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Post by jcljorgenson on Sept 22, 2017 13:22:25 GMT -8
I feel like the Spanos family burnt their bridges with most Charger fans, they are screwed if they stay in LA or if they come back to San Diego. The only feasible option is for Spanos to sell the team and then have a new owner act as the "hero" that will bring them back to San Diego. Take that path and the team will get tons of support and renewed interest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 13:29:43 GMT -8
The Spanos' can't come back here, ever. But if the owners tire of this cluster f x x x up in LA and waive the sale penalties so a big $$ guy can come in and buy the team for a fortune, I could see this happening and the new owner paying for a stadium somewhere in SD county. The NFL does not like being embarrassed, and this LA thing is extremely so for the league.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 22, 2017 13:38:33 GMT -8
The Spanos family moved the team to L.A. to increase its value. Wouldn't them moving back to SD reduce its value by a like amount? Astonishingly, according to the Forbes sports team valuations that just came out, the Chargers are worth $2.275m after their move to L.A. That's a jump of just $275m in valuation. The Chargers were running around saying for the past few years that such a move would gain them $1b in market value -- from $2b to $3b. Apparently, not so if you don't really have a fan base. Further, Spanos is now on the hook to pay the other owners a $650m relocation fee -- $65m each year for 10 years. He's actually managed to lose $$$ by moving to L.A. What a putz. www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-chargers/
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Post by laaztec on Sept 22, 2017 13:40:46 GMT -8
The real story.
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Post by aardvark on Sept 22, 2017 13:44:14 GMT -8
The Spanos family moved the team to L.A. to increase its value. Wouldn't them moving back to SD reduce its value by a like amount? Astonishingly, according to the Forbes sports team valuations that just came out, the Chargers are worth $2.275m after their move to L.A. That's a jump of just $275m in valuation. The Chargers were running around saying for the past few years that such a move would gain them $1b in market value -- from $2b to $3b. Apparently, not so if you don't really have a fan base. Further, Spanos is now on the hook to pay the other owners a $650m relocation fee -- $65m each year for 10 years. He's actually managed to lose $$$ by moving to L.A. What a putz. www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-chargers/...and the Rams only increased in value by $100 million. Then again, the Rams already doubled in value after the move to LA--guess it hasn't worked quite so well yet for $panos.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Sept 22, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -8
Click bait. Never gonna happen. The Spanos orchestrated their LA move over a fifteen year period and their franchise value went up by a billion dollars. No one is going to buy a franchise at LA pricing then movie it to small market San Diego. I agree that it is never going to happen, but the franchise value bump isn't real. NFL ratings are down everywhere, not just SoCal. If they sold now it would be at a fire sale price. If they're going to wait until the new stadium is built they have to hope the NFL can do something to turn around their down hill slide. It ain't gonna happen. Out of happenstance I had my 4 year old kid at a park where the local Pop-Warner teams were organizing. There had to be 50-75 girls of various ages in cheerleader or dance outfits and a total of 8 boys there to be football players. If the participation pipeline is emptying that quickly, the NFL is a dead man walking. The best it can do is manage the decline and the Chargers made the worst possible move at the worst possible time. They've wrecked their ratings, and wrecked their merchandise sales. I have no doubt the NFL would like to take Dean out back and beat him. His lack of vision has made their jobs that much harder. The Chargers are never coming back to San Diego and the Spanos clan is never going to get the big payday they thought they'd get by moving to LA. All they've done is make everyone on the planet mad at them. This whole thing is going to be held up as an example of how poor decision making by the children of a fortune-building entrepreneur usually lead to that wealth being destroyed. time.com/money/3925308/rich-families-lose-wealth/
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Post by rebar619 on Sept 22, 2017 13:46:01 GMT -8
Not going to happen. Move on.
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Post by legkick on Sept 22, 2017 13:53:24 GMT -8
Astonishingly, according to the Forbes sports team valuations that just came out, the Chargers are worth $2.275m after their move to L.A. That's a jump of just $275m in valuation. The Chargers were running around saying for the past few years that such a move would gain them $1b in market value -- from $2b to $3b. Apparently, not so if you don't really have a fan base. Further, Spanos is now on the hook to pay the other owners a $650m relocation fee -- $65m each year for 10 years. He's actually managed to lose $$$ by moving to L.A. What a putz. www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-chargers/While I love to bash the Spanuses, I wouldn't draw too much from the Forbes valuation, since it probably accounts for their CURRENT situation, tenant in the laughable Stub Hub, as opposed to the Spanuses' current end game, laughable tenant in the luxurious Inglewood football palace. They probably expect their valuation to hit $3B once in the new digs, or shortly thereafter. All of that assumes the NFL's popularity and profitability stays on the same trend lines as they were when the Spanuses were contemplating the move; there appear to be some cracks in the shield showing so that might not be the case.
