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Post by azteccc on May 17, 2019 10:39:24 GMT -8
Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on! In all honesty, you are the the Aztec basketball guru. Considering last years disappointing season, if you rule out recruiting, is there a developing players issue? From the outside, it appears that players didn’t improve from the year before. Is it a bump a in the road or something else? I ask you because I think you have the inside angles that I don’t and your opinion is most of the time spot on. I would decidedly not consider myself a guru of any kind, unless you count being zen af... then maybe. I’ve only got the same info everyone else has access to. Is there an issue developing players? I honestly don’t know - maybe? But I think overall player development has more to do with the player than the coaches. We’ve also had coaching changes it seems like every year, which can’t help development or style continuity and progress. I think Hutson is a borderline savant on the D side - that loss hurt. Dutch is still finding an identity. If i was going to btch about anything the coaches did/are doing, it’s not giving enough run to the young guys in meaningful situations. Our on court success has seemed to track with an increased willingness to change the rotation. We’ve also missed on some recruits - at least in the sense that they haven’t lived up to their rankings and expectations. Some of that is unfair fan expectations, and some is an over reliance on evaluations from dudes who can’t make a left handed layup. That being said, it seems we have lost some of our ability to find underlooked guys - or, rather, we’ve just not gone that route and have moved to looking at higher ranked guys. If we’re going to get the four star guys, we need to not miss as much as we have. But if we return to picking up 2/3 star guys with a chip, the fans lose their minds and scream that we can’t recruit high profile anymore. So it’s kind of a lose-lose if we aren’t winning titles. I also think in general some of these conversations are silly because like it or not, we root for San Diego State. A team in a s#!++y conference that has done some amazing things and has amazing potential, but gets like $1.2M a year in tv money and will never be Kentucky or Duke. I say that because it makes our margin for error SO small, that mistakes we make could be easily overcome if nothing but the name/conference logo on the front of our jersey was different. Taking that out on the guys that chose to be Aztecs when they had plenty of options is a pretty s#!++y thing for fans to do.
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on May 17, 2019 11:50:40 GMT -8
In all honesty, you are the the Aztec basketball guru. Considering last years disappointing season, if you rule out recruiting, is there a developing players issue? From the outside, it appears that players didn’t improve from the year before. Is it a bump a in the road or something else? I ask you because I think you have the inside angles that I don’t and your opinion is most of the time spot on. I would decidedly not consider myself a guru of any kind, unless you count being zen af... then maybe. I’ve only got the same info everyone else has access to. Is there an issue developing players? I honestly don’t know - maybe? But I think overall player development has more to do with the player than the coaches. We’ve also had coaching changes it seems like every year, which can’t help development or style continuity and progress. I think Hutson is a borderline savant on the D side - that loss hurt. Dutch is still finding an identity. If i was going to btch about anything the coaches did/are doing, it’s not giving enough run to the young guys in meaningful situations. Our on court success has seemed to track with an increased willingness to change the rotation. We’ve also missed on some recruits - at least in the sense that they haven’t lived up to their rankings and expectations. Some of that is unfair fan expectations, and some is an over reliance on evaluations from dudes who can’t make a left handed layup. That being said, it seems we have lost some of our ability to find underlooked guys - or, rather, we’ve just not gone that route and have moved to looking at higher ranked guys. If we’re going to get the four star guys, we need to not miss as much as we have. But if we return to picking up 2/3 star guys with a chip, the fans lose their minds and scream that we can’t recruit high profile anymore. So it’s kind of a lose-lose if we aren’t winning titles. I also think in general some of these conversations are silly because like it or not, we root for San Diego State. A team in a s#!++y conference that has done some amazing things and has amazing potential, but gets like $1.2M a year in tv money and will never be Kentucky or Duke. I say that because it makes our margin for error SO small, that mistakes we make could be easily overcome if nothing but the name/conference logo on the front of our jersey was different. Taking that out on the guys that chose to be Aztecs when they had plenty of options is a pretty s#!++y thing for fans to do. This analysis is spot on... One thing I'll add is team chemistry...it seemed like the Aztecs last year were preoccupied at times with a lot of other outside things other than playing basketball as a team...a lot of that had to do with new faces (especially those from different backgrounds)...a guy or two looking at the next level and his draft order...a guy self-admitting that he was fight bouts of depression...a tremendous amount of youth (9 out of 12 were Frosh or Soph)...and the list goes on. This is not to say that our team was different than any other of the 365 D-1 teams (everyone deals with something) and I don't want to use it as an excuse...but as many fans easily saw...there were times when the Aztecs were unstoppable...and other times when the players never even showed up (figuratively not literally)...and I believe that chemistry and team leadership (not coaching leadership) had a hand in those outcomes...
