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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:59:17 GMT -8
I don’t see the value in an open roster spot. Times have changed. It’s far more difficult to project who will be on the roster in 1,2,3, let alone 4 years. In a perfect world you’d like to have a good mix of youth and experience, a fair number of kids in each year. Not having a player doesn’t help anybody. If you’re not attracting quality transfers then get who you can. Sure we can sign a red shirt next year. He’ll sit the following year and then hit the court as a junior. A freshman this year would be a junior in three years too. He have never missed on prospects for lack of roster space. We have signed worthless transfers. We have had teams that lacked a front court or didn’t have a pg. 5 true freshman this year wouldn’t be terrible as we’d be playing two seniors a RS junior a RS sophomore 2 sophomores and RS freshman. Next year we’ll have a RS senior a RS junior two juniors a RS sophomores and 5 sophomores with 3 spots for senior transfers and freshman Not having an available roster spot cost us a shot at the Martins. Burning players late, like UNR is going to do this year, could bite you in the ass when it comes to recruiting over the long run. Like Bill said, if you can get a Mitchell late great, but you definitely do not add players just to add players. Only the coaching staff knows if they see Goch &/or Chang as another Mitchell, or if they see them as guys who may never or rarely play over Schakel/Seiko. If it's the latter case there is no reason to add both. None. Fischer is good enough to be your emergency 12th man at PG/SG. Personally I'm hoping to sign 1, then either hold or add a true transfer, or if some new grad transfer comes available over the next month or two (like Travis at Stanford) go that route. We don't need wings for the sake of adding wings; another big for emergency depth, maybe. The question is are we gonna get somebody better next year or are we gonna have another unfilled spot next year too
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Post by sdcoug on May 31, 2018 13:04:24 GMT -8
If both Hymes & Lee both make UNR's roster they may be insanely stupid not to RS one of them. Every team/player/year is a different scenario. You don't need 12+ available players in any given year, which is where UNR currently is. You never play 12 unless you're decimated by injuries, so all that does is waste a year for 1-2 players. As is, they have 8 seniors, so next year will either be made up of 2-3 bench guys + Grad transfers, JC or FR, and that's assuming Brown returns. Great for 2019; not so much for 2020. Right now we have 10 eligible players, and adding an 11th for depth. If we add a 12th, while not necessary it wouldn't be the end of the world if they RS, especially if (like Seiko) they miss several weeks of practice. We only lose 2, possibly 3 if McD leaves, which sets us up long-term. I call that smart decisions, not poor ones. Seiko was redshirted due to injury and how potential PT stacked up as a result, not due to a lack of talent. Non injury redshirts are what I am referring to. Seiko was injured for a time. It wasn’t a season ender but not a bad idea to sit him. If we’d redshirted D’erryl Williams that would’ve been a mistake as we’d have a guy eating a scholarship for 5 years and never contributing in the games. McDaniels wasn’t injured and was far too talented to sit. I’d prefer we were so stacked with talent that good players were sent packing for better players Redshirting McD only became an issue for 2 reasons: 1) we ended up getting hit by injuries, so pulling his RS at that time would have been useful, and 2) he improved at a significantly faster rate than anticipated. He wasn't the same player in November of his RS year as he was in February - not even close. It was a coin flip decision, and wouldn't fault either direction we went. Williams "never contributed"? Guess I must have mistook him for someone else in the comeback win over UNLV in the MWCT. Not every player has to be a starter to contribute, and Williams was an invaluable teammate. The fact we added Watson made it irrelevant, but had we not I'm not so sure having him on our bench this past year wouldn't have been a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:09:49 GMT -8
Non injury redshirts are what I am referring to. Seiko was injured for a time. It wasn’t a season ender but not a bad idea to sit him. If we’d redshirted D’erryl Williams that would’ve been a mistake as we’d have a guy eating a scholarship for 5 years and never contributing in the games. McDaniels wasn’t injured and was far too talented to sit. I’d prefer we were so stacked with talent that good players were sent packing for better players Redshirting McD only became an issue for 2 reasons: 1) we ended up getting hit by injuries, so pulling his RS at that time would have been useful, and 2) he improved at a significantly faster rate than anticipated. He wasn't the same player in November of his RS year as he was in February - not even close. It was a coin flip decision, and wouldn't fault either direction we went. Williams "never contributed"? Guess I must have mistook him for someone else in the comeback win over UNLV in the MWCT. Not every player has to be a starter to contribute, and Williams was an invaluable teammate. The fact we added Watson made it irrelevant, but had we not I'm not so sure having him on our bench this past year wouldn't have been a good thing. Only because of recruiting failures would Williams ever matter. Having a dude on your bench is better than a perpetually open roster spot
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Post by sdcoug on May 31, 2018 13:10:27 GMT -8
