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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 13:54:07 GMT -8
You can't prove it, so your statement is as much BS to me as my statement is to you. I may not be able to prove it, but you know damned well that small market teams cannot offer as much money as big market teams can, so if they're both after the same coach the big market team is going to get him. "I may not be able to prove it...". You could have, and should have, stopped right there. And I stand by my previous statement.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 14:32:39 GMT -8
As I mentioned, MLB doesn't publish coaches salaries, but common sense and market forces say that the big money teams get the coaches and managers they want by spending more money on them than their competition can. A couple minutes on google found this for ya.. www.statisticbrain.com/mlb-coaches-salary/Now how about you spend some time doing the same to back up your statements? Bruce, maybe if you actually looked at the info there you'd see that what they call, "Coaches," are really the managers. I ran into that site last night while googling to find the info. I checked a half dozen sites, none had the info.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 14:36:29 GMT -8
I may not be able to prove it, but you know damned well that small market teams cannot offer as much money as big market teams can, so if they're both after the same coach the big market team is going to get him. "I may not be able to prove it...". You could have, and should have, stopped right there. And I stand by my previous statement. So you don't think the big market teams can and do pay more to get the coaches they want?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 15:12:49 GMT -8
"I may not be able to prove it...". You could have, and should have, stopped right there. And I stand by my previous statement. So you don't think the big market teams can and do pay more to get the coaches they want? I think any team can pay whatever they want to pay.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 18:57:00 GMT -8
So you don't think the big market teams can and do pay more to get the coaches they want? I think any team can pay whatever they want to pay. Really? So the Padres have the same revenue as the Yankees, then?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 27, 2018 19:09:45 GMT -8
I think any team can pay whatever they want to pay. Really? So the Padres have the same revenue as the Yankees, then? Don't see where I ever said that.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2018 22:40:59 GMT -8
Really? So the Padres have the same revenue as the Yankees, then? Don't see where I ever said that. Well, then the Padres CAN'T spend whatever they want to get coaches, managers, etc, can they? The Yankees can. The Dodgers can. The Red Sox can. The Padres, Brewers, etc, cannot. The small market teams can't spend money they don't have.
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Post by aardvark on Apr 28, 2018 6:38:00 GMT -8
Don't see where I ever said that. Well, then the Padres CAN'T spend whatever they want to get coaches, managers, etc, can they? The Yankees can. The Dodgers can. The Red Sox can. The Padres, Brewers, etc, cannot. The small market teams can't spend money they don't have. I didn't say that either. But put whatever words in my mouth you want to. You bore me.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2018 8:46:20 GMT -8
Well, then the Padres CAN'T spend whatever they want to get coaches, managers, etc, can they? The Yankees can. The Dodgers can. The Red Sox can. The Padres, Brewers, etc, cannot. The small market teams can't spend money they don't have. I didn't say that either. But put whatever words in my mouth you want to. You bore me. You make no sense. Yes or no - do big market teams have far more money to spend on players, managers, and coaches than small/mid market teams do? Yes or no - do market forces (supply and demand) really influence prices/salaries? You said that the Padres (and other small/mid market teams) can pay, "Whatever they want," for coaches. That simply isn't true. They can only spend what their budgets allow. Their budgets are MUCH smaller than big market teams. So when they compete for position coaches the big market teams have the ability to offer much more money than small/mid market teams can. All I'm trying to do is apply common sense based on facts that we know. You are arguing against that. Why?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 28, 2018 9:10:27 GMT -8
I didn't say that either. But put whatever words in my mouth you want to. You bore me. You make no sense. Yes or no - do big market teams have far more money to spend on players, managers, and coaches than small/mid market teams do? Yes or no - do market forces (supply and demand) really influence prices/salaries? You said that the Padres (and other small/mid market teams) can pay, "Whatever they want," for coaches. That simply isn't true. They can only spend what their budgets allow. Their budgets are MUCH smaller than big market teams. So when they compete for position coaches the big market teams have the ability to offer much more money than small/mid market teams can. All I'm trying to do is apply common sense based on facts that we know. You are arguing against that. Why? Zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 28, 2018 13:18:07 GMT -8
I didn't say that either. But put whatever words in my mouth you want to. You bore me. You make no sense. Yes or no - do big market teams have far more money to spend on players, managers, and coaches than small/mid market teams do? Yes or no - do market forces (supply and demand) really influence prices/salaries? You said that the Padres (and other small/mid market teams) can pay, "Whatever they want," for coaches. That simply isn't true. They can only spend what their budgets allow. Their budgets are MUCH smaller than big market teams. So when they compete for position coaches the big market teams have the ability to offer much more money than small/mid market teams can. All I'm trying to do is apply common sense based on facts that we know. You are arguing against that. Why? If you are looking for fairness, you won’t find it in professional sports, especially baseball. Fairness is something which is imposed on us by politicians seeking political favor and quite honestly your thoughts have been shaped into buying into this. So unless all the US cities money and population somehow even out, it will always seem ‘unfair’, deal with it or move on to another hobby.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2018 14:30:28 GMT -8
