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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 9, 2018 13:52:43 GMT -8
Next Supreme Court Justice May Help To Define Affirmative Action Cases www.npr.org/2018/07/05/626049360/next-supreme-court-justice-may-help-to-define-affirmative-action-casesI would've put this in the general conversation section...but it will definitely been seen as political by all and divisive by some...so here it goes:...if AA is thrown out...and only test scores are taken into account...shouldn't this apply to not only students...but to student-athletes as well?...shouldn't the athlete be just as qualified for admission as any admitted applicant?...if yes...how would that affect college revenue?...and if no...wouldn't it be exploitation to allow an unqualified student admission over a qualified just because of his/her ability to generate revenue for the school?...what I mean is...is if Asians or whites are chosen for admissions over an African American because they scored higher on entrance exams and GPA...shouldn't the football team reflect admissions...if an African American only way to be admitted is if s/he can run fast, jump high, and put it in the endzone/basket...while excluding his/her more-qualified Black brethren...is this right or just?...since there are more whites and eligible Asians...than African Americans...then of course there will be more eligible for admission...so this in itself will push African Americans out of the classroom...but once again...is it right to exploit the Black athlete while denying entrance to other Black non-athletes who are more qualified than they?......
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jul 9, 2018 18:23:34 GMT -8
As we have come to find out, admissions are based on more than academics, not even counting any kind of affirmative action.
Skills in athletics counts as well.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 9, 2018 18:31:13 GMT -8
Next Supreme Court Justice May Help To Define Affirmative Action Cases www.npr.org/2018/07/05/626049360/next-supreme-court-justice-may-help-to-define-affirmative-action-casesI would've put this in the general conversation section...but it will definitely been seen as political by all and divisive by some...so here it goes:...if AA is thrown out...and only test scores are taken into account...shouldn't this apply to not only students...but to student-athletes as well?...shouldn't the athlete be just as qualified for admission as any admitted applicant?...if yes...how would that affect college revenue?...and if no...wouldn't it be exploitation to allow an unqualified student admission over a qualified just because of his/her ability to generate revenue for the school?...what I mean is...is if Asians or whites are chosen for admissions over an African American because they scored higher on entrance exams and GPA...shouldn't the football team reflect admissions...if an African American only way to be admitted is if s/he can run fast, jump high, and put it in the endzone/basket...while excluding his/her more-qualified Black brethren...is this right or just?...since there are more whites and eligible Asians...than African Americans...then of course there will be more eligible for admission...so this in itself will push African Americans out of the classroom...but once again...is it right to exploit the Black athlete while denying entrance to other Black non-athletes who are more qualified than they?...... The case against AA when it includes calculated racial blood lines as a weighted criterion is on shakey grounds regardless as it is overtly racist in its application. Trying to atone for the sins of the father (and the weakness of that argument for state sponsored racism) aside, AA for Athletes can be applied independent of race and you will still likely get the ratio of African Americans to others in scholarships by virtue of their athletic merit alone. Still a minimum academic rating is required in this case. Being merit based is why no one says the NBA or NFL is racist with its over representation of African Americans or MLB is racist with its over representation of Hispanics, for example. I also understand having criterion that leads to diversity (~family income level, if parents didn't go to college, if living in a an economically depressed region, etc) but these rules should be well known and published and not subject to the whim of an administrator looking at surnames on the application as the most determinitive item.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 10, 2018 11:25:25 GMT -8