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Post by richpjr on Sept 22, 2017 13:56:11 GMT -8
Don BanksVerified account @donbanks Re: My Chargers column, I didn't write team would be "sent'' back to SD by decree or "forced'' to sell. Not my words. Reading is fundamental
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 22, 2017 14:11:54 GMT -8
Not going to happen. Move on. Not sure which you mean isn't going to happen...the Chockers coming back or SDSU West. I'm guessing you mean the Chockers coming back, but the reason this can kill SDSU West is that now suddenly there's a chance (a snowball's chance in hell, but still a chance) the Chargers come back and this ridiculously slim chance would stop any development of the Q site until said chance is absolutely zero. That's the problem, especially as the City can shut down , or even tear down, the Murph during the delay as if a team comes back, it'll for sure be to a new stadium.
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Post by legkick on Sept 22, 2017 14:25:42 GMT -8
Not sure which you mean isn't going to happen...the Chockers coming back or SDSU West. I'm guessing you mean the Chockers coming back, but the reason this can kill SDSU West is that now suddenly there's a chance (a snowball's chance in hell, but still a chance) the Chargers come back and this ridiculously slim chance would stop any development of the Q site until said chance is absolutely zero. That's the problem, especially as the City can shut down , or even tear down, the Murph during the delay as if a team comes back, it'll for sure be to a new stadium. Why worry about something that has an infinitesimal chance of happening? It also doesn't follow that a Chargers return would kill an SDSU West. Only theoretically plausible return scenario (still <5% chance at this point) involves a self-funded new owner. Such an owner would almost certainly prefer downtown to MV.
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Post by whitehawk on Sept 22, 2017 14:25:46 GMT -8
Couldn't agree more. NFL and talking heads are bringing this all up to get more attention on the two teams. I'll stick with the Red and Black! One City, One Team!
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 22, 2017 14:47:51 GMT -8
Odds:
20 to 1 chargers return
15 to 1 fs investors plan wins
8 to 1 SDSU west actually happens
2 to 1 SDSU plays at Qualcomm for the next 7 to 10 years with no SDSU west shovel ready plan like stans was during this time period.
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 22, 2017 14:48:24 GMT -8
Assuming this was a horse race.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Sept 22, 2017 15:00:07 GMT -8
Go SDSU WEST! Go AZTECS!
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Post by rebar619 on Sept 22, 2017 15:02:08 GMT -8
Not going to happen. Move on. Not sure which you mean isn't going to happen...the Chockers coming back or SDSU West. I'm guessing you mean the Chockers coming back, but the reason this can kill SDSU West is that now suddenly there's a chance (a snowball's chance in hell, but still a chance) the Chargers come back and this ridiculously slim chance would stop any development of the Q site until said chance is absolutely zero. That's the problem, especially as the City can shut down , or even tear down, the Murph during the delay as if a team comes back, it'll for sure be to a new stadium. The Dolts are not coming back. Full steam ahead on SDSU West. We need to be focused on defeating SuckerCity.
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Post by rebar619 on Sept 22, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -8
Odds: 2000 to 1 chargers return 15 to 1 fs investors plan wins 812 to 1 SDSU west actually happens 2 to 1 SDSU plays at Qualcomm for the next 7 to 10 years with no SDSU west shovel ready plan like stans was during this time period. FIFY - Don't underestimate the ability of SoccerCity to get passed. Next game up for the FB team is Air Force. Next game up for the fans is Soccer City. Need to bury them.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 22, 2017 15:15:02 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 22, 2017 15:26:52 GMT -8
Only the media could create a story a day ago and kill it the next day. Congrats.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 22, 2017 15:40:15 GMT -8
Only the media could create a story a day ago and kill it the next day. Congrats. It's the internet age. Only matter how may clicks you get. You don't have to be correct or have the actual facts.
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