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Post by sdcoug on Nov 15, 2015 21:38:19 GMT -8
IMO most teams that get to E8 or beyond need at least one very good guard - usually the PG and at least one very good 4 or 5 down low . Match ups are important but you also need talent . Duke was prime example last year. Also think it is very difficult to win it all without having good HS recruits a your foundation , then supplement with a transfer or maybe two to fill a need . The core group of our 2016 could be our HS recruits Zylan , Narain, JH ,Allen, Kell with MG-C as key transfer plus the other 5 we add by transfer. MSU's leading rebounder was 6'6, and didn't have anything near a great big. They were E8. History is littered with guard dominated E8 teams without anything near a star 4 or 5. Duke didn't reach the E8 because they had a very good guard and center. The won it all because they were littered with talent top to bottom. Hell, Grayson Allen was on their bench and he could have started on 99% of the programs in the country and CARRIED most of them. as for HS vs. transfer, who cares? First, our team IS built in a foundation of HS recruits, and continues to be going into next year with Norain, Kell, Z, Hemsley, Allen, Shrigs, McD, Williams and others. Second, what is the difference between getting MGC as a HS recruit vs.transfer as it relates to next year? He won't be new to the system, and instead of being a 4-year player he will have another year to develop moving forward. Yes, we would all have loved to pick up another tall HS recruit but to say we can't be elite 8 as a result of that is a little silly. We have no idea if we do or don't need another big to get there. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Nov 15, 2015 23:37:20 GMT -8
This is a lot of pages over nothing. Maybe, Just maybe we missed out on these players due to the timing of the Parrish story. Plus, with out system it is more important to get the right player who fits the system than just any player who has a 4 or 5 star behind their name.
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2015 8:34:04 GMT -8
In basics, I feel the forming of the 2016 team , be it by HS recruits or transfers is Incomplete, was not great or terrible, but we still need a solid 5 for D , if we hope to have at least a SW16 or possibly E8 or better. Do hope we all can agree SW16 or better should be the standard .
We may differ, I feel you need a guy that can play the 5 , to prevent the other team 's 5 from dominating down low . Last year that included , Duke , Badgers , Kentucky, Zags , .... We also need a guy that can rebound can be our 5 or X position . If MSU's 6'6" guard was their best rebounder then great , but they had at least 1 quality guy down low and at least guard . A team with 5 guards is going to have a very difficult time winning a championship . So would a team with 5 guys that play that normally play the 5 position . What I have said is you need balance . Quality down low with some size and quality guys playing guard .
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 16, 2015 10:56:20 GMT -8
In basics, I feel the forming of the 2016 team , be it by HS recruits or transfers is Incomplete, was not great or terrible, but we still need a solid 5 for D , if we hope to have at least a SW16 or possibly E8 or better. Do hope we all can agree SW16 or better should be the standard . We may differ, I feel you need a guy that can play the 5 , to prevent the other team 's 5 from dominating down low . Last year that included , Duke , Badgers , Kentucky, Zags , .... We also need a guy that can rebound can be our 5 or X position . If MSU's 6'6" guard was their best rebounder then great , but they had at least 1 quality guy down low and at least guard . A team with 5 guards is going to have a very difficult time winning a championship . So would a team with 5 guys that play that normally play the 5 position . What I have said is you need balance . Quality down low with some size and quality guys playing guard . We HAVE that. Z & Norain are QUALITY players, as are others. Just as much as many E8 teams. Those 2 give us everything Costello gave MSU and then some IMO.
Nobody is saying we play 5 guards; no one is saying we shouldn't want to make the S16 every year (as do 350+ others teams); no one is saying we shouldn't try & land another big if he can contribute next year.
What's tiresome is the defeatist attitude that we don't have any talent inside on this roster moving forward, or that we don't have a "quality guy down low". We do! It's just young, but would have been with any of the bigs we targeted.
FWIW, we could have landed Cage, Leaf AND Stanback in this class & STILL not been able to contain a player like Okafor, Kaminsky and/or Towns in 2016. Those types of players are RARE and dominate 99% of the teams out there. You just game plan around that, force any 5 to play YOUR game, provide lots of help, and have your other 4 outplay their other 4.
