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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 18, 2019 11:32:53 GMT -8
If Trump would actually read something vs. watching Faux News all day he might realize that a border wall is not the only solution.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 18, 2019 17:01:57 GMT -8
it just got ten feet higher
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 18, 2019 20:53:38 GMT -8
They were caught. A wall slowed them down enough to be detected and apprehended. The wall worked in that sense but the stupid laws that will let them all stay in the US regardless did not.
The desire is better border security (so say the liars). That comes with better barriers (~walls, sensors, officers) and better laws (that will deter attempted illegal crossings in the first place).
It's a farce to think better border security can come without both of the main requirements being met.
The leftists wants no change to the laws but, even if they did allow that, some leftist clown as President in the future could opt to not enforce the laws (just as B. Hussein did).
So only a better barrier is feared by the left. Partly because they know it will play well in midwest politics and partly because they know it would outlast Trump as an effective detterent to illegal immigration if the new laws are obeyed.
So the left will oppose a better barrier until the ship of state is swamped with undocumented Democrats and not a day sooner.
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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 18, 2019 21:37:45 GMT -8
They were caught. A wall slowed them down enough to be detected and apprehended. The wall worked in that sense but the stupid laws that will let them all stay in the US regardless did not. The desire is better border security (so say the liars). That comes with better barriers (~walls, sensors, officers) and better laws (that will deter attempted illegal crossings in the first place). It's a farce to think better border security can come without both of the main requirements being met. The leftists wants no change to the laws but, even if they did allow that, some leftist clown as President in the future could opt to not enforce the laws (just as B. Hussein did). So only a better barrier is feared by the left. Partly because they know it will play well in midwest politics and partly because they know it would outlast Trump as an effective detterent to illegal immigration if the new laws are obeyed. So the left will oppose a better barrier until the ship of state is swamped with undocumented Democrats and not a day sooner. A lock keeps honest people honest. Describe the wall that will prevent those with the resources, intelligence and determination to get over or under. Assuming you pay taxes how much is appropriate to pay for this great wall?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 19, 2019 9:35:17 GMT -8
They were caught. A wall slowed them down enough to be detected and apprehended. The wall worked in that sense but the stupid laws that will let them all stay in the US regardless did not. The desire is better border security (so say the liars). That comes with better barriers (~walls, sensors, officers) and better laws (that will deter attempted illegal crossings in the first place). It's a farce to think better border security can come without both of the main requirements being met. The leftists wants no change to the laws but, even if they did allow that, some leftist clown as President in the future could opt to not enforce the laws (just as B. Hussein did). So only a better barrier is feared by the left. Partly because they know it will play well in midwest politics and partly because they know it would outlast Trump as an effective detterent to illegal immigration if the new laws are obeyed. So the left will oppose a better barrier until the ship of state is swamped with undocumented Democrats and not a day sooner. A lock keeps honest people honest. Describe the wall that will prevent those with the resources, intelligence and determination to get over or under. Assuming you pay taxes how much is appropriate to pay for this great wall? Oh please...anyone bringing up the affordability of the project and the concern for the taxpayer is phony from the get go. When you consider the cost of illegal immigration over the decades and that nothing serious has been done about it to stem its tide since a promise made to Reagan, its a bit rich to bring it up now. I even saw Bernie mention the cost. Too funny! It takes a complete approach - better barriers, better laws, better enforcement. The left wants none of it until they are in complete control and the cost of the welfare state would then be their concern. As it is now, getting back to power is the #1 concern and "doing nothing" is their strategy.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 19, 2019 11:08:39 GMT -8
They were caught. A wall slowed them down enough to be detected and apprehended. The wall worked in that sense but the stupid laws that will let them all stay in the US regardless did not. The desire is better border security (so say the liars). That comes with better barriers (~walls, sensors, officers) and better laws (that will deter attempted illegal crossings in the first place). It's a farce to think better border security can come without both of the main requirements being met. The leftists wants no change to the laws but, even if they did allow that, some leftist clown as President in the future could opt to not enforce the laws (just as B. Hussein did). So only a better barrier is feared by the left. Partly because they know it will play well in midwest politics and partly because they know it would outlast Trump as an effective detterent to illegal immigration if the new laws are obeyed. So the left will oppose a better barrier until the ship of state is swamped with undocumented Democrats and not a day sooner. A lock keeps honest people honest. Describe the wall that will prevent those with the resources, intelligence and determination to get over or under. Assuming you pay taxes how much is appropriate to pay for this great wall? Wait, you neglected to call it: "a great big beautiful wall"!
