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Post by ab on Apr 29, 2018 8:50:14 GMT -8
Bruce, maybe if you actually looked at the info there you'd see that what they call, "Coaches," are really the managers. I ran into that site last night while googling to find the info. I checked a half dozen sites, none had the info. I can figure out and did figure out they were managers. Aw, sarcasm from the moderator and they wonder.... There are other articles giving a range of salaries for coaches (not managers)
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Post by ab on Apr 29, 2018 8:51:33 GMT -8
Really? So the Padres have the same revenue as the Yankees, then? Don't see where I ever said that. He sure has problems with reading comprehension. He might want to jump back from keyboard and actually read what you wrote before assuming what you wrote.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 29, 2018 12:09:48 GMT -8
Having a salary cap in baseball would accomplish absolutely nothing. You can't compare football contracts and basketball contracts with baseball contracts. They just don't equate. Football has a hard cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs. Basketball has a cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs with a real chance to win, and basketball is arguably worse because it generally comes down to about 4 teams that have a legitimate shot to win a title. And that's ALL based on good management. NFL and NBA teams don't lose because they don't have money. MLB teams DO lose because they don't have money. It isn't just about managment quality in MLB, it's also about revenue and the ability to re-sign your own best players and the ability to hire the best managers and coaches. Small (and smaller mid) market teams don't have the money to compete for the best at those jobs. These are undisputable facts. MLB fans are desperate to believe that money doesn't play a big role in succes, but it does. YES small market teams can and do eventually hit on a winning combination - but it almost never lasts. The big market teams just spend their way out of trouble and almost never have losing seasons. Those are facts.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 29, 2018 12:14:03 GMT -8
Aw, sarcasm from the moderator and they wonder.... Huh. And here I thought sarcasm was acceptable under the rules. Really? Because I spent about 15 minutes looking over 10 different websites and none had the info. If you find 2017 or 2018 numbers let me know, because I've looked using both Google and Bing and neither of them brought up anything relevant.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2018 13:19:07 GMT -8
"Having money" is based on ownership that has a vested interest in winning. The Yankees can spend 200 million because they have the resources. If another team has the resources, they can do the same. That has nothing to do with baseball. It's privatized ownership. Another thing you completely ignore is the difference in unions in sports. The NFL is controlled by the owners. Roger Goodell is a shill for the owners. A figurehead puppet, if you will. The players union controls MLB. Why on Earth would they want to agree with a hard cap which limits their earnings? Bryce Harper is going to make 400 million plus on his upcoming contract. The players would never relinquish the power they have to agree to a hard cap. Teams would find ways to exploit the hard cap with deferred bonuses and other financial loopholes. Any team in baseball can be competitive if they have an ownership that is willing to invest in the team and not line their own pockets.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 29, 2018 15:05:53 GMT -8
"Having money" is based on ownership that has a vested interest in winning. The Yankees can spend 200 million because they have the resources. If another team has the resources, they can do the same. That has nothing to do with baseball. It's privatized ownership. Another thing you completely ignore is the difference in unions in sports. The NFL is controlled by the owners. Roger Goodell is a shill for the owners. A figurehead puppet, if you will. The players union controls MLB. Why on Earth would they want to agree with a hard cap which limits their earnings? Bryce Harper is going to make 400 million plus on his upcoming contract. The players would never relinquish the power they have to agree to a hard cap. Teams would find ways to exploit the hard cap with deferred bonuses and other financial loopholes. Any team in baseball can be competitive if they have an ownership that is willing to invest in the team and not line their own pockets. The Yankees can spend 3 times as much as small/mid market teams without spending a dine of ownership's money. The same is true of the Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. The ability to do so is based on geography and population.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 29, 2018 16:02:53 GMT -8
"Having money" is based on ownership that has a vested interest in winning. The Yankees can spend 200 million because they have the resources. If another team has the resources, they can do the same. That has nothing to do with baseball. It's privatized ownership. Another thing you completely ignore is the difference in unions in sports. The NFL is controlled by the owners. Roger Goodell is a shill for the owners. A figurehead puppet, if you will. The players union controls MLB. Why on Earth would they want to agree with a hard cap which limits their earnings? Bryce Harper is going to make 400 million plus on his upcoming contract. The players would never relinquish the power they have to agree to a hard cap. Teams would find ways to exploit the hard cap with deferred bonuses and other financial loopholes. Any team in baseball can be competitive if they have an ownership that is willing to invest in the team and not line their own pockets. The Yankees can spend 3 times as much as small/mid market teams without spending a dine of ownership's money. The same is true of the Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. The ability to do so is based on geography and population. Isn't any money generated by the franchise ownership's money? Asking for a friend.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 29, 2018 16:14:27 GMT -8
The Padres are now up to 303 K's in 29 games--averaging 10.4 K's per game. That is a pace for almost 1700 strikeouts as a team for the season, which I believe would be a record
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2018 16:58:23 GMT -8
It would be the record by a wide margin. 33.3% of all AB's now across MLB are strikeouts, walks or home runs. Crisis level.
