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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 9:51:56 GMT -8
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Post by aardvark on Oct 9, 2018 9:56:47 GMT -8
Shocking. SHOCKING, I tell you. The Padres fired yet another hitting coach.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 9, 2018 10:26:27 GMT -8
Too many Padre hitters had an all or nothing approach, which led to low BA OBP and astronomical strike out numbers. The Padres are expected to promote from within. I’m not so sure about that. The Padre lineup needs a new approach, a different perspective which involves a strategy to overcome the defensive shifts which seem to be depressing batting averages throughout the league.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 9, 2018 10:52:26 GMT -8
Too many Padre hitters had an all or nothing approach, which led to low BA OBP and astronomical strike out numbers. The Padres are expected to promote from within. I’m not so sure about that. The Padre lineup needs a new approach, a different perspective which involves a strategy to overcome the defensive shifts which seem to be depressing batting averages throughout the league. The Padres weren't alone in the all-or-nothing approach. All you have to do is see the number of K's versus the number of hits this season in MLB. And overall, hitting was the worst it's been since the year before the DH came into existence.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 9, 2018 12:20:34 GMT -8
Too many Padre hitters had an all or nothing approach, which led to low BA OBP and astronomical strike out numbers. The Padres are expected to promote from within. I’m not so sure about that. The Padre lineup needs a new approach, a different perspective which involves a strategy to overcome the defensive shifts which seem to be depressing batting averages throughout the league. The Padres weren't alone in the all-or-nothing approach. All you have to do is see the number of K's versus the number of hits this season in MLB. And overall, hitting was the worst it's been since the year before the DH came into existence. Right, it’s a matter of getting baserunners, that opens up the infield and leads to 2 and 3 run HR’s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 13:12:28 GMT -8
Stairs, who played for San Diego in 2010, was the ninth person to serve in that position in the 15 seasons since since Petco Park opened in 2004. The Padres have performed at or near the bottom of the majors in key categories for the last several seasons.
Yikes. At some point, it ain't the coach....it's the personnel.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 9, 2018 13:18:46 GMT -8
Honestly they probably need to continue with the house cleaning, 3 consecutive 90+ loss seasons tells me Green is all talk and no walk.
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Post by azteca on Oct 9, 2018 13:44:25 GMT -8
Gee, let’s see, he did very nice job with the Phillies and all of a sudden he can’t coach. Good luck to him. He deserves better!
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 9, 2018 15:10:49 GMT -8
94, 91 and 96 losses. That says it all.
You do that in New York, Boston or Los Angeles and you are gone after the first year. San Diego Padre fans have gotten used to the mediocrity and accepted it as “that’s just the way things are...it’s unfair
This franchise has talent, but they need a coach who can bring a WINNING MENTALITY, not a guy who allows juvenile post game celebrations from a 96 loss team. There was clear regression last season and these .230 hitting 96 game losing banjos are bouncing around like the Bruno Mars Horn Section after a walk off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 6:20:07 GMT -8
Honestly they probably need to continue with the house cleaning, 3 consecutive 90+ loss seasons tells me Green is all talk and no walk. Hard for me to give him an honest evaluation with the current talent level. It seems to me it would be making a change just for the sake of making a change. I support giving Green time with some decent talent. I think he was given a 66-96 roster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 6:21:07 GMT -8
94, 91 and 96 losses. That says it all. You do that in New York, Boston or Los Angeles and you are gone after the first year. San Diego Padre fans have gotten used to the mediocrity and accepted it as “that’s just the way things are...it’s unfair This franchise has talent, but they need a coach who can bring a WINNING MENTALITY, not a guy who allows juvenile post game celebrations from a 96 loss team. There was clear regression last season and these .230 hitting 96 game losing banjos are bouncing around like the Bruno Mars Horn Section after a walk off. Look at the rosters and payrolls in NY, BOS, and LA. How is that a fair comparison? Bogus. I'm not a Green homer. I couldn't care less about the guy, but this is off base.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2018 9:06:19 GMT -8
No, San Diego fans have been paying attention, realizing that there is a clear rebuild in construction. I don't support firing Stairs, simply because at some point you're going to need continuity at that position to give a clear message. At the same time, this team could easily be the 2nd best team in the West by default in short order, due to the woeful farm systems and roster situations in Arizona, Colorado and especially San Francisco. They need to capitalize on that opportunity and have some guys take steps, as Renfroe, Reyes and Hedges did this season.
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Post by ignoranus on Oct 10, 2018 9:25:29 GMT -8
A good start would be to trade or release a few of the more unproductive hitters that are not outright rookies.
