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Post by newtecera on Dec 17, 2015 17:40:13 GMT -8
I was listening to Kaplan on 1090 today and he interviewed Corey Briggs who is behind the whole Citizen's Initiative. Briggs made it sound like the whole thing would basically guarantee SDSU would get the land at MV. If that's the case then it seems that SDSU would be behind this plan 100%. I don't believe the SDSU admin has commented on it though one way or another which makes me think that Briggs may be hiding something. Has anybody looked at the Citizen's Initiative in depth? Will it really do what Briggs claims for SDSU?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 18:38:40 GMT -8
It's far, far more complex than that. Remember, in expanding SDSU you are expanding a state entity with implications for the state budget, the CSU system budget and the CSU master plan. You must deal with all of the related politics of same. The initiative is at its core, an attack on current fees being collected and used by the ConVis folks, consolidating them with an increased ToT that would go to the city general fund. It also attempts land use restrictions, clearing the path for an off the waterfront convention center expansion while hamstringing any contiguous waterfront expansion.
Stadium and SDSU talk is hype, fluff, rhetoric, happy talk, whatever you want to call it. Its meant to obfuscate and confuse in order to get the signatures they need.
This is really about Cory Briggs and HIS vision. It just so happens to intersect with some substantial downtown business opportunities for JMI.
It will be 20-25 years minimum before any large SDSU expansion could be realized, if ever.
Keep in mind, this is San Diego. Nothing is easy and nothing is as it appears.
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Post by standiego on Dec 17, 2015 19:08:21 GMT -8
Would work on funding a DT facility for Convention Center / Multipurpose facility by raising the tax on Hotels . Near the Wonder Bread building area , leave open space between current convention center and Hilton Bay Front. Could free up the Q area for sale , with thoughts on expansion for SDSU , maybe UCSD and park area . Also believe John Moores is involved .
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Post by newtecera on Dec 17, 2015 19:51:48 GMT -8
Yeah, sounded too good to be true. He said MV land would be restricted to certain uses though and mentioned SDSU expansion and a new stadium as being explicitly mentioned in the initiative. Personally I don't think he can be trusted as he seems much more interested in DT and a convention center than SDSU. He also mentioned some sort of UCSD partnership which I really don't understand why that would be necessary at all.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Dec 17, 2015 20:39:09 GMT -8
Briggs initiative sounds good superficially and SDSU would benefit. I did not sign when confronted by a signer at Von's. I think we have more powerful partners than Briggs and we are only half way thru this soap opera. Hoping for a early 2016 bolt by the Bolts but it may take longer. We'll get there Aztec faithful . Stay the course and we'll get our new stadium in time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:44:42 GMT -8
Yeah, sounded too good to be true. He said MV land would be restricted to certain uses though and mentioned SDSU expansion and a new stadium as being explicitly mentioned in the initiative. Personally I don't think he can be trusted as he seems much more interested in DT and a convention center than SDSU. He also mentioned some sort of UCSD partnership which I really don't understand why that would be necessary at all. I should add that IMO, it's 70%-30% good to bad. I don't like Briggs. I don't particularly like the tactics but generally, TOT being part of the general fund,keeping water front from being even more walled off and the CEQA exemptions for the Qualcomm and downtown sites are good things. I'll probably sign the damn thing but I'll hate myself later. |
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Post by survalli on Dec 17, 2015 21:08:48 GMT -8
i am intimately involved, was asked to meet with Briggs, was asked to meet with Donna Frye. i was asked to make a public endorsement on behalf of the organization i belong too. we passed. The initiative does not guarantee a new stadium, does not guarantee a convention center expansion, and most certainly does not guarantee SDSU would get the Mission Valley land.
what it does guarantee is more control of the TOT by the hotels. it sets in place certain tax breaks as incentives for developing hotel owned properties. oh and it walls off the waterfront from development (i.e the City owned Convention Center)
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Dec 17, 2015 22:39:44 GMT -8
Why is the Citizen's Initiative and SDSU's expansion tied together?
When the Chargers leave San Diego...(it's "when" no longer "if"), the stadium and the land it occupies can be acquired by SDSU, the State, or private entities if the City is so compelled to redevelop it.
I have a hope and desire that all or a portion of the land will be made available to SDSU if they have the resources (funds) to build a West Campus and corresponding sports stadium.
The state would more than likely need to participate in some manner as SDSU doesn't have the resources to complete the project without the State's help...additionally, the city will need to be compensated in some way for the land that it is giving up...either through a direct purchase or a long-term lease providing sorely needed revenues to the city.
The State University system is bulging from overcrowding and lack of additional real estate to build new facilities...the acquisition of the stadium land would provide a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the State to expand the footprint of their most successful campus (measured in a multitude of ways).
There will be many hurdles to clear...but I in no way see a time line of 20 years before construction would begin once the Charger officially vacate Mission Valley...