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Post by kevinharlanooooh on May 17, 2019 12:46:55 GMT -8
Can we please get back on the topic of Jaden?
It seems as if according to Jalen its between one close school and one far away. That sounds like UW vs UK. Would be nice if somehow we are in still in play.
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Post by aztecking on May 17, 2019 14:51:29 GMT -8
I don’t understand the hype for this guy. He was a role player for arguably the worst P5 team in the country. It’s laughable to think he’ll replace even 40% of Jalen’s production. If he averages 6 ppg we should be happy. Like when we got that role player guard from a 15-16 WAZZU team in 2009? You mean the freshman with a lot of room for improvement?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 15:52:13 GMT -8
Like when we got that role player guard from a 15-16 WAZZU team in 2009? You mean the freshman with a lot of room for improvement? Twisting himself into a knot to equate Wetzell’s offseason to Xavier’s 4 full years.
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Post by Gundo on May 17, 2019 17:04:46 GMT -8
Meanwhile, we can drag this out to 40 pages in the next day or so. Plenty of speculation and opinions.
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Post by Den60 on May 17, 2019 17:21:17 GMT -8
Given Jalen's recent comments about him choosing between two schools to stay home versus playing "far away" it sounds like we are no longer a consideration. We have been recruiting higher profile players and have likely been recruiting Jaden as long as we were recruiting Jalen. Perhaps we should go back to our roots and focus on the under the radar recruits rather than those guys who can pick from notable P5 schools. If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between. We have been losing 5* recruits to either UNLV or established P5 programs (and those P5s we lost to UNLV didn't help their program a whit). A decade ago we didn't even pursue them, that is the only thing that has changed. Nate Mensah had a 4* rating as well as Keyshad Johnson with some services as well. Not sure where Kawhi was finally rated when we singed him, he was a late bloomer. I'm not even sure Jamal Franklin even was rated when we signed him.
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Post by Den60 on May 17, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -8
If SDSU has been recruiting higher profile players, then SDSU has been losing out miserably. SDSU's last 4* commit was Jalen McDaniels - over three years ago. And that's the problem. It's not 2008 anymore. With the proliferation of AAU ball, recruiting websites, Twitter, etc., the big boys are all over quality talent. Under-the-radar recruits are few and far between. Keshad Johnson is a four star. So it’s been 0 years. Or I guess you could go back one year, where Nathan was a four star and Joel and Ed were four star on some sites. I guess you could go back one more year and Jordan Schakel was a four star. If you go back one morrre year though you’d find Nolan Narain, a four star Going back even another year though and you’d run into Jeremy Hemsley, a four star. But I guess that’s further back than you were talking about. That doesn’t include the transfer market though, where we got a PAC 12 15.8ppg and 4.3apg guy coming in. Shouldn’t count that as recruiting. Other than that you’re spot on! <APPLAUSE>
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Post by Den60 on May 17, 2019 17:25:13 GMT -8
Can we please get back on the topic of Jaden? It seems as if according to Jalen its between one close school and one far away. That sounds like UW vs UK. Would be nice if somehow we are in still in play. I just posted the quote from Jalen who said it is down to two schools, one close and one far away, for his brother.
