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Post by douchey1 on Feb 10, 2016 23:16:20 GMT -8
Seniors and Pope are a complete disappointment this year. Lots of guys went thru the motions tonight, absolutely no fight in our guys. I'd like to just forget this season and hopefully the team will take on a new look and personality next year.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 10, 2016 23:22:24 GMT -8
This team has a ton of fight! They played extremely hard today, there were some really dumb passes but effort was not an issue at all. The OOC was a huge letdown, we are 11-1 in conference play, we play ugly. Fight as you put it is not a question with this team at all. They lost 1 road game, hopefully they can regroup and get back on track. The biggest issue today were inaccurate passes, we weren't rushing, we were being hesitant and it led to turnovers.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Feb 11, 2016 7:57:38 GMT -8
Stand by! If these guys can't realize that they need to move the ball and score in the paint you may see 2 more of these ugly L's! 1 when they run into a team that shoots out of it's mind all game and another where they get zoned and can't cope! This team is scary, but not scary good! JMO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 8:20:07 GMT -8
This team has a ton of fight! They played extremely hard today, there were some really dumb passes but effort was not an issue at all. The OOC was a huge letdown, we are 11-1 in conference play, we play ugly. Fight as you put it is not a question with this team at all. They lost 1 road game, hopefully they can regroup and get back on track. The biggest issue today were inaccurate passes, we weren't rushing, we were being hesitant and it led to turnovers. Fisher called them silly passes and they made silly passes in the same spot too |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Feb 11, 2016 8:21:29 GMT -8
Fight isn't the issue. Winning 11 straight mostly close games demonstrates that.
Going undefeated in conference is highly unlikely in basketball. There are so many games that you're likely to have a bad one. Last night, we had a bad one. It was like watching December all over again. They'll regroup.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 11, 2016 9:13:05 GMT -8
I agree with the premise -- on both sides of the ball. The good news being that the D making things ugly is a positive thing (as in good enough for a 3 game lead)
The bad news is the ugly O, plain to see for everybody -- which is why I decided back in December to enjoy the road to our impending MWC title and the banner that comes with it. Anything after that ranges from crapshoot (MWCT) to extreme long-shot (advancing in MM).
It's a helluva D squad, but zero reliability on the other end of the hardwood floor.
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Feb 11, 2016 9:20:37 GMT -8
Sleepy for our sanity, your approach is the best for this season.
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 11, 2016 9:56:08 GMT -8
Sleepy for our sanity, your approach is the best for this season. I think we should move ZC to the 5, MP to the 4, DA to the 3, and leave the guards alone, Pope would find his rhythm and confidence perhaps. Use SS and WS as subs for defensive purposes. I realize it will never happen but its our greatest chance to increase our upside in MM and much better chance of defeating the zone defenses. |
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Post by Gundo on Feb 11, 2016 10:28:06 GMT -8
Seniors and Pope are a complete disappointment this year. Lots of guys went thru the motions tonight, absolutely no fight in our guys. I'd like to just forget this season and hopefully the team will take on a new look and personality next year. The Fresneck game was sloppy and lazy, massive turnovers, no 50/50 balls and untimely misses at the line. We out shot them and beat them on the boards, how do you lose the game? A few times Shep should have taken it to the rim and passed up shots in favor of Chol or Sky? Both didnt work. |
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 11, 2016 11:15:36 GMT -8
Sleepy for our sanity, your approach is the best for this season. I think we should move ZC to the 5, MP to the 4, DA to the 3, and leave the guards alone, Pope would find his rhythm and confidence perhaps. Use SS and WS as subs for defensive purposes. I realize it will never happen but its our greatest chance to increase our upside in MM and much better chance of defeating the zone defenses. Sky has arguably been our most valuable player - he's been brilliant on D', and has played smart offensively in conference play. He had a bad game. Win has been pretty good as well. You don't bench players over one game. DA has been worse than Win. MUCH worse. Don't know how he helps against a zone??? He's 24% from outside in conference play; Win is 28%, and is a much, MUCH better passer & rebounder.
As much as I love seeing Pope & Z on the floor together, right now w/o Sky or Chol on the floor with them for help D that's a major defensive liability.
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Post by onions on Feb 11, 2016 11:43:16 GMT -8
Fight isn't the issue. Winning 11 straight mostly close games demonstrates that. Going undefeated in conference is highly unlikely in basketball. There are so many games that you're likely to have a bad one. Last night, we had a bad one. It was like watching December all over again. They'll regroup. q Fight absolutely is the issue...this team tends to be arrogant, immature and plays down to their competition. They had to be repeatedly embarrassed early in the year to finally play hard and smart. The fact that their first and second half records are drastically different is evidence of that. Sadly ...I bet if Fresno was at full strength last night we win because our players wouldn't have let up intensity again and again. Also...I wish Hemsley would finally yell at Shepard and tell him to stop rolling the ball into him on inbound passes (a la Laettner screwing with Hurley disrespectfully). The freshmen on this team are the leaders but are trying to give respect to the seniors, but the seniors have proven they can't do it. Be vocal and take the lead. |
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 11, 2016 11:55:16 GMT -8
Live by Shep, die by Shep.