This might send a message to the players that remain hopeful of major league employment: Those who are unable to learn discipline at the plate can NOT remain on the team. Best of luck finding a team in need of undisciplined hitters.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2018 9:59:41 GMT -8
With the 40 man roster implications looming, I would expect some of that to happen pretty quickly here. Serious players to protect in the Rule V.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 10, 2018 10:25:33 GMT -8
I look at what the Tampa Bay D Rays did this year, 90 wins in a tougher division than what the Padres play in, Kevin Cash had his team focused and ready for business. Do the D Rays have more talent than the Padres? No.
You can play the “rebuild card” for only so long, this team under Green needs to show something soon. If they go out of the gate next season 15-26, I think it may be time for a change. Padre fans and management/ownership have gotten too used to the “of course we suck, we’re rebuilding” attitude. A rebuild can sometimes be accelerated by a managerial change, a different approach doesn’t necessarily mean starting over.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 10, 2018 10:42:43 GMT -8
94, 91 and 96 losses. That says it all. You do that in New York, Boston or Los Angeles and you are gone after the first year. San Diego Padre fans have gotten used to the mediocrity and accepted it as “that’s just the way things are...it’s unfair This franchise has talent, but they need a coach who can bring a WINNING MENTALITY, not a guy who allows juvenile post game celebrations from a 96 loss team. There was clear regression last season and these .230 hitting 96 game losing banjos are bouncing around like the Bruno Mars Horn Section after a walk off. Look at the rosters and payrolls in NY, BOS, and LA. How is that a fair comparison? Bogus. I'm not a Green homer. I couldn't care less about the guy, but this is off base. I didn’t bring up payrolls, I’m just saying Padre fans and management have gotten too used to 95 loss teams. This isn’t New York or Boston where bad teams are whimsically romanticized, here in California they are ignored and forgotten.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2018 13:42:01 GMT -8
I look at what the Tampa Bay D Rays did this year, 90 wins in a tougher division than what the Padres play in, Kevin Cash had his team focused and ready for business. Do the D Rays have more talent than the Padres? No. You can play the “rebuild card” for only so long, this team under Green needs to show something soon. If they go out of the gate next season 15-26, I think it may be time for a change. Padre fans and management/ownership have gotten too used to the “of course we suck, we’re rebuilding” attitude. A rebuild can sometimes be accelerated by a managerial change, a different approach doesn’t necessarily mean starting over. Hmm. Well let's unpack this with the Tampa comparison. First - Depending on what descriptors you want to use, you could easily argue the Rays had far more talent. Offensively, WAR for Tampa was 23.9. The Padres check in at 7.8. On the pitching side, Snell was incredible and they got a ton of mileage out of the "bullpen" starters. The Padres were hurt by the deadweight of Pirela, Asauje and Spangenberg, plus underwhelming seasons from some other contributors. And I really like Kevin Cash, too. No doubt he contributed to their overall success.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 10, 2018 17:44:22 GMT -8
I look at what the Tampa Bay D Rays did this year, 90 wins in a tougher division than what the Padres play in, Kevin Cash had his team focused and ready for business. Do the D Rays have more talent than the Padres? No. You can play the “rebuild card” for only so long, this team under Green needs to show something soon. If they go out of the gate next season 15-26, I think it may be time for a change. Padre fans and management/ownership have gotten too used to the “of course we suck, we’re rebuilding” attitude. A rebuild can sometimes be accelerated by a managerial change, a different approach doesn’t necessarily mean starting over. Hmm. Well let's unpack this with the Tampa comparison. First - Depending on what descriptors you want to use, you could easily argue the Rays had far more talent. Offensively, WAR for Tampa was 23.9. The Padres check in at 7.8. On the pitching side, Snell was incredible and they got a ton of mileage out of the "bullpen" starters. The Padres were hurt by the deadweight of Pirela, Asauje and Spangenberg, plus underwhelming seasons from some other contributors. And I really like Kevin Cash, too. No doubt he contributed to their overall success. The D Rays definitely had a better season, but more talent? Nope. The truth is this Padre team grossly underperformed, hence the need for a change.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 10, 2018 18:22:24 GMT -8
Statistics would show otherwise, but keep on keepin' on. I mean, this is year three of the rebuild, so I can understand a little frustration, but I go back to the Houston comparison. They lost 111 games in 2013, steadily improving from that bottom floor to where they are now. It just comes down to culture and development.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 11, 2018 10:20:16 GMT -8
Statistics show regression from most of the Padre lineup from ‘17 to ‘18. That’s on the manager and staff. The pitching was only slightly better with a swollen 4.40 ERA and a 1.33 WHIP, and they pitch in a favorable park.
The bottom line and the only statistic which matters: 66-96
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