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Post by aztecfred on May 31, 2018 9:05:09 GMT -8
Why are people giving up on Seiko already? I anticipate Adam being a defensive stud, a heady player and a leader as well. Jalen was redshirted too and that was no reflection on his talent. No, it was a reflection of the coaching staff making poor decisions. Nevada’s redshirts are transfers. Their roster is insanely deep and strong. They wouldn’t put a guy on the shelf for no reason or leave scholarships arbitrarily unfilled. They add the best possible players and let good players go if they can be replaced with great ones. Seiko wasn’t a highly rated guy and was benched in his first year which isn’t terribly inspiring. I believe he had a injury that played into redshirt decision? I am looking forward to seeing him play. If nothing else need someone that can play bigtime D
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:07:06 GMT -8
From what I understood, staff is now higher on Gach, but would take both... I think their preference is to hold a scholarship... Thanks...that's why I asked -- it seems to be Dutch's preference to have a scholarship open to have flexibility and grab a late transfer or someone like Mitchell last year. Maybe they hope to get 1 of the 2 and if they get both then oh well -- good problem to have. It is late in the year. Time for the last minute add of Gach. I try to differentiate coach speak from truth. CS Dutch: “I prefer to keep a scholarship open to have flexibility.” Reality Dutch: “We weren’t able to fill the scholarship with a player of the quality and position we’re seeking. Maybe next year.” An open scholarship doesn’t give you flexibility when there is perpetually an open scholarship. We graduate seniors every year. College players transfer out all the time (we’ve had three leave in the last few years.) If necessary, we’ve done it before, we can jettison a player for a better incoming recruit. Reno gets great transfers year in and year out. They aren’t holding scholarships when quality players are ready to sign.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on May 31, 2018 9:16:36 GMT -8
Thanks...that's why I asked -- it seems to be Dutch's preference to have a scholarship open to have flexibility and grab a late transfer or someone like Mitchell last year. Maybe they hope to get 1 of the 2 and if they get both then oh well -- good problem to have. It is late in the year. Time for the last minute add of Gach. I try to differentiate coach speak from truth. CS Dutch: “I prefer to keep a scholarship open to have flexibility.” Reality Dutch: “We weren’t able to fill the scholarship with a player of the quality and position we’re seeking. Maybe next year.” An open scholarship doesn’t give you flexibility when there is perpetually an open scholarship. We graduate seniors every year. College players transfer out all the time (we’ve had three leave in the last few years.) If necessary, we’ve done it before, we can jettison a player for a better incoming recruit. Reno gets great transfers year in and year out. They aren’t holding scholarships when quality players are ready to sign. Totally agree. I think having 1 open is a waste a lot of the time. If you truly can't get a solid player you want, then fine leave it open. But if we can land both Chang & Gach, I don't see why we wouldn't be thrilled
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:23:17 GMT -8
It is late in the year. Time for the last minute add of Gach. I try to differentiate coach speak from truth. CS Dutch: “I prefer to keep a scholarship open to have flexibility.” Reality Dutch: “We weren’t able to fill the scholarship with a player of the quality and position we’re seeking. Maybe next year.” An open scholarship doesn’t give you flexibility when there is perpetually an open scholarship. We graduate seniors every year. College players transfer out all the time (we’ve had three leave in the last few years.) If necessary, we’ve done it before, we can jettison a player for a better incoming recruit. Reno gets great transfers year in and year out. They aren’t holding scholarships when quality players are ready to sign. Totally agree. I think having 1 open is a waste a lot of the time. If you truly can't get a solid player you want, then fine leave it open. But if we can land both Chang & Gach, I don't see why we wouldn't be thrilled For sure. Withholding a scholarship from one of those guys would be insane. Leaving it open to specifically go after a transfer next year is doubly silly as you’d be landing a quality player like Flynn or Watson a year from now. That means burning a scholarship for two years and getting two years in return while still having an open scholarship “for transfers” that year anyway.