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Post by Den60 on May 17, 2019 17:26:56 GMT -8
Can we please get back on the topic of Jaden? It seems as if according to Jalen its between one close school and one far away. That sounds like UW vs UK. Would be nice if somehow we are in still in play. You're right. By the way, I'm watching the US women's soccer team versus New Zealand and I have to say the NZ keeper is a "keeper."
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Post by jp92grad on May 17, 2019 18:09:22 GMT -8
Can we please get back on the topic of Jaden? It seems as if according to Jalen its between one close school and one far away. That sounds like UW vs UK. Would be nice if somehow we are in still in play. You're right. By the way, I'm watching the US women's soccer team versus New Zealand and I have to say the NZ keeper is a "keeper." NICE!
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Post by aztecfred on May 17, 2019 20:17:01 GMT -8
Might as well move this to off topic
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on May 17, 2019 21:11:10 GMT -8
Might as well move this to off topic Amen
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Post by Gundo on May 19, 2019 17:58:15 GMT -8
Prediction, Mc D Jr. makes a decision this week and U Dub? Maybe.
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Post by haleiwaaztec on May 20, 2019 12:24:46 GMT -8
I'd say 90% it will be Washington (10% UK). There has been no buzz for him to SDSU in quite a while, so no reason to think he is even still considering us.
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Post by longtimesdsufan on May 20, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -8
Put a fork in this thread. Hope we play him and beat whatever team he is on.
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Post by chris92065 on May 20, 2019 20:48:06 GMT -8
In all honesty, you are the the Aztec basketball guru. Considering last years disappointing season, if you rule out recruiting, is there a developing players issue? From the outside, it appears that players didn’t improve from the year before. Is it a bump a in the road or something else? I ask you because I think you have the inside angles that I don’t and your opinion is most of the time spot on. I would decidedly not consider myself a guru of any kind, unless you count being zen af... then maybe. I’ve only got the same info everyone else has access to. Is there an issue developing players? I honestly don’t know - maybe? But I think overall player development has more to do with the player than the coaches. We’ve also had coaching changes it seems like every year, which can’t help development or style continuity and progress. I think Hutson is a borderline savant on the D side - that loss hurt. Dutch is still finding an identity. If i was going to btch about anything the coaches did/are doing, it’s not giving enough run to the young guys in meaningful situations. Our on court success has seemed to track with an increased willingness to change the rotation. We’ve also missed on some recruits - at least in the sense that they haven’t lived up to their rankings and expectations. Some of that is unfair fan expectations, and some is an over reliance on evaluations from dudes who can’t make a left handed layup. That being said, it seems we have lost some of our ability to find underlooked guys - or, rather, we’ve just not gone that route and have moved to looking at higher ranked guys. If we’re going to get the four star guys, we need to not miss as much as we have. But if we return to picking up 2/3 star guys with a chip, the fans lose their minds and scream that we can’t recruit high profile anymore. So it’s kind of a lose-lose if we aren’t winning titles. I also think in general some of these conversations are silly because like it or not, we root for San Diego State. A team in a s#!++y conference that has done some amazing things and has amazing potential, but gets like $1.2M a year in tv money and will never be Kentucky or Duke. I say that because it makes our margin for error SO small, that mistakes we make could be easily overcome if nothing but the name/conference logo on the front of our jersey was different. Taking that out on the guys that chose to be Aztecs when they had plenty of options is a pretty s#!++y thing for fans to do. Thank you. Excellent insight.
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Post by jdaztec on May 20, 2019 21:37:33 GMT -8
He can't commit till we hit 40 pages !
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Post by survalli on May 21, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -8
Can Juwan Howard land McDaniels at Michigan?
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Post by aztecanthony on May 21, 2019 18:38:38 GMT -8
Can Juwan Howard land McDaniels at Michigan? Just to get to 40 pages....it ain’t over for SDSU until the fat lady sings.
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