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Post by retiredaztec on Jan 16, 2016 16:38:07 GMT -8
How do you figure. If the Dolts leave and when the lease between SDSU and the City expires the City will realize it's to expensive to maintain the Q. If it's torn down and SDSU & the state can't or won't buy the MV to build a new stadium what happens? And or SDSU / the state can't build an on campus stadium where does SDSU play football? At USD? At Escondido High stadium? Please tell us? I for one could care less if the Dolts leave. But if they do I sure as hell hope SDSU has a plan and some $$$, otherwise SDSU football will go the way of Long Beach & Pacific. "In the short term, SDSU has been in discussions with the city and will be pursuing several options/opportunities that will provide a long term, permanent home for football. While the Chargers are taking the time to evaluate their options, we will continue to push forward with our “Rise to 25” campaign that we launched last year." -Jim Sterk
There you go, big time. Tell me, I thought there was a butt-load of donors ready to line up and pony up for a new stadium. That doesn't seem to be what Sterk is implying. Please don't tell me you/he expects the money to come from the community?! REALLY?!
Regarding your fixation on the Chargers, what you've got here is an owner that, with each passing day, relishes the thought of being the owner of the only NFL team in LA. So as time progresses he might be less and less inclined to "share" anything with the Chargers, (or, most definitely, the Raiders).
Filed under, "how big of a brick do you need", the NFL owners have given the Charger owners one year to, essentially, get it together with San Diego. (As I posted some time ago, I trust the owners
feel the NFL is in a better place when there is an NFL team in San Diego).
If, at the end of the year, both the city and the Chargers haven't gotten their act together, I trust the owners will be in no mood to deal with it. And I can only imagine what would be offered to the Charger owners at that point if they STILL want to go to LA.
But REGARDLESS of what transpires in the big boy world, Aztec football, will still struggle to gain acceptance. That's what happens when you're not smart enough to have your own stadium, ON-CAMPUS..grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!....
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Post by rightguard on Jan 17, 2016 6:06:08 GMT -8
They are almost certainly going to go, but they are going to be the red headed step child up there. Even if they match the Clippers on field success at some point, they'll still be the traditional second team, just like they are to the Lakers. Just because the Jets won more games than the Giants this season doesn't sudddenly mean they are the main show in town.
Unless they are virtually flogging tickets, I see a lot of empty seats. They are going to be second choice for the corporate sponsors. They are behind already and don't have the emotional attachment that the Rams do to the market. Kroenke being the king pin of the project is going to garner more revenue and more public attention than Spanos.
There is much to consider. I'd still like to see the public vote on the stadium taking place, if it goes through then the Raiders will look long and hard at San Diego. San Diego should not be trailing markets Portland and Salt Lake City with a catchment of over 3m, over 4m if you include Tijuana. The city for me can't stand idle and just continue with MLB and the Aztecs playing at their current level.
The realistic future is probably building a new stadium and assisting SDSU to become a power five conference member and bringing the MLS to the city.
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Post by rightguard on Jan 17, 2016 6:44:52 GMT -8
Something else that just crossed my mind, would UCSD consider a football program if the Chargers move?
Last week it was announced also that a record high number of students have applied to study there for 2016!
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 17, 2016 7:01:11 GMT -8
They are almost certainly going to go, but they are going to be the red headed step child up there. Even if they match the Clippers on field success at some point, they'll still be the traditional second team, just like they are to the Lakers. Just because the Jets won more games than the Giants this season doesn't sudddenly mean they are the main show in town. Unless they are virtually flogging tickets, I see a lot of empty seats. They are going to be second choice for the corporate sponsors. They are behind already and don't have the emotional attachment that the Rams do to the market. Kroenke being the king pin of the project is going to garner more revenue and more public attention than Spanos. There is much to consider. I'd still like to see the public vote on the stadium taking place, if it goes through then the Raiders will look long and hard at San Diego. San Diego should not be trailing markets Portland and Salt Lake City with a catchment of over 3m, over 4m if you include Tijuana. The city for me can't stand idle and just continue with MLB and the Aztecs playing at their current level. The realistic future is probably building a new stadium and assisting SDSU to become a power five conference member and bringing the MLS to the city. There won't be any empty seats in LA. It will be filled with the fans of the opposing team just like it was in San Diego. Lol.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 17, 2016 7:15:21 GMT -8
"In the short term, SDSU has been in discussions with the city and will be pursuing several options/opportunities that will provide a long term, permanent home for football. While the Chargers are taking the time to evaluate their options, we will continue to push forward with our “Rise to 25” campaign that we launched last year." -Jim Sterk
There you go, big time. Tell me, I thought there was a butt-load of donors ready to line up and pony up for a new stadium. That doesn't seem to be what Sterk is implying. Please don't tell me you/he expects the money to come from the community?! REALLY?!