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Post by heuschele on Feb 12, 2016 18:56:20 GMT -8
We were out hustled. Look at the 50/50 balls.
There were also a lot of turn overs especially in the first half.
I never thought we would go undefeated. In fact at start of conference play I thought we would be lucky to lose only 4.
My issue is losing to a team that has as its best strength rebounding but was missing its two best rebounders.
If we lost to hot shooting Colorado state, fine.
If NM had not choked in final seconds and we lost fine.
If we lost to hot shooting and good rebounding Fresno at Viejas! Fine.
Losing to that Fresno team yesterday was pathetic. Hopefully the team uses it to improve their play going forward.
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Post by fisherville on Feb 12, 2016 22:25:17 GMT -8
Fight isn't the issue. Winning 11 straight mostly close games demonstrates that. Going undefeated in conference is highly unlikely in basketball. There are so many games that you're likely to have a bad one. Last night, we had a bad one. It was like watching December all over again. They'll regroup. q Fight absolutely is the issue...this team tends to be arrogant, immature and plays down to their competition. They had to be repeatedly embarrassed early in the year to finally play hard and smart. The fact that their first and second half records are drastically different is evidence of that. Sadly ...I bet if Fresno was at full strength last night we win because our players wouldn't have let up intensity again and again. Also...I wish Hemsley would finally yell at Shepard and tell him to stop rolling the ball into him on inbound passes (a la Laettner screwing with Hurley disrespectfully). The freshmen on this team are the leaders but are trying to give respect to the seniors, but the seniors have proven they can't do it. Be vocal and take the lead. As evidenced by there 11-1 conference record |
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Post by fisherville on Feb 12, 2016 22:25:49 GMT -8
Sleepy for our sanity, your approach is the best for this season. I think we should move ZC to the 5, MP to the 4, DA to the 3, and leave the guards alone, Pope would find his rhythm and confidence perhaps. Use SS and WS as subs for defensive purposes. I realize it will never happen but its our greatest chance to increase our upside in MM and much better chance of defeating the zone defenses. This is an awful idea. |
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Post by aztecanthony on Feb 13, 2016 1:39:40 GMT -8
I think we should move ZC to the 5, MP to the 4, DA to the 3, and leave the guards alone, Pope would find his rhythm and confidence perhaps. Use SS and WS as subs for defensive purposes. I realize it will never happen but its our greatest chance to increase our upside in MM and much better chance of defeating the zone defenses. This is an awful idea. A awful idea was to pass the ball to Sky in the low post against Fresno at the end of the game. We reallly needed a basket to tiie the game. He air balled it from 3 feet, not acceptable. Then Shep is just to inconsistent, he really can't shoot. What changes would you make to improve our upside? We play ugly again at the wrong time and season over. |
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Post by FLAztec4Life on Feb 13, 2016 4:25:58 GMT -8
The sky is falling!! Grab a pair and man up..... we are not going to win them all. Did not like that we lost or how we lost, but the good thing is that it was going to happen, and I'm glad it happened now then later. If you are still pissed.....get off our wagon! It's full from the 11 game winning streak!!
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Post by csfoster on Feb 13, 2016 8:27:17 GMT -8
As much as we fans get down on Winston for his mistakes, rest assured it is nothing compared to Winston getting down on himself. Fortunately and unlike us fans, he lets it go soon after each such game is over. He is quite resilient, not letting the blame for a bad game carryover to the next one and the one after that. This is the likely reason he is the winningest Aztec basketball player of all time.
Rather than thinking about Wednesday's loss, he is much more than likely thinking of helping to initiate the Aztecs next winning streak and making the NCAA Tournament. After all, the Aztecs have made it the last six seasons, three of which he has participated in.
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Post by OldSlowWhiteBaller on Feb 14, 2016 11:19:33 GMT -8
As much as we fans get down on Winston for his mistakes, rest assured it is nothing compared to Winston getting down on himself. Fortunately and unlike us fans, he lets it go soon after each such game is over. He is quite resilient, not letting the blame for a bad game carryover to the next one and the one after that. This is the likely reason he is the winningest Aztec basketball player of all time. Rather than thinking about Wednesday's loss, he is much more than likely thinking of helping to initiate the Aztecs next winning streak and making the NCAA Tournament. After all, the Aztecs have made it the last six seasons, three of which he has participated in. I will wait until the season is over to post an in-depth piece on this subject matter. |
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Post by heuschele on Feb 14, 2016 12:24:16 GMT -8
... This is the likely reason he is the winningest Aztec basketball player of all time... Really that is why you think he is all time winningest Aztec player? You do not think it was the great teams with great players like kawhi, Malcolm, DJ, X, JJ, Jamal (I'm not a fan but he was great player), etc. Him being the all time winningest Aztec basketball player is more a consequence of the quality of the program rather than anything Winston has done and especially how quickly he forgets his poor performances. I am not blaming Winston for the loss, it was a team effort. But he also did not do what was necessary for us to win including hitting at least one more FT. |
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