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Post by northcountymike on Feb 12, 2016 0:25:50 GMT -8
You have a habit of assuming things that aren't said. You do it often. Never said or implied any of the bolded part above. I'll keep it simple - if I was a BSU or NM fan I wouldn't think them worthy of an at-large bid. Given the fact SDSU is running away with this conference, has a solid RPI, and played a tough NC schedule leads me to believe we ARE deserving.
The conference RPI is HIGHER which means top to bottom the conference is better relative to all the other conferences out there. We're only a potential 1 bid conference because there aren't more teams separating themselves at the top, like last year. There's more parity. That's the norm this year college basketball. What "fuss" are you talking about?
You also assumed a bunch of crap about how the Mountain west = Southland, which was never said. We're a significantly better conference than all of those.
Your last paragraph makes absolutely ZERO sense. For one, all those programs are iconic, and have been for decades. In addition, those teams aren't in our conference; those teams have never been in our conference; those will never be in the MWC; those teams are getting MILLIONS in TV revenue. They dwarf our program in every aspect. They are what THEY are; we are what WE are. When you're in the MWC you're going to always have the identity of being in the MWC, just like Gonzaga is always going to have the identity of being in the WCC, and Wichita St will always have the identity of being in the MVC. We're no different. We've risen to the cream of the crop within our conference. That is a good thing.
If you want to ignore reality, ignore stats, etc., that's your choice. Just know many will disagree with you.
Yes, he assumes a lot. You know what they say about assuming...... Aw come on Johnny, piling on, really? Coug and I had a nice lively "debate" going on.
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 12, 2016 1:40:14 GMT -8
Instead of fretting over a loss, I prefer to focus on the positives:
Best start in MWC history is a good place to start. Aztecs just won a ton of road games, that's a good sign.
Season has been saved. Before the Wyoming game, The Aztecs were not playing well and the season was going down the toilet. Now, SDSU has played their way back into NCAA Tourney relevance.
Future stars have emerged. Hemsley, Cheatum, Kell and Pope are coming into their own and are the new core of the team.
The team can once again lay claim to the title 'toughest defense in the West'.
Finally, the rest of the season should be exciting!
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 12, 2016 9:00:36 GMT -8
Yes, he assumes a lot. You know what they say about assuming...... Aw come on Johnny, piling on, really? Coug and I had a nice lively "debate" going on. Ok. My bad. I'll stay out.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 12, 2016 14:20:01 GMT -8
You have a habit of assuming things that aren't said. You do it often. Never said or implied any of the bolded part above. I'll keep it simple - if I was a BSU or NM fan I wouldn't think them worthy of an at-large bid. Given the fact SDSU is running away with this conference, has a solid RPI, and played a tough NC schedule leads me to believe we ARE deserving.
The conference RPI is HIGHER which means top to bottom the conference is better relative to all the other conferences out there. We're only a potential 1 bid conference because there aren't more teams separating themselves at the top, like last year. There's more parity. That's the norm this year college basketball. What "fuss" are you talking about?
You also assumed a bunch of crap about how the Mountain west = Southland, which was never said. We're a significantly better conference than all of those.
Your last paragraph makes absolutely ZERO sense. For one, all those programs are iconic, and have been for decades. In addition, those teams aren't in our conference; those teams have never been in our conference; those will never be in the MWC; those teams are getting MILLIONS in TV revenue. They dwarf our program in every aspect. They are what THEY are; we are what WE are. When you're in the MWC you're going to always have the identity of being in the MWC, just like Gonzaga is always going to have the identity of being in the WCC, and Wichita St will always have the identity of being in the MVC. We're no different. We've risen to the cream of the crop within our conference. That is a good thing.
If you want to ignore reality, ignore stats, etc., that's your choice. Just know many will disagree with you.
Haha, I know you didn't actually say it and you may have not implied that. But, that's why I said, " I get the feeling" which you even bolded, so thank you for reiterating what my thoughts were. So there's my opinion right there. Is it reality? Who knows, but at least I can admit when an opinion is an opinion. But why the "fuss" about conference talk? Because you were the first person in this thread to bring it up. I disagreed with you and you "implied" that my opinion was wrong. The MWC is not any better than the Southland or any of the other conferences that I previously mentioned, in a sense because, at the end of the day, we might end up being a one-bid conference, just like them and that's what matters most. Yes, it matters a lot more than being ranked as the #11 conference in RPI or whatever we are now. And that's essentially the same as being one of those low-level conferences. The rest of the country doesn't give a rat's @$$ about conference RPI, and it's not going to get us into the dance, so why even bring it up? Don't start with the "reality" and "ignoring stats" crap again; this has nothing to do with that. You pass things off as fact all the time when it's not simply so and then you defend your position by proclaiming that a few of us ignore reality. Here's reality: we're one (or maybe 2) losses away from being eliminated from the NCAA tournament...this team struggles with outside shooting, inside shooting, and at times, free throw shooting. Your RPI conference "stats" won't help us advance in any tournament. I'm not ignoring reality, in my opinion, you are. You logic astounds me. Never fails. Just so I'm clear, ALL that matters when evaluating a conference is how many teams they get in the tournament? It doesn't matter if every team in the conference has an RPI under 200 or over 300, if they both have 1 team they're equal? Right?