Next Supreme Court Justice May Help To Define Affirmative Action Cases www.npr.org/2018/07/05/626049360/next-supreme-court-justice-may-help-to-define-affirmative-action-casesI would've put this in the general conversation section...but it will definitely been seen as political by all and divisive by some...so here it goes:...if AA is thrown out...and only test scores are taken into account...shouldn't this apply to not only students...but to student-athletes as well?...shouldn't the athlete be just as qualified for admission as any admitted applicant?...if yes...how would that affect college revenue?...and if no...wouldn't it be exploitation to allow an unqualified student admission over a qualified just because of his/her ability to generate revenue for the school?...what I mean is...is if Asians or whites are chosen for admissions over an African American because they scored higher on entrance exams and GPA...shouldn't the football team reflect admissions...if an African American only way to be admitted is if s/he can run fast, jump high, and put it in the endzone/basket...while excluding his/her more-qualified Black brethren...is this right or just?...since there are more whites and eligible Asians...than African Americans...then of course there will be more eligible for admission...so this in itself will push African Americans out of the classroom...but once again...is it right to exploit the Black athlete while denying entrance to other Black non-athletes who are more qualified than they?...... The case against AA when it includes calculated racial blood lines as a weighted criterion is on shakey grounds regardless as it is overtly racist in its application. Trying to atone for the sins of the father (and the weakness of that argument for state sponsored racism) aside, AA for Athletes can be applied independent of race and you will still likely get the ratio of African Americans to others in scholarships by virtue of their athletic merit alone. Still a minimum academic rating is required in this case. Being merit based is why no one says the NBA or NFL is racist with its over representation of African Americans or MLB is racist with its over representation of Hispanics, for example. I also understand having criterion that leads to diversity (~family income level, if parents didn't go to college, if living in a an economically depressed region, etc) but these rules should be well known and published and not subject to the whim of an administrator looking at surnames on the application as the most determinitive item. "Trying to atone for the sins of the father...."Let me preface my response by pointing out a popular sentiment...or deflection from the truth...of those who oppose affirmative action...namely...the ole "I didn't have anything to do with it...and it was a long time ago" "Now I'm being discriminated against" argument...a certain group of pulls this card when attempting to downplay the need for AA...they like to see themselves as "individuals" who have worked hard to achieve on merit...without government preference...not as a group...but...at the same time...they see others as a group and not as individuals...i.e. the Blacks, the Muslims, the illegals, the Dems,...they have no problem lumping the acts of individuals within those groups to the group at large..... The truth is this...the United States government in its constitution, policies and court decisions...singled out exclusively the African American race...not some individual...denying human/civil rights and equal opportunity/access up until at least 1968...all the while taxing Blacks at the same rate as their white counterparts without representation in the college classroom...regardless of Black's merit...the US government is not a long time ago...it is present...the truth is America has purposely damaged Blacks and hampered their progress...while at the same time giving preferential treatment to whites in hiring, housing, education and jobs...you can deny this...but you'll just be gas-lighting.... As far as the NFL, NBA, etc...that's another red herring...when I go to a fast food restaurant...I can't say there is no discrimination in hiring just because I see minorities taking orders and cleaning up...what about management positions?...how about who is getting the contracts to supply the restaurant with food, trucks, security...so just because there are Blacks on the field of play...says nothing about the personnel who runs the sports organization...in basketball...there may be 10 Blacks on the floor...but there are at least 1000 whites behind the scenes making billions off them...once again... merit is subjective.... Lastly, criteria for admittance i.e. poverty, area of town, etc...assumes that all Blacks are poor and live in the ghetto...which far from the truth...what about that middle-class Black living in Kearney Mesa?...they feel the same discrimination and lack of opportunity as there counterparts in low-income areas...there is no magic shield protecting them just because they're not born to a single-mom on welfare...Blacks with doctors and lawyers for parents face the same racial discrimination in hiring and college admissions.... In closing...my topic was if AA is overturned...should those on sports teams be held to the same admissions standards as the rest of the student body?...especially since it is all about merit...and if not...would it be exploitation of the Black athlete to admit him/her just for revenue purposes...this is a Black barbershop topic...and many want to take their ball from SEC/Big Ten/MWC and go to historically Black colleges where they can be around a like kind without the bs...and that will affect the bottom line of some of the major institutions in America......
