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Post by uwphoto on Nov 10, 2018 7:11:23 GMT -8
So, predictably, the idiot in chief is tweeting that the fires are California's fault and he's going to pull funds if "they don't fix the forest management problem". Nothing about families lost or the missing. Typical from this amoral person. I guess he sees a tweet by his science advisors on Brietbart, Hannity or Devon Nunes and just puts out some bull $#!+. This is so bad for our country as a whole.. as of course the comments on Fox news .com cheer the fires and destruction. Now trump makes it worse. First of all, the ecology of native vegetation in California is diverse and it is complex. When you have 30-40 years of drought and warming, there will be explosive fires when they occur in early winter months that typically have had rain historically. My friend barely saved his house in Big Sur two Decembers ago. In 2016, many of the areas burning had an extremely wet year allowing vegetation to really take off. Now you put (in many areas of California) the 2nd driest year in recorded history (130 years) on top of that and you see what you get. This is all complicated by the advance of bark beetles killing trees and death from drought and you see the result. Of course the explosive population growth in forest areas have not helped. But now to my main point. The fires burning in southern California at Malibu etc. have nothing to do with trees. These are chaparral fires. How do you "clear brush" on the millions of acres of chaparral in southern California? Chaparral and sage scrub are what holds up the steep slopes and soils throughout the region. Want to know hat happens if you "clear it"? Did you see what happened at Montecito and Santa Barbara last year? That's right, all the mud and boulders come down the mountain during a rain storm and covers up parts of the town and the 101. Yes, there are some things that can be done, such as controlled burns for forest areas and even certain chaparral areas. However, there are liability issues and humans are prone to mistakes. New Mexico accidentally burned an entire town down about 6 years ago during a "controlled burn". So, instead of making the public even stupider then they already are, it would be nice to get helpful information and perhaps even some compassion for victims of catastrophic fires. After all, the next category 5 hurricane at the highest tide of the year could hit Miralago next year... that would be SAD.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 12:05:57 GMT -8
The politics of Calfornia are going to destroy that beautiful state both economically and environmentally. However, it's amaizing how many people including politicians that are so ignorant when it comes to its geography and environmental history. California will continue to have droughts and years that see copious amounts of rain followed by more drought. That's a recipe for big wildfires and not because the need for thinning more forest/ timber. Mother Nature will continue to do what she does and urban sprawl is not helping. Many of the fires are fueled by brush that have not burned for decades and get into timber. Trump is just making it easier for big logging companies and their arguement to cut down more trees. That's not the answer. But don't think the other side of the political spectrum is helping either. The majority of these fires are human caused. It saddens me to see the all of the destruction from the numerous wildfires in California year after year. Politicians can argue all they want about it. Nonetheless, there should NOT be 40 million people living in a state that is so politically and environmentally volatile.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 11, 2018 12:19:00 GMT -8
The politics of Calfornia is going to destroy that beautiful state both economically and environmentally. However, it's amaizing how many people including politicians that are so ignorant when it comes to its geography and environmental history. California will continue to have droughts and years that see copious amounts of rain followed by more drought. That's a recipe for big wildfires and not because the need for thinning more forest/ timber. Mother Nature will continue to do what she does and urban sprawl is not helping. Many of the fires are fueled by brush that have not burned for decades and get into timber. Trump is just making it easier for big logging companies and their arguement to cut down more trees. That's not the answer. But don't think the other side of the political spectrum is helping either. The majority of these fires are human caused. It saddens me to see the all of the destruction from the numerous wildfires in California year after year. Politicians can argue all they want about it. Nonetheless, there should NOT be 40 million people living in California. yes, population is the huge factor. Oregon, Washington, Colorado and other western states have all had catastrophic fires in the past...but with less population density. the Laguna fire of 1970 in San Diego County burned every bit as much acreage as the Cedar fire of 2003..but with much less dwellings burned and people affected solely because of population density and expansion into the back country. go back to the good old days of unregulated logging and see catostrophic fires like the Tillamook fire in Oregon from the 1940's. the entire town of Cambria burned down in the late 1800's...the same mapped acreage that burned up the Napa county recently also burned in the 1960's...of course with less population. the idea that you can log your way out of it is ridiculous. not to mention introduced eucalyptus tree fires like the Oakland hills, Scripps ranch etc. of course I already addressed chaparral and sage scrub fires. I guess educating the public regarding complexities about vegetation and possible avoidance of building in severe danger areas are not palatable. Of course there is no absolute "fix" . Opinions and tweets from Trump only generates more hate and blame. His core audience is incapable of complexity and nuance. I really feel like we will all be starring in "Idiocracy" soon. |
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Post by survalli on Nov 12, 2018 10:12:02 GMT -8
most of all of this is arson by Antifa etc, or by the power companies themselves having technical failures.