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Post by AztecBill on May 31, 2018 9:51:09 GMT -8
Totally agree. I think having 1 open is a waste a lot of the time. If you truly can't get a solid player you want, then fine leave it open. But if we can land both Chang & Gach, I don't see why we wouldn't be thrilled For sure. Withholding a scholarship from one of those guys would be insane. Leaving it open to specifically go after a transfer next year is doubly silly as you’d be landing a quality player like Flynn or Watson a year from now. That means burning a scholarship for two years and getting two years in return while still having an open scholarship “for transfers” that year anyway. If we got both (small "b"), we would have 5 freshman (6 counting Sieko). That is not a good situation in the short term, unless the freshman are all starter types. If most are Matt Mitchell level freshmen than it would be OK. Filling in the roster with a graduate transfer leaves the scholarship for next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:58:43 GMT -8
For sure. Withholding a scholarship from one of those guys would be insane. Leaving it open to specifically go after a transfer next year is doubly silly as you’d be landing a quality player like Flynn or Watson a year from now. That means burning a scholarship for two years and getting two years in return while still having an open scholarship “for transfers” that year anyway. If we got both (small "b"), we would have 5 freshman (6 counting Sieko). That is not a good situation in the short term, unless the freshman are all starter types. If most are Matt Mitchell level freshmen than it would be OK. Filling in the roster with a graduate transfer leaves the scholarship for next season. If that were the choice you were making, freshman or grad transfer this year, fine. If you leave it open this year to sign a grad transfer next year, no. We will have at least 3 schollies next year and as we’ve seen possibly more.
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Post by hoobs on May 31, 2018 10:06:43 GMT -8
Only advantage to "holding" a scholarship is the possibility of a high-level mid-season transfer who has limited options because no one has a schollie to offer in January...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 10:12:22 GMT -8
Only advantage to "holding" a scholarship is the possibility of a high-level mid-season transfer who has limited options because no one has a schollie to offer in January... Transfers are abundant in today’s game. Passing on a quality freshman for the purpose of Chasing the white buffalo of a high quality midseason transfer is asinine.
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Post by AztecBill on May 31, 2018 10:32:47 GMT -8
Only advantage to "holding" a scholarship is the possibility of a high-level mid-season transfer who has limited options because no one has a schollie to offer in January... Transfers are abundant in today’s game. Passing on a quality freshman for the purpose of Chasing the white buffalo of a high quality midseason transfer is asinine. Avoiding 6 freshman on a 13 man roster is a good idea.
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Post by onions on May 31, 2018 11:02:46 GMT -8
Transfers are abundant in today’s game. Passing on a quality freshman for the purpose of Chasing the white buffalo of a high quality midseason transfer is asinine. Avoiding 6 freshman on a 13 man roster is a good idea. It’s not terrible if they play different positions. If Both is truly a penetrating guard at 6’7 ... perfect. Flynn seems like more of a ball control shooting PG and less drive and dish. Chang seems redundant to Arop, Mitchell and even Schakel as a shooting wing. Hope we get at least 1 of them though. Would be a fantastic recruiting class either way.
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Post by ignoranus on May 31, 2018 11:09:50 GMT -8
Five freshman starting worked pretty good for Fish & Dutch @ Michigan. They made it to the NC game in the Big Dance.
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Post by AztecBill on May 31, 2018 11:15:33 GMT -8
Five freshman starting worked pretty good for Fish & Dutch @ Michigan. They made it to the NC game in the Big Dance. As I stated earlier, if most are at Matt Mitchell level, It would be OK. 6 pretty good freshmen is not a good idea.
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Post by standiego on May 31, 2018 11:27:50 GMT -8
You take high quality when you can get them . Not as easy to sign them as some may believe . Again I said high quality recruits .
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:06:55 GMT -8
I don’t see the value in an open roster spot. Times have changed. It’s far more difficult to project who will be on the roster in 1,2,3, let alone 4 years.
In a perfect world you’d like to have a good mix of youth and experience, a fair number of kids in each year. Not having a player doesn’t help anybody. If you’re not attracting quality transfers then get who you can. Sure we can sign a red shirt next year. He’ll sit the following year and then hit the court as a junior. A freshman this year would be a junior in three years too. He have never missed on prospects for lack of roster space. We have signed worthless transfers. We have had teams that lacked a front court or didn’t have a pg. 5 true freshman this year wouldn’t be terrible as we’d be playing two seniors a RS junior a RS sophomore 2 sophomores and RS freshman. Next year we’ll have a RS senior a RS junior two juniors a RS sophomores and 5 sophomores with 3 spots for senior transfers and freshman
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Post by aztecandrew on May 31, 2018 12:23:17 GMT -8
Let’s say you take 5 or 6 freshman. Chances are that a few of them end up using a redshirt year along the way due to limited early playing time or an injury. The chances of those 5 or 6 using up their eligibility at the same time, at the same school, are very low.
