years old and is crazy athletic with me being a 6'5" former football player and his mother also being a 5'11" former athlete. He took his first steps at a tailgate near H3 and has been to every home game. He loves going, looks great in his gear, knows the 'fight-fight-fight' part of of the song, and the signal for first down but he will never play the game. His head will not be subjected to the pounding I know first hand is required to reach any level of success in that sport. Although I'm coming at it from a different direction, I do understand the frustration. I do. I feel the pain of it. The world is changing and I am a dinosaur. My son would be the best, most meat-eating, fastest running, fearsome dinosaur ever if I wanted that. Instead he needs to be better than I am. You always want your kid to be better than you are but coming to the realization that so much of me had to be scrapped to make it in the new world is a tough pill to swallow. Adaptation has always been the name of the game. The best you can do is to provide him with the best available tools. SDSU-West is that. If the competition to reach the tools is raised a bit by people from other parts of the world then he'll just have to compete harder. I'm good with that. I've found that you don't respect what you don't have to fight for. If it is easy it is worthless. Although I am a dinosaur, at least I'm a San Diego dinosaur. I can't even imagine the Virginia dinosaur parents who won't get the chance to teach their kids the proper way to apply blackface make-up. Ha! I double-dog dare you to upvote that joke. |
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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 13, 2019 11:44:42 GMT -8
I constantly discus this with my girl fried. She says all schools have mulitple people applying. I said school like Pen State have above 60,000 students so they should be bigger then us.
This is my conclusion. U of Cal schools only want advance degrees give out. They don't want to teach regular students.
Explaining just how large California is it makes sense kids want to pay in State rates and they are flooding SDSD.
So we are getting all these smart kids because they are not wanted in the Cal system. They know about SDSU way more the the National kids!
I don't see the Cal system as State schools any more.
Should they let all State Schools go private? They have lost control.
The State has held us back for ever.
The unintentional actions of the Cal. Schools has helped us rise on the National Seen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 12:52:32 GMT -8
I constantly discus this with my girl fried. She says all schools have mulitple people applying. I said school like Pen State have above 60,000 students so they should be bigger then us. This is my conclusion. U of Cal schools only want advance degrees give out. They don't want to teach regular students. Explaining just how large California is it makes sense kids want to pay in State rates and they are flooding SDSD. So we are getting all these smart kids because they are not wanted in the Cal system. They know about SDSU way more the the National kids! I don't see the Cal system as State schools any more. Should they let all State Schools go private? They have lost control. The State has held us back for ever. The unintentional actions of the Cal. Schools has helped us rise on the National Seen. I don’t even know where to begin. |
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Post by couldashoulda on Feb 13, 2019 14:02:56 GMT -8
I constantly discus this with my girl fried. She says all schools have mulitple people applying. I said school like Pen State have above 60,000 students so they should be bigger then us. This is my conclusion. U of Cal schools only want advance degrees give out. They don't want to teach regular students. Explaining just how large California is it makes sense kids want to pay in State rates and they are flooding SDSD. So we are getting all these smart kids because they are not wanted in the Cal system. They know about SDSU way more the the National kids! I don't see the Cal system as State schools any more. Should they let all State Schools go private? They have lost control. The State has held us back for ever. The unintentional actions of the Cal. Schools has helped us rise on the National Seen. I don’t even know where to begin. How about start with girl fried? Pretty effin funny! |
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Post by junior on Feb 13, 2019 15:29:14 GMT -8
So much for that…
Oh well. One thing that does stand out is the difference between the CSU and UC systems - and that difference goes Waaaaay back. Times have changed since the days of land grant universities like UC and State Normal Schools like the CSUs. So over the years, the missions of each (UC and CSU) have diverged somewhat, but now they're converging ever so slowly.
However, fiefdoms are hard to break down, and while UC is good with the statewide audiences and students who live on-campus, CSUs still tend to be ruled by local attendance boundaries and commuter students. And there's definitely an affordability variable to be considered as well.
And with CCs now getting into the 4-year matriculation game with their own degree payoffs, the whole system in California is about to get a whole lot more interesting - particularly when the cost of a college education to students and their families gets the consideration it deserves …
I have some feelings that there's probably a strong economic class bias involved in the 4 levels (private, UC, CSU, CC) - but I'm pretty sure this isn't the best place to air them.
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