Regarding your fixation on the Chargers, what you've got here is an owner that, with each passing day, relishes the thought of being the owner of the only NFL team in LA. So as time progresses he might be less and less inclined to "share" anything with the Chargers, (or, most definitely, the Raiders).
Filed under, "how big of a brick do you need", the NFL owners have given the Charger owners one year to, essentially, get it together with San Diego. (As I posted some time ago, I trust the owners
feel the NFL is in a better place when there is an NFL team in San Diego).
If, at the end of the year, both the city and the Chargers haven't gotten their act together, I trust the owners will be in no mood to deal with it. And I can only imagine what would be offered to the Charger owners at that point if they STILL want to go to LA.
But REGARDLESS of what transpires in the big boy world, Aztec football, will still struggle to gain acceptance. That's what happens when you're not smart enough to have your own stadium, ON-CAMPUS..grrrrrrrrrr!!!!!....
There may be donors ready to step in; only Sterk/Hirshman know the details of their plans. One place the money likely isn't coming from is you. We will know in weeks not months that the Chargers will be moving to LA. And if you actually believe the Raiders will successfully make a deal with the city of San Diego to build a new stadium I have some ocean front property in Utah to sell you. I don't disagree that SDSU should have not built Viejas on top of Aztec Bowl but should have expanded the football stadium to 40,000 seats. By the way Sterk has also publicly expressed this sentiment. However, that is water under the bridge. The most likely scenario for SDSU is MV West Campus expansion that will include an appropriately designed stadium for SDSU. The future for SDSU the University & the Athletic department has never looked brighter! Go Aztecs!
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Post by jiggy on Jan 17, 2016 7:26:59 GMT -8
I think A.G was about winning...Deano. Butts in the seat (which ever team they support) are good enough, so L.A will be a good match
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Post by aztecbb on Jan 17, 2016 16:16:12 GMT -8
Off topic - post should be moved to trash heap with other Charger propaganda.
Don't let the door hit ya!
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jan 17, 2016 18:35:24 GMT -8
Something else that just crossed my mind, would UCSD consider a football program if the Chargers move? Last week it was announced also that a record high number of students have applied to study there for 2016! UCSD once had a football team (can't say they really had a program). That was, I think, 1967; they went something like 0-7 and then cancelled football. One year! Quite a commitment to the sport, don't you think? There are many reasons why UCSD will never start a FB program, too many to list here. Nor, unless many things change in CA, will this state EVER see another college restart their football program or begin a first time program. (Meanwhile, many other schools in other parts of the country have done so, some of which now have FBS level programs.) It seems obvious to me that we have the perfect governor considering the intellectual and political climate of this state. A moonbeam governor for a moonbeam state. AzWm
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 17, 2016 19:37:06 GMT -8
Hey I love the Aztecs also, but too many chickens being counted here right now. It's most likely IMO that we end up in the same place no matter what the Chargers do.
Multiple sources indicate IF Deano moves the Chargers, Davis and the Raiders are VERY interested in SD (also on the street is that the NFL wants to keep a team in SD) and will require a less costly building, added that to the fact that Davis has already pledged more out of pocket for a stadium than Spanos thus making it more palatable on a public vote and success.
So it's entirely possible that IF the Chargers leave, SDSU is right back where they started but with the Silver and Black as a landlord.