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 10, 2018 21:25:37 GMT -8
The case against AA when it includes calculated racial blood lines as a weighted criterion is on shakey grounds regardless as it is overtly racist in its application. Trying to atone for the sins of the father (and the weakness of that argument for state sponsored racism) aside, AA for Athletes can be applied independent of race and you will still likely get the ratio of African Americans to others in scholarships by virtue of their athletic merit alone. Still a minimum academic rating is required in this case. Being merit based is why no one says the NBA or NFL is racist with its over representation of African Americans or MLB is racist with its over representation of Hispanics, for example. I also understand having criterion that leads to diversity (~family income level, if parents didn't go to college, if living in a an economically depressed region, etc) but these rules should be well known and published and not subject to the whim of an administrator looking at surnames on the application as the most determinitive item. "Trying to atone for the sins of the father...."Let me preface my response by pointing out a popular sentiment...or deflection from the truth...of those who oppose affirmative action...namely...the ole "I didn't have anything to do with it...and it was a long time ago" "Now I'm being discriminated against" argument...a certain group of pulls this card when attempting to downplay the need for AA...they like to see themselves as "individuals" who have worked hard to achieve on merit...without government preference...not as a group...but...at the same time...they see others as a group and not as individuals...i.e. the Blacks, the Muslims, the illegals, the Dems,...they have no problem lumping the acts of individuals within those groups to the group at large..... The truth is this...the United States government in its constitution, policies and court decisions...singled out exclusively the African American race...not some individual...denying human/civil rights and equal opportunity/access up until at least 1968...all the while taxing Blacks at the same rate as their white counterparts without representation in the college classroom...regardless of Black's merit...the US government is not a long time ago...it is present...the truth is America has purposely damaged Blacks and hampered their progress...while at the same time giving preferential treatment to whites in hiring, housing, education and jobs...you can deny this...but you'll just be gas-lighting.... As far as the NFL, NBA, etc...that's another red herring...when I go to a fast food restaurant...I can't say there is no discrimination in hiring just because I see minorities taking orders and cleaning up...what about management positions?...how about who is getting the contracts to supply the restaurant with food, trucks, security...so just because there are Blacks on the field of play...says nothing about the personnel who runs the sports organization...in basketball...there may be 10 Blacks on the floor...but there are at least 1000 whites behind the scenes making billions off them...once again... merit is subjective.... Lastly, criteria for admittance i.e. poverty, area of town, etc...assumes that all Blacks are poor and live in the ghetto...which far from the truth...what about that middle-class Black living in Kearney Mesa?...they feel the same discrimination and lack of opportunity as there counterparts in low-income areas...there is no magic shield protecting them just because they're not born to a single-mom on welfare...Blacks with doctors and lawyers for parents face the same racial discrimination in hiring and college admissions.... In closing...my topic was if AA is overturned...should those on sports teams be held to the same admissions standards as the rest of the student body?...especially since it is all about merit...and if not...would it be exploitation of the Black athlete to admit him/her just for revenue purposes...this is a Black barbershop topic...and many want to take their ball from SEC/Big Ten/MWC and go to historically Black colleges where they can be around a like kind without the bs...and that will affect the bottom line of some of the major institutions in America...... Ya know, the Asian factor is really confounding the liberals. It is now known that they push for discriminating against one minority for the sake of another minority. Leftists (and everone for that matter) sees that Asians are doing better than whites as a group, thus proving that there is no legal or structural basis in the USA that keeps a minority "down". But, as liberals, who seemingly only see the world in terms of groups (see identity politics), they have to find some other group (that being whites) as the reason for the state of blacks as a group and as being the cause of their overt, but somehow warranted, racial discrimination. So they double down on blaming the innocent with claims of "white privledge" and the worse "white supremacy" as they discriminate againt Asians. The failure of the logic isn't lost on many. Simply stated, Liberals see different outcomes among the races (when viewed only as groups) and must find a scapegoat other than their own social policies directed toward the lagging group. And these scapegoats are the innocent with the wrong skin color, once only white but now including "yellow" rolleyes. Race based AA is racial discrimination and it is unconstitutional. Wanting to improve the lot of blacks as a group is fine but one needs to find constitutional methods to achieve it. A reexamination of social policy is probably most needed but don't try telling a liberal that.
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Post by azteccc on Jul 10, 2018 21:35:50 GMT -8
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 11, 2018 5:24:46 GMT -8
LoL. As I said..."and must find a scapegoat"
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Post by ptsdthor on Jul 12, 2018 10:24:20 GMT -8
Link: Cal Poly Diversity ActionsIf you think the Liberals couldn't make mince meat of any SCOTUS or lower court ruling that would agree that racial discrimination for college admissions is unconstitutional, just take a look at this admissions and diversity policy document at Cal Poly. Many ways to skin a cat. And in the policy did you notice one of their favorite groups referred to as "underrepresented minorities"? I guess that means there are "overrepresented minorities". Who might that be? I have heard of a hatred for an overrepresented minority in the past but I just can't place my finger on it...
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