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Post by standiego on Dec 17, 2015 23:49:46 GMT -8
it limits the MV area to colleges and free green space . it does Not allow the big developers in there so Mayor does not get to let his friends the developers into MV area and make money there, so he can not back it . City council members are starting to support it . Former SDSU alum D. Alvarez just signed on . Briggs is very big on open space does not want the contiguous convention center as it would eliminate last open space near the current convention center . He filed the law suit to prevent the expansion .Basically call for a Hotel tax to pay for the expansion at the Wonder Bread site not City taxes . Moores group owns land there so they could benefit .
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Post by fowl on Dec 18, 2015 0:57:17 GMT -8
SDSU should distance themselves from Briggs at any chance they get. He will go down and when he does we want no part of that press. That guy is a typical blood sucking lawyer - doesn't generate any benefit to society instead he just impedes human productivity and per capita economic growth.
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Post by survalli on Dec 18, 2015 1:00:06 GMT -8
it limits the MV area to colleges and free green space . it does Not allow the big developers in there so Mayor does not get to let his friends the developers into MV area and make money there, so he can not back it . City council members are starting to support it . Former SDSU alum D. Alvarez just signed on . Briggs is very big on open space does not want the contiguous convention center as it would eliminate last open space near the current convention center . He filed the law suit to prevent the expansion .Basically call for a Hotel tax to pay for the expansion at the Wonder Bread site not City taxes . Moores group owns land there so they could benefit . ask yourself. is it in the interests of San Diego that the TOT taxes are controlled by the Hotels rather than City? is it in our best interests then to also give the Hoteliers tax breaks for using the TOT taxes? because this is what is all about. Briggs is the bulldog for the Hoteliers..the same Hoteliers that blocked the expansion of the convention center, that opposed a downtown stadium on city property...all because they want to build their own convention centers (see vegas) with the TOT dollars rather than have the City in control. ive spoken to a few people who have the means and the will to oppose this, even if it passes vote, it will unlikely pass the legal challenges to follow. |
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Post by aztecbb on Dec 18, 2015 9:00:43 GMT -8
Briggs is a dirtbag who will sue any and everything - think of a slimy version of Aguirre
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Post by standiego on Dec 18, 2015 15:54:07 GMT -8
Rumors starting to swirl SDSU is going to come out in favor of the CI . Developers are not in favor ( they back the Mayor and want to be able to develop MW - some thing they can Not do if MV is dedicated to Universities and parks ). Tax on Hotels is higher then they want and so they do not want it and they want to build Convention Center in the open area between current convention center and Hilton Bay Front not by Wonder Bread building .
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Dec 18, 2015 16:49:17 GMT -8
Rumors starting to swirl SDSU is going to come out in favor of the CI . Developers are not in favor ( they back the Mayor and want to be able to develop MW - some thing they can Not do if MV is dedicated to Universities and parks ). Tax on Hotels is higher then they want and so they do not want it and they want to build Convention Center in the open area between current convention center and Hilton Bay Front not by Wonder Bread building . Donna Frye was on Scott & BR and she alluded that SDSU/President Elliot Hirshman was very close to supporting the Citizens Initative. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Dec 18, 2015 17:04:19 GMT -8
Sdsu doesn't need the citizens initiative as we could always use eminent domain. Anyone who puts their trust in Steve Briggs is an idiot.
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Post by aztecbolt on Dec 18, 2015 17:08:36 GMT -8
Sdsu doesn't need the citizens initiative as we could always use eminent domain. Anyone who puts their trust in Steve Briggs is an idiot. I trust Steve Briggs, just not Cory Briggs.  |
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Post by waxxon on Dec 18, 2015 17:09:00 GMT -8
It appears the "citizens initiative" is nothing such as it is billed. It appears to be a charade that benefits JMI and those behind it to develop land as THEY see fit. There is no language specifying a stadium, SDSU or any such project resembling this.
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Post by waxxon on Dec 18, 2015 17:12:34 GMT -8
Rumors starting to swirl SDSU is going to come out in favor of the CI . Developers are not in favor ( they back the Mayor and want to be able to develop MW - some thing they can Not do if MV is dedicated to Universities and parks ). Tax on Hotels is higher then they want and so they do not want it and they want to build Convention Center in the open area between current convention center and Hilton Bay Front not by Wonder Bread building . Donna Frye was on Scott & BR and she alluded that SDSU/President Elliot Hirshman was very close to supporting the Citizens Initative. Do not be fooled by frye, she is one who opposed the original redevelopment of the Murph that the Chargers said they would pay for in exchange for the ability to do some commercial development there to pay for the new stadium. I may be mistaken but its my recollection that she opposed the memorial on Soledad mountain after claiming she wouldn't oppose it. |
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Post by state on Dec 18, 2015 17:32:03 GMT -8
Don't trust Briggs. He doesn't care about us or the Chargers.
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Post by alohaboarder on Dec 18, 2015 20:26:43 GMT -8
Gotta love liberal California and all the bs that comes along with it.
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