Before anyone blows the thought off of support for the Raiders here (as a lifelong Raider hater myself), you only need to listen to sports radio here to see there has certainly been a shift over the last few weeks in the attitude of fans from a strong "Never!" to a resigned "I will support any team that wants to be here". Most of my friends who are life-long Charger fans back to the 70's are also softening to the idea, so nothing is out of the question.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jan 17, 2016 19:41:34 GMT -8
Hey I love the Aztecs also, but too many chickens being counted here right now. It's most likely IMO that we end up in the same place no matter what the Chargers do. Multiple sources indicate IF Deano moves the Chargers, Davis and the Raiders are VERY interested in SD (also on the street is that the NFL wants to keep a team in SD) and will require a less costly building, added that to the fact that Davis has already pledged more out of pocket for a stadium than Spanos thus making it more palatable on a public vote and success. So it's entirely possible that IF the Chargers leave, SDSU is right back where they started but with the Silver and Black as a landlord. Before anyone blows the thought off of support for the Raiders here (as a lifelong Raider hater myself), you only need to listen to sports radio here to see there has certainly been a shift over the last few weeks in the attitude of fans from a strong "Never!" to a resigned "I will support any team that wants to be here". Most of my friends who are life-long Charger fans back to the 70's are also softening to the idea, so nothing is out of the question. All I'll say is this...if you think the raiders can get a vote of the people to subsidize a stadium here you are rucking fretarded.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 17, 2016 19:53:25 GMT -8
Hey I love the Aztecs also, but too many chickens being counted here right now. It's most likely IMO that we end up in the same place no matter what the Chargers do. Multiple sources indicate IF Deano moves the Chargers, Davis and the Raiders are VERY interested in SD (also on the street is that the NFL wants to keep a team in SD) and will require a less costly building, added that to the fact that Davis has already pledged more out of pocket for a stadium than Spanos thus making it more palatable on a public vote and success. So it's entirely possible that IF the Chargers leave, SDSU is right back where they started but with the Silver and Black as a landlord. Before anyone blows the thought off of support for the Raiders here (as a lifelong Raider hater myself), you only need to listen to sports radio here to see there has certainly been a shift over the last few weeks in the attitude of fans from a strong "Never!" to a resigned "I will support any team that wants to be here". Most of my friends who are life-long Charger fans back to the 70's are also softening to the idea, so nothing is out of the question. All I'll say is this...if you think the raiders can get a vote of the people to subsidize a stadium here you are rucking fretarded. All I am saying is that Attitudes will change once the Chargers walk away and we have no NFL. Obviously some folks would vote no on anything sports related, but the thought by some with which I happen to agree is that the LARGE group of NFL fans that live in this county will be come motivated once the Chargers move becomes official. There is a reason every city that has lost a team has immediately petitioned the NFL for another.
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 17, 2016 20:02:57 GMT -8
I don't think I could ever get used to The San Diego Raiders. I would rather The Aztecs be The Football Team for The San Diego Region.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 17, 2016 20:16:27 GMT -8
I don't think I could ever get used to The San Diego Raiders. I would rather The Aztecs be The Football Team for The San Diego Region. I agree, the thought does leave a bad taste in my mouth, that being said I will give Davis and the Raiders two nods: 1) The Raiders have the best young talent in the division and will most likely be the odds on favorite to with the the division over the next several years 2) Mark Davis may be a goof, but he does 3 things that Deano doesn't, he loves and is passionate about his team, he LOVES the fans and he want's to win. Of course the other side is the Thunderdome that would be game days at the stadium.
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Post by AzTex on Jan 17, 2016 22:52:49 GMT -8
Hey I love the Aztecs also, but too many chickens being counted here right now. It's most likely IMO that we end up in the same place no matter what the Chargers do. Multiple sources indicate IF Deano moves the Chargers, Davis and the Raiders are VERY interested in SD (also on the street is that the NFL wants to keep a team in SD) and will require a less costly building, added that to the fact that Davis has already pledged more out of pocket for a stadium than Spanos thus making it more palatable on a public vote and success. So it's entirely possible that IF the Chargers leave, SDSU is right back where they started but with the Silver and Black as a landlord. Before anyone blows the thought off of support for the Raiders here (as a lifelong Raider hater myself), you only need to listen to sports radio here to see there has certainly been a shift over the last few weeks in the attitude of fans from a strong "Never!" to a resigned "I will support any team that wants to be here". Most of my friends who are life-long Charger fans back to the 70's are also softening to the idea, so nothing is out of the question. All I'll say is this...if you think the raiders can get a vote of the people to subsidize a stadium here you are rucking fretarded. The Union-Trib just posted a new Chanel 10 / UT poll that shows no NFL team will get a new stadium in San Diego. It looks really bad for the Raiders if they want to come here. Stadium Poll Link
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 17, 2016 23:54:34 GMT -8
All I'll say is this...if you think the raiders can get a vote of the people to subsidize a stadium here you are rucking fretarded. The Union-Trib just posted a new Chanel 10 / UT poll that shows no NFL team will get a new stadium in San Diego. It looks really bad for the Raiders if they want to come here. Stadium Poll LinkThe Raiders couldn't get a new stadium done here but 44% approval for a Charger stadium right now speaks a lot, especially after how Spanos/Fabiani has treated the city. Spanos would be a complete idiot to walk away from that.