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Apr 29, 2018 17:12:22 GMT -8
When will we win another game? This week? This month? Set the all time k record?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 29, 2018 18:46:27 GMT -8
When will we win another game? This week? This month? Set the all time k record? I will go with this week. The strikeout record needs lots of time.
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Post by ab on Apr 29, 2018 20:03:31 GMT -8
The Padres are now up to 303 K's in 29 games--averaging 10.4 K's per game. That is a pace for almost 1700 strikeouts as a team for the season, which I believe would be a record a couple hundred more than the current record.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 29, 2018 21:38:55 GMT -8
The Yankees can spend 3 times as much as small/mid market teams without spending a dine of ownership's money. The same is true of the Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. The ability to do so is based on geography and population. Isn't any money generated by the franchise ownership's money? Asking for a friend. For small market teams to do what the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc do, the owners of the small market teams would have to use their own money outside what is generated by the team, losing them millions (perhaps tens of millions) of dollars a year. That's not financially sustainable. No one makes an investment to lose money. Question for you now, do you believe that the Padres could have a $180 Million payroll, a $3 Million a year manager, and a top paid coaching staff without losing tens of millions of dollars a year? There's a reason why the Padres haven't had a decent hitting coach since Merv Rettenmund. Money. They can't pay really good hitting coaches enough to have their reputations ruined by the awful roster the Padres have (and have had for the last 15 years).
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 30, 2018 0:24:44 GMT -8
Having a salary cap in baseball would accomplish absolutely nothing. You can't compare football contracts and basketball contracts with baseball contracts. They just don't equate. Football has a hard cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs. Basketball has a cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs with a real chance to win, and basketball is arguably worse because it generally comes down to about 4 teams that have a legitimate shot to win a title. And that's ALL based on good management. NFL and NBA teams don't lose because they don't have money. MLB teams DO lose because they don't have money. It isn't just about managment quality in MLB, it's also about revenue and the ability to re-sign your own best players and the ability to hire the best managers and coaches. Small (and smaller mid) market teams don't have the money to compete for the best at those jobs. These are undisputable facts. MLB fans are desperate to believe that money doesn't play a big role in succes, but it does. YES small market teams can and do eventually hit on a winning combination - but it almost never lasts. The big market teams just spend their way out of trouble and almost never have losing seasons. Those are facts. This argument is running in circles, everyone has good points. Baseball has issues and isn’t perfect.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 30, 2018 8:26:37 GMT -8
Isn't any money generated by the franchise ownership's money? Asking for a friend. For small market teams to do what the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc do, the owners of the small market teams would have to use their own money outside what is generated by the team, losing them millions (perhaps tens of millions) of dollars a year. That's not financially sustainable. No one makes an investment to lose money. Question for you now, do you believe that the Padres could have a $180 Million payroll, a $3 Million a year manager, and a top paid coaching staff without losing tens of millions of dollars a year? There's a reason why the Padres haven't had a decent hitting coach since Merv Rettenmund. Money. They can't pay really good hitting coaches enough to have their reputations ruined by the awful roster the Padres have (and have had for the last 15 years). Rettenmund was here 2 different times. Tony Gwynn loved the guy, and he was here for 9 seasons the first time here. Then, he came back in 2006, but was fired in 2007. Under Moores. And you don't need a $180 million payroll or a $3 million a year manager or a top paid coaching staff to be successful in MLB. Except maybe in your eyes.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 30, 2018 10:40:07 GMT -8