Not having an available roster spot cost us a shot at the Martins. Burning players late, like UNR is going to do this year, could bite you in the ass when it comes to recruiting over the long run. Like Bill said, if you can get a Mitchell late great, but you definitely do not add players just to add players. Only the coaching staff knows if they see Goch &/or Chang as another Mitchell, or if they see them as guys who may never or rarely play over Schakel/Seiko. If it's the latter case there is no reason to add both. None. Fischer is good enough to be your emergency 12th man at PG/SG. Personally I'm hoping to sign 1, then either hold or add a true transfer, or if some new grad transfer comes available over the next month or two (like Travis at Stanford) go that route. We don't need wings for the sake of adding wings; another big for emergency depth, maybe. The question is are we gonna get somebody better next year or are we gonna have another unfilled spot next year too Did leaving an open scholarship THIS year hurt us? I don't think so - we couldn't even get MCG minutes to the point he quit. Did it hurt UNR having so many guys RS they had no bench? I would say yes. IMO it cost them a shot at the E8. Roster balance is important, even with today's unbelievable turnover. Having 12 eligible players isn't important, but having 9 is.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 13:21:07 GMT -8
Empty scholarships roster balance doesn’t make. Now that we’ve started to see players depart early it’s become clear that you can’t plan for balance in the same way as in the past
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Post by Den60 on May 31, 2018 13:46:00 GMT -8
Redshirting McD only became an issue for 2 reasons: 1) we ended up getting hit by injuries, so pulling his RS at that time would have been useful, and 2) he improved at a significantly faster rate than anticipated. He wasn't the same player in November of his RS year as he was in February - not even close. It was a coin flip decision, and wouldn't fault either direction we went. Williams "never contributed"? Guess I must have mistook him for someone else in the comeback win over UNLV in the MWCT. Not every player has to be a starter to contribute, and Williams was an invaluable teammate. The fact we added Watson made it irrelevant, but had we not I'm not so sure having him on our bench this past year wouldn't have been a good thing. Only because of recruiting failures would Williams ever matter. Having a dude on your bench is better than a perpetually open roster spot Williams became quite focused on his academics and changed his major to Pre-med once on campus. When he was on the court he gave us everything he had. While his career may not have been all we had hoped for when we recruited him I cannot fault him for taking advantage of the opportunity to pursue his dream outside of basketball.
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Post by sdcoug on May 31, 2018 14:33:40 GMT -8
Empty scholarships roster balance doesn’t make. Now that we’ve started to see players depart early it’s become clear that you can’t plan for balance in the same way as in the past And again I'd ask did it hurt us, and did it hurt UNR not having some level of balance? No, you can't foresee every change but you usually have a pretty good read heading into a season, and especially as you hit the early spring recruiting period. You don't NEED 12+ eligible players; you don't WANT just 7-8 eligible out of 13 players either. The latter is MUCH more detrimental to a team than the former. In today's world where kids are transferring in July/August, December/January, more than ever you want to have some flexibility, especially if you already have 10-11 eligible players on your roster. Dutch is only going to play 9 or 10; he's not playing 12. So recruit & RS, or leave it open? The other factor is players being recruited DO look at roster balance by position. For example, if Gach is a PG & we don't think he's the answer long-term, signing him now may cause a PG we might want more to be less inclined to consider us. Lastly, you just criticized the staff for recruiting a Williams, who was a 3* recruit from a good program, as "wasting a scholarship" if I recall correctly; now you're saying we SHOULD sign a Williams-type player, just so you don't leave an open roster spot. Most really good players aren't going to go somewhere where they'll be a 12th/13th man, so which is it?
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Post by aztecsfan05 on May 31, 2018 20:28:04 GMT -8
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Post by fisher1fan on May 31, 2018 23:00:52 GMT -8
I predict Aztecs!!! Based on nothing more than I want him to pick Aztecs! Put it in stone. (Maybe we will have to throw away the stone, but put it in stone!) 👍🏼
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Post by mactec on Jun 1, 2018 7:12:58 GMT -8
this gonna be streamed somewhere? facebook live?
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Post by fisherville on Jun 1, 2018 7:58:19 GMT -8
Both Gach by all accounts is a potential impact player, this is would be like landing a matt Mitchell late, it isn’t a reach
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Post by standiego on Jun 1, 2018 9:46:39 GMT -8
exactly - you take quality talent - when you can . Was here for a visit and coaches liked him . They also know our chances of signing others in 2019 or later may not be as good .
Battling two P6 schools so they also must want a quality player also.
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Post by dlangford9 on Jun 1, 2018 9:52:31 GMT -8
Would 1pm be CST? So 11am PST?
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Post by johnnyutah on Jun 1, 2018 9:54:10 GMT -8
Would 1pm be CST? So 11am PST?
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Post by mactec on Jun 1, 2018 9:55:29 GMT -8
Would 1pm be CST? So 11am PST? I think it's 3:15 PM CST, so 1:15 PM PST.
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Post by ignoranus on Jun 1, 2018 10:22:27 GMT -8
CDT, most likely. Two hours difference.
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Post by azteca on Jun 1, 2018 10:46:00 GMT -8
About 15 minutes into Aztec baseball NCAA tourney game.👍👍
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Post by standiego on Jun 1, 2018 10:49:35 GMT -8
3:15 Austin MN so 1:15 Pacific Time .
By the way does Dutcher's dad still live in Minnesota ?
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Post by johnnyutah on Jun 1, 2018 10:54:15 GMT -8
There seems to be a lot of confusion about how time zones work here. Maybe Coach Musselman can help us out?
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Post by jibron on Jun 1, 2018 11:20:29 GMT -8
There seems to be a lot of confusion about how time zones work here. Maybe Coach Musselman can help us out? :rotflmao
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