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Post by RB Aztec on Jan 18, 2016 0:05:14 GMT -8
The Chargers will never gain traction in LA. Signed the Clippers. So true. I for one will never cheer for the Chargers again if they leave San Diego. It will only get worse for him if the Raiders then move to San Diego making 3 teams in SoCal. Wasn't the whole point of the Spanos move to protect his fanbase in SoCal? That's what he said in his online interview at the Chargers site. His fan base in L.A. will be nothing with the Rams up there and he will completely lose his San Diego fans. Talk about completely destroying your fan base. At least with the other team moves in the past (Browns, Oilers, etc.), the team moving to the new market had no one to compete with and fans welcomed them with open arms. In L.A. people want the Rams and no one wants the Chargers up there. I thought it was hilarious at the LA Rams press conference when Kroenke brought up partnering with the Chargers and was greeted by boos and someone yelling "Keep them in San Diego". Just to be clear, though. If the Chargers stay in San Diego, I will continue to be a die hard fan as I have been for decades. If they leave, I will never support the team again.
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Post by RB Aztec on Jan 18, 2016 0:13:56 GMT -8
The Union-Trib just posted a new Chanel 10 / UT poll that shows no NFL team will get a new stadium in San Diego. It looks really bad for the Raiders if they want to come here. Stadium Poll LinkThe Raiders couldn't get a new stadium done here but 44% approval for a Charger stadium right now speaks a lot, especially after how Spanos/Fabiani has treated the city. Spanos would be a complete idiot to walk away from that. The problem with that poll is that it was done right now when people are pissed at Spanos. The reality is that a new Stadium in San Diego would not just be for the Chargers. It would be for our 2 bowl games, which bring in thousands of tourists, for the Aztecs, for concerts and other major stadium events, etc. The stadium has to be sold as MUCH more than just a new stadium for the Chargers. It has to be marketed as a source of income for our city and a major event venue for the entire county. They also need to show how much Qualcomm stadium is costing the city right now. Quit tying the Stadium only to the Chargers and show believable and positive financial impact and it will pass! The current poll is very biased right now.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 18, 2016 0:48:56 GMT -8
The Raiders couldn't get a new stadium done here but 44% approval for a Charger stadium right now speaks a lot, especially after how Spanos/Fabiani has treated the city. Spanos would be a complete idiot to walk away from that. The problem with that poll is that it was done right now when people are pissed at Spanos. The reality is that a new Stadium in San Diego would not just be for the Chargers. It would be for our 2 bowl games, which bring in thousands of tourists, for the Aztecs, for concerts and other major stadium events, etc. The stadium has to be sold as MUCH more than just a new stadium for the Chargers. It has to be marketed as a source of income for our city and a major event venue for the entire county. They also need to show how much Qualcomm stadium is costing the city right now. Quit tying the Stadium only to the Chargers and show believable and positive financial impact and it will pass! The current poll is very biased right now. No thanks. IMO SDSU should do everything in its power to separate itself from the NFL. That is regardless of if the Chargers stay in San Diego or not.
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Post by jdaztec on Jan 18, 2016 8:16:42 GMT -8
Whether The Chargers stay or go The Aztecs really need their own stadium. Even with the best of intentions The Aztecs playing in a new Chargers Stadium will not do the job if we want the program to grow and become more successful.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 9:31:13 GMT -8
The Raiders couldn't get a new stadium done here but 44% approval for a Charger stadium right now speaks a lot, especially after how Spanos/Fabiani has treated the city. Spanos would be a complete idiot to walk away from that. The problem with that poll is that it was done right now when people are pissed at Spanos. The reality is that a new Stadium in San Diego would not just be for the Chargers. It would be for our 2 bowl games, which bring in thousands of tourists, for the Aztecs, for concerts and other major stadium events, etc. The stadium has to be sold as MUCH more than just a new stadium for the Chargers. It has to be marketed as a source of income for our city and a major event venue for the entire county. They also need to show how much Qualcomm stadium is costing the city right now. Quit tying the Stadium only to the Chargers and show believable and positive financial impact and it will pass! The current poll is very biased right now. Exactly! Anyone who actually believes these would be close to the real vote results just doesn’t have a clue how this all works. It’s like trying to sell Toyota’s and Honda’s the day after Pearl Harbor (well maybe that’s an extreme example) or perhaps Lebron James returning to Cleveland. Any initiative would not only be a joint venture between the city and team (whatever team), with presentation focused on how the project would benefit the citizens of the region and would also be after a lengthy goodwill initiative by the team towards the fans. That being said, obviously there will still be a certain segment whether it be non-sports fans, political bias and those who just can’t see past the recent events that would still vote against ANY initiative. However, a simple majority vote would be a no-brain success with a push as would a 2/3 vote a guaranteed failure, so it’s up to the mayor to figure out what path he wants to take given the chance to lock in a team for the next 30 years.
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