For small market teams to do what the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc do, the owners of the small market teams would have to use their own money outside what is generated by the team, losing them millions (perhaps tens of millions) of dollars a year. That's not financially sustainable. No one makes an investment to lose money. Question for you now, do you believe that the Padres could have a $180 Million payroll, a $3 Million a year manager, and a top paid coaching staff without losing tens of millions of dollars a year? There's a reason why the Padres haven't had a decent hitting coach since Merv Rettenmund. Money. They can't pay really good hitting coaches enough to have their reputations ruined by the awful roster the Padres have (and have had for the last 15 years). Rettenmund was here 2 different times. Tony Gwynn loved the guy, and he was here for 9 seasons the first time here. Then, he came back in 2006, but was fired in 2007. Under Moores. And you don't need a $180 million payroll or a $3 million a year manager or a top paid coaching staff to be successful in MLB. Except maybe in your eyes. But you need to spend significantly more than the Padres can to MAINTAIN success for more than 2 or 3 years. It is unbelievably stupid to follow a team that by design of the league is supposed to fail (have a losing record) 7 or 8 years out of every 10. It's especially stupid when the big market teams are exempt from that expectation and have winning records 8 or 9 years out of every 10.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 30, 2018 10:42:20 GMT -8
Rettenmund was here 2 different times. Tony Gwynn loved the guy, and he was here for 9 seasons the first time here. Then, he came back in 2006, but was fired in 2007. Under Moores. And you don't need a $180 million payroll or a $3 million a year manager or a top paid coaching staff to be successful in MLB. Except maybe in your eyes. But you need to spend significantly more than the Padres can to MAINTAIN success for more than 2 or 3 years. It is unbelievably stupid to follow a team that by design of the league is supposed to fail (have a losing record) 7 or 8 years out of every 10. It's especially stupid when the big market teams are exempt from that expectation and have winning records 8 or 9 years out of every 10. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 30, 2018 10:47:29 GMT -8
But you need to spend significantly more than the Padres can to MAINTAIN success for more than 2 or 3 years. It is unbelievably stupid to follow a team that by design of the league is supposed to fail (have a losing record) 7 or 8 years out of every 10. It's especially stupid when the big market teams are exempt from that expectation and have winning records 8 or 9 years out of every 10. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz You know I'm right, but are desperate to remain a fan even though the league is rigged in favor of the big market teams. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, indeed. Keep sleeping, keep your eyes closed when you see the corruption in the system, that way you can keep enabling the league.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 30, 2018 10:49:50 GMT -8
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz You know I'm right, but are desperate to remain a fan even though the league is rigged in favor of the big market teams. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, indeed. Keep sleeping, keep your eyes closed when you see the corruption in the system, that way you can keep enabling the league. Only trying to sleep through you jibberish. But carry on. You're nothing if not persistent.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 30, 2018 11:53:24 GMT -8
You know I'm right, but are desperate to remain a fan even though the league is rigged in favor of the big market teams. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, indeed. Keep sleeping, keep your eyes closed when you see the corruption in the system, that way you can keep enabling the league. Only trying to sleep through you jibberish. But carry on. You're nothing if not persistent. Maybe, but what I really am shocked by is the nonchalant attitude of some fans toward a really screwed up system. From what many fans have posted here they just don't care. I really don't get that attitude.
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