So by that logic last year we were the 7th best conference in the entire country? And this year, if we send 2, which we have as good a chance as any except maybe 7 or 8, we would therefore be the 8th or 9th best conference in the nation? And just to be 100% clear again, if we go 17-1 and lose in the MWCT final & get 2 bids that would make us a better conference than if we win out, including the MWCT final?
Got it.
Yea, who cares about the level of depth a conference has or if they don't have any other teams inside the top 100 & instead they only play teams with RPI's in the 200's or 300's. Yep, that's logical (sarcasm alert).
Glad that's all cleared up.
Guess I disagree. I think there's the B6+A10 at the top, maybe the AAC next, then just a handful of conferences where if the regular season conference champion doesn't win it's tournament it still could get a bid; and finally the majority of conferences who are definitely 1-bid only conferences where all the teams have a high RPI. But hey, I'm sure your logic makes more sense. ; )
PS. I've never said we don't struggle from the field & occasionally at the FT line, nor that we don't turn the ball over too much. Ever. Not when looking at the season as a whole. You're the one insinuating what others say/think.
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Post by AztecBill on Feb 12, 2016 16:51:56 GMT -8
You have a habit of assuming things that aren't said. You do it often. Never said or implied any of the bolded part above. I'll keep it simple - if I was a BSU or NM fan I wouldn't think them worthy of an at-large bid. Given the fact SDSU is running away with this conference, has a solid RPI, and played a tough NC schedule leads me to believe we ARE deserving.
The conference RPI is HIGHER which means top to bottom the conference is better relative to all the other conferences out there. We're only a potential 1 bid conference because there aren't more teams separating themselves at the top, like last year. There's more parity. That's the norm this year college basketball. What "fuss" are you talking about?
You also assumed a bunch of crap about how the Mountain west = Southland, which was never said. We're a significantly better conference than all of those.
Your last paragraph makes absolutely ZERO sense. For one, all those programs are iconic, and have been for decades. In addition, those teams aren't in our conference; those teams have never been in our conference; those will never be in the MWC; those teams are getting MILLIONS in TV revenue. They dwarf our program in every aspect. They are what THEY are; we are what WE are. When you're in the MWC you're going to always have the identity of being in the MWC, just like Gonzaga is always going to have the identity of being in the WCC, and Wichita St will always have the identity of being in the MVC. We're no different. We've risen to the cream of the crop within our conference. That is a good thing.
If you want to ignore reality, ignore stats, etc., that's your choice. Just know many will disagree with you.
Haha, I know you didn't actually say it and you may have not implied that. But, that's why I said, " I get the feeling" which you even bolded, so thank you for reiterating what my thoughts were. So there's my opinion right there. Is it reality? Who knows, but at least I can admit when an opinion is an opinion. But why the "fuss" about conference talk? Because you were the first person in this thread to bring it up. I disagreed with you and you "implied" that my opinion was wrong. The MWC is not any better than the Southland or any of the other conferences that I previously mentioned, in a sense because, at the end of the day, we might end up being a one-bid conference, just like them and that's what matters most. Yes, it matters a lot more than being ranked as the #11 conference in RPI or whatever we are now. And that's essentially the same as being one of those low-level conferences. The rest of the country doesn't give a rat's @$$ about conference RPI, and it's not going to get us into the dance, so why even bring it up? Don't start with the "reality" and "ignoring stats" crap again; this has nothing to do with that. You pass things off as fact all the time when it's not simply so and then you defend your position by proclaiming that a few of us ignore reality. Here's reality: we're one (or maybe 2) losses away from being eliminated from the NCAA tournament...this team struggles with outside shooting, inside shooting, and at times, free throw shooting. Your RPI conference "stats" won't help us advance in any tournament. I'm not ignoring reality, in my opinion, you are. If you think that all 1 bid conferences are the same, you have a strange way of thinking. Do you know that the MWC had a challenge with the MVC this season? Do you know the results?
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