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Post by davdesid on Jan 19, 2019 11:53:13 GMT -8
They were caught. A wall slowed them down enough to be detected and apprehended. The wall worked in that sense but the stupid laws that will let them all stay in the US regardless did not. The desire is better border security (so say the liars). That comes with better barriers (~walls, sensors, officers) and better laws (that will deter attempted illegal crossings in the first place). It's a farce to think better border security can come without both of the main requirements being met. The leftists wants no change to the laws but, even if they did allow that, some leftist clown as President in the future could opt to not enforce the laws (just as B. Hussein did). So only a better barrier is feared by the left. Partly because they know it will play well in midwest politics and partly because they know it would outlast Trump as an effective detterent to illegal immigration if the new laws are obeyed. So the left will oppose a better barrier until the ship of state is swamped with undocumented Democrats and not a day sooner. A lock keeps honest people honest. Describe the wall that will prevent those with the resources, intelligence and determination to get over or under. Assuming you pay taxes how much is appropriate to pay for this great wall? Something less than 135 Billion since that is what we pay for illegal immigration now.
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Post by davdesid on Jan 19, 2019 11:53:27 GMT -8
Lurch and Morticia....
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jan 20, 2019 9:53:49 GMT -8
From what I've heard we've given him $1.5 billion and he hasn't even spent it. Perhaps if he could show some progress he could get more money. But if most of the caravan have given up and many are going back home the wall/fence we have is working and just needs maintenance repairs, and better border patrol, sensors & officers like others have pointed out. I heard Israel has an electric fence, why hasn't that been brought up?
We need a task force to study the issue instead of just throwing good money after bad.
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Post by azteccc on Jan 21, 2019 16:51:04 GMT -8
The leftists wants no change to the laws Well hell, that just isn’t true now buster! You just might not like how we change them. First order of business should be abolishing ICE.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 21, 2019 16:52:13 GMT -8
The leftists wants no change to the laws Well hell, that just isn’t true now buster! You just might not like how we change them. First order of business should be abolishing ICE. :rotflmao
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 25, 2019 14:16:34 GMT -8
sounds like it just got 10 feet lower..
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 25, 2019 14:21:03 GMT -8
ps: Limbaugh and Coulter are perhaps 25% of the population. if you want to do everything they say and piss off the rest of the country...eventually the guillatine (figuratively) is coming back.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 25, 2019 15:52:25 GMT -8
ps: Limbaugh and Coulter are perhaps 25% of the population. if you want to do everything they say and piss off the rest of the country...eventually the guillatine (figuratively) is coming back. Funny you mentioned guillotine, the riots are in France, not here.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 25, 2019 21:12:48 GMT -8
ps: Limbaugh and Coulter are perhaps 25% of the population. if you want to do everything they say and piss off the rest of the country...eventually the guillatine (figuratively) is coming back. Funny you mentioned guillotine, the riots are in France, not here. Actually, it's a bit surprising that with all the volatility of the last 2 years..there have been no riots here. If this was the 1960's, the lid would have come off 10x. If you lived through that period, you know what I mean. Could be the digital age where people and organizations just gaslight each other safely online!
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Post by cmonaztecs on Jan 28, 2019 11:10:54 GMT -8
I wonder had there not been protest marches, how much longer the war would have lasted. And these vets complaining about us protesting, well maybe we helped get them out of there early and saved their lives.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jan 29, 2019 15:05:31 GMT -8
Trump wants to take thousands of acres of private property via "Military Emanate Domain". I thought all of you pubs were against it.
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Post by AztecBill on Jan 31, 2019 17:02:06 GMT -8
People who think walls don't work are blinded by their ideology.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 31, 2019 21:30:14 GMT -8
I can't believe the amount of people who keep their doors locked at night and at the same time think that border walls are ineffective.
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Post by Spud on Feb 2, 2019 10:23:39 GMT -8
People who think walls work are blinded by their ideology.
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