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 17, 2018 6:29:37 GMT -8
"You wouldn't have the fires if they raked the weeds" Alfred E. Neuman...oh wait!
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 19, 2018 11:03:17 GMT -8
"You wouldn't have the fires if they raked the weeds" Alfred E. Neuman...oh wait! Trump is a real shithead. Jerry Brown should have kicked him in the nuts. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 12:00:35 GMT -8
"You wouldn't have the fires if they raked the weeds" Alfred E. Neuman...oh wait! Trump is a real shithead. Jerry Brown should have kicked him in the nuts. I agree Trump needs to be kicked in the nuts when comes to California's devastating wildfires and his lack of knowledge concerning the environment. However, the so called environmentalist Jerry Brown should show him the 400 million dollar Willits Bypass that runs right through a sensitive wetland that includes endangered species. Then, head on over to the polluted derrick laden Central Valley and ride the troubled 100 billion dollar bullet train to nowhere. Trump should get a kick out of it. Pun intended. |
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Post by tuff on Nov 19, 2018 16:28:17 GMT -8
"You wouldn't have the fires if they raked the weeds" Alfred E. Neuman...oh wait! Trump is a real shithead. Jerry Brown should have kicked him in the nuts. [/quote Uh. It seems Mr. Brown is agreeing with Trump and is putting forth legislation to loosen the logging regulations. LOL. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 20, 2018 5:31:14 GMT -8
Trump is a real shithead. Jerry Brown should have kicked him in the nuts. [/quote Uh. It seems Mr. Brown is agreeing with Trump and is putting forth legislation to loosen the logging regulations. LOL. hmm. while standing in burned up Malibu, Trump is talking about the easy fix..logging? So, is he proposing logging Malibu, Ventura, Santa Barbara and much of San Diego County? the most destructive fires in SoCal have been chaparral / sage scrub fires. you cannot log or strip the vegetation out of the back country. If you do, there is nothing to hold back the soils, boulders etc. when it rains. Trump doesn't even know the difference. Logging companies can only make money off of healthy, large trees, and that's what they want. You think they are going to go in and clean up the long dead and diseased? Oregon and Washington have much more logging than we do, and they are having more and more fires each year. the difference is that they have less population density in forest areas and still get more precipitation than we do. If you throw a 60 mile an hour blow torch on any dry, drought stricken vegetation the same thing is going to happen. It's an extremely complex situation and there are some things we can do to help mitigate the situation, but the simple sound bite...log or rake the forest, or the environmentalists did it is not telling the truth or the whole story. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 9:53:17 GMT -8
Maybe all those refugees at the Mexican border trying to enter the U.S. illegally isn't such a bad thing. Trump can put them to work and they can rake all the federal owened forest land in California. Only problem is, he is going to need a couple hundred thousand of them working 7 days a week in order to clear the millions and millions of acres of brush and forests.
Nearly 50% of forest land in California is owned by the federal government. Does Trump even knows this? He is clearly trying to be an advocate for more logging.
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Post by tuff on Nov 20, 2018 15:59:20 GMT -8
I don’t know about Mr. Trump. jerry Brown is the one working on the new legislation so ask him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 6:52:25 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 21, 2018 17:45:10 GMT -8
Don't even waste your time Alumtec, any behavior , including murder of journalists is defended by the cult members. We are heading down a dark road with this crazy snake oil salsesman... 35 % of the population. is hook , line and sinker with Trump. |
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