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Post by sdcoug on May 31, 2018 12:42:17 GMT -8
Why are people giving up on Seiko already? I anticipate Adam being a defensive stud, a heady player and a leader as well. Jalen was redshirted too and that was no reflection on his talent. No, it was a reflection of the coaching staff making poor decisions. Nevada’s redshirts are transfers. Their roster is insanely deep and strong. They wouldn’t put a guy on the shelf for no reason or leave scholarships arbitrarily unfilled. They add the best possible players and let good players go if they can be replaced with great ones. Seiko wasn’t a highly rated guy and was benched in his first year which isn’t terribly inspiring. If both Hymes & Lee both make UNR's roster they may be insanely stupid not to RS one of them. Every team/player/year is a different scenario. You don't need 12+ available players in any given year, which is where UNR currently is. You never play 12 unless you're decimated by injuries, so all that does is waste a year for 1-2 players. As is, they have 8 seniors, so next year will either be made up of 2-3 bench guys + Grad transfers, JC or FR, and that's assuming Brown returns. Great for 2019; not so much for 2020. Right now we have 10 eligible players, and adding an 11th for depth. If we add a 12th, while not necessary it wouldn't be the end of the world if they RS, especially if (like Seiko) they miss several weeks of practice. We only lose 2, possibly 3 if McD leaves, which sets us up long-term. I call that smart decisions, not poor ones. Seiko was redshirted due to injury and how potential PT stacked up as a result, not due to a lack of talent.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:44:23 GMT -8
Let’s say you take 5 or 6 freshman. Chances are that a few of them end up using a redshirt year along the way due to limited early playing time or an injury. The chances of those 5 or 6 using up their eligibility at the same time, at the same school, are very low. Or you unexpectedly have 5 roster spots because 3 people left the team early
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Post by ignoranus on May 31, 2018 12:46:31 GMT -8
Four years ago the Aztecs had 4 very promising incoming freshman: Kell, Pope, Zabo and Zylan.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:52:43 GMT -8
No, it was a reflection of the coaching staff making poor decisions. Nevada’s redshirts are transfers. Their roster is insanely deep and strong. They wouldn’t put a guy on the shelf for no reason or leave scholarships arbitrarily unfilled. They add the best possible players and let good players go if they can be replaced with great ones. Seiko wasn’t a highly rated guy and was benched in his first year which isn’t terribly inspiring. If both Hymes & Lee both make UNR's roster they may be insanely stupid not to RS one of them. Every team/player/year is a different scenario. You don't need 12+ available players in any given year, which is where UNR currently is. You never play 12 unless you're decimated by injuries, so all that does is waste a year for 1-2 players. As is, they have 8 seniors, so next year will either be made up of 2-3 bench guys + Grad transfers, JC or FR, and that's assuming Brown returns. Great for 2019; not so much for 2020. Right now we have 10 eligible players, and adding an 11th for depth. If we add a 12th, while not necessary it wouldn't be the end of the world if they RS, especially if (like Seiko) they miss several weeks of practice. We only lose 2, possibly 3 if McD leaves, which sets us up long-term. I call that smart decisions, not poor ones. Seiko was redshirted due to injury and how potential PT stacked up as a result, not due to a lack of talent. Non injury redshirts are what I am referring to. Seiko was injured for a time. It wasn’t a season ender but not a bad idea to sit him. If we’d redshirted D’erryl Williams that would’ve been a mistake as we’d have a guy eating a scholarship for 5 years and never contributing in the games. McDaniels wasn’t injured and was far too talented to sit. I’d prefer we were so stacked with talent that good players were sent packing for better players
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Post by sdcoug on May 31, 2018 12:52:59 GMT -8
I don’t see the value in an open roster spot. Times have changed. It’s far more difficult to project who will be on the roster in 1,2,3, let alone 4 years. In a perfect world you’d like to have a good mix of youth and experience, a fair number of kids in each year. Not having a player doesn’t help anybody. If you’re not attracting quality transfers then get who you can. Sure we can sign a red shirt next year. He’ll sit the following year and then hit the court as a junior. A freshman this year would be a junior in three years too. He have never missed on prospects for lack of roster space. We have signed worthless transfers. We have had teams that lacked a front court or didn’t have a pg. 5 true freshman this year wouldn’t be terrible as we’d be playing two seniors a RS junior a RS sophomore 2 sophomores and RS freshman. Next year we’ll have a RS senior a RS junior two juniors a RS sophomores and 5 sophomores with 3 spots for senior transfers and freshman Not having an available roster spot cost us a shot at the Martins. Burning players late, like UNR is going to do this year, could bite you in the ass when it comes to recruiting over the long run. Like Bill said, if you can get a Mitchell late great, but you definitely do not add players just to add players. Only the coaching staff knows if they see Goch &/or Chang as another Mitchell, or if they see them as guys who may never or rarely play over Schakel/Seiko. If it's the latter case there is no reason to add both. None. Fischer is good enough to be your emergency 12th man at PG/SG. Personally I'm hoping to sign 1, then either hold or add a true transfer, or if some new grad transfer comes available over the next month or two (like Travis at Stanford) go that route. We don't need wings for the sake of adding wings; another big for emergency depth, maybe.
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