You make no sense. Yes or no - do big market teams have far more money to spend on players, managers, and coaches than small/mid market teams do? Yes or no - do market forces (supply and demand) really influence prices/salaries? You said that the Padres (and other small/mid market teams) can pay, "Whatever they want," for coaches. That simply isn't true. They can only spend what their budgets allow. Their budgets are MUCH smaller than big market teams. So when they compete for position coaches the big market teams have the ability to offer much more money than small/mid market teams can. All I'm trying to do is apply common sense based on facts that we know. You are arguing against that. Why? If you are looking for fairness, you won’t find it in professional sports, especially baseball. Fairness is something which is imposed on us by politicians seeking political favor and quite honestly your thoughts have been shaped into buying into this. So unless all the US cities money and population somehow even out, it will always seem ‘unfair’, deal with it or move on to another hobby. The NFL gets it right. Revenue sharing and a hard cap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 17:36:35 GMT -8
I didn't say that either. But put whatever words in my mouth you want to. You bore me. You make no sense. Yes or no - do big market teams have far more money to spend on players, managers, and coaches than small/mid market teams do? Yes or no - do market forces (supply and demand) really influence prices/salaries? You said that the Padres (and other small/mid market teams) can pay, "Whatever they want," for coaches. That simply isn't true. They can only spend what their budgets allow. Their budgets are MUCH smaller than big market teams. So when they compete for position coaches the big market teams have the ability to offer much more money than small/mid market teams can. All I'm trying to do is apply common sense based on facts that we know. You are arguing against that. Why? I am not sure you are making too much sense yourself. I guess you would like John Moores to come back and have a 30 million dollar payroll. Since the somewhat new owners have taken over, the Padres payroll has been around or over 100 million. I think Musician said it's upper management including coaching that doesn't seem to have the ability to scout talent very well. That might be true. But if MLB is correct in giving the Padres so much credit for their farm system, then I think it's coaching not a money issue. Please Go Padres Over 71 Wins!!$$
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2018 17:36:44 GMT -8
Faulty logic at its finest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 17:43:16 GMT -8
Faulty logic at its finest. I you are talking about my logic, then I don't get it. The Padres are supposed to have all kinds of young talent ready for seasons to come. And I know management spent some money to get that talent. So I am going with coaching that's the problem. Why would the Padres pay Andy Green any more money? Also, what managers are available that are worth over 2 million?
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2018 19:13:38 GMT -8
I was referring to the umpteenth rant about baseball being unfair.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2018 19:37:17 GMT -8
I was referring to the umpteenth rant about baseball being unfair. Pro leagues are supposed to have a fairly level playing field. It's supposed to be about how well run and coached the team is, not how much money they have to spend. Look at the NFL. Teams that are regular losers are losers because of ownership and management, not because they can't afford great coaches and players. In MLB a lot of teams lose solely because they don't have enough money to compete, and it's exceedingly rare for a small/mid market team to be a consistent winner for more than 2 or 3 years. The big money teams win almost every year. That's messed up, and if you excuse or condone or accept that then you might as well be watching WWE. MLB is just a step and a half up from, "Sports Entertainment."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 20:33:54 GMT -8
I was referring to the umpteenth rant about baseball being unfair. My Bad. I get you. Maybe TAP can explain how until last year the Dodgers had not been to the World Series since 1988. They have spent a sheet load. Hmmmm?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 28, 2018 20:56:07 GMT -8
I was referring to the umpteenth rant about baseball being unfair. Pro leagues are supposed to have a fairly level playing field. It's supposed to be about how well run and coached the team is, not how much money they have to spend. Look at the NFL. Teams that are regular losers are losers because of ownership and management, not because they can't afford great coaches and players. In MLB a lot of teams lose solely because they don't have enough money to compete, and it's exceedingly rare for a small/mid market team to be a consistent winner for more than 2 or 3 years. The big money teams win almost every year. That's messed up, and if you excuse or condone or accept that then you might as well be watching WWE. MLB is just a step and a half up from, "Sports Entertainment." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2018 7:22:26 GMT -8
Having a salary cap in baseball would accomplish absolutely nothing. You can't compare football contracts and basketball contracts with baseball contracts. They just don't equate. Football has a hard cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs. Basketball has a cap, yet the same teams generally make the playoffs with a real chance to win, and basketball is arguably worse because it generally comes down to about 4 teams that have a legitimate shot to win a title.
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