I'd take our current 2016 projected roster over 90% of the programs out there, would you?
I have no doubt we'll land another big body, whether that's a 2 or 3-star banger (HS or JC) or a grad transfer with more immediate upside. Whether he's an elite talent or not doesn't make me any less excited about our prospects.
Only time will tell, and that's a LONG WAYS off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 11:05:31 GMT -8
This thread is poop.
Jalen McDaniels 4 Star
Nolan Narain 4 Star
Montaqe Gill Cesar 4 star
Max Hoetzel 3 star
Missing on MJ Cage sucks, no doubt. But we made it into the final 3 for TJ Leaf in which we were thought to be a long, long, longshot..
We are just fine, our strategy is fine, everything is fine.
This thread is poop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 12:46:56 GMT -8
No one is stating that the guys we've recruited are bad players or that next year's roster will be lacking. We have some open scholarships and some open minutes that we were trying to fill and came up short. That doesn't mean we can't compete or that we won't be good. We simply lost iout in our biggest are of need and focus for 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 13:38:28 GMT -8
So much can still change. Or nothing will. Our team is in great position to compete at an elite level for the next several years either way. Our staff may end up going JC for a big (unlikely, but it has happened as recently as DeShawn Stephens). Or there may be a graduate transfer where we have had some nice pickups with guys like Garret Green and Josh Davis. Or they may go with what we have. It is silly to worry about it this early anyway. Hell, we may still have Malik Pope on our roster next season. Also, do people forget that Billy and Malcolm and DeShawn and Josh Davis were all around 6'8" 220? We have multiple guys of a similar mold lined up to be on our team next year - Zylan, Narain, maybe Pope, Hoetzel, McDaniels.
I'm excited for next year already and we just started this season. We will have a tremendous perimeter game next year with Hemsley, Dakarai, Shrigley, Kell and MGC.
Lets all calm down. Recruiting is as an all-time high.
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2015 22:37:53 GMT -8
Some of us are saying that there needs to be additional players added to help at the 5 position for 2016. We lose both an excellent defender and his back up .If we can not suggest that the recruiting is Incomplete , not bad then You are missing the message . We like the recruits we have but need more quality ones especially at the 5. The goal is SW16 or E8. Do you think we have the guys to get there with the current roster ? As of now we have No known players that have played the 5 . Nolan was a 4 in HS , so learning . Jalen has said he prefers to play the 4 . Like it or not we are going to need better at that position . Stanback would have helped , so would others . Coaches tried but did not get the HS players or transfers so that means a grad transfer or JUCO for 2016 .
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Nov 17, 2015 7:11:20 GMT -8
Are we becoming UNLV? The fans here are sounding the same.
Our recruiting class has the most important people coming in next year.....Coach Fisher and staff.
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 17, 2015 13:21:51 GMT -8
Some of us are saying that there needs to be additional players added to help at the 5 position for 2016. We lose both an excellent defender and his back up .If we can not suggest that the recruiting is Incomplete , not bad then You are missing the message . We like the recruits we have but need more quality ones especially at the 5. The goal is SW16 or E8. Do you think we have the guys to get there with the current roster ? As of now we have No known players that have played the 5 . Nolan was a 4 in HS , so learning . Jalen has said he prefers to play the 4 . Like it or not we are going to need better at that position . Stanback would have helped , so would others . Coaches tried but did not get the HS players or transfers so that means a grad transfer or JUCO for 2016 . Do we know we don't?
IMO, hell yes, depending on the matchups we draw and how well our perimeter players play!
I'd take our CURRENT roster over 90% of the teams in the country, and after that it comes down match-ups (& some luck). We're never going to be Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc. when it comes to consistent depth of roster, but we are DEFINITELY good enough to be a consistent S16 if all breaks correctly.
And we will add another player or two.
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Post by standiego on Nov 17, 2015 19:47:46 GMT -8
There are about 350 D1 college teams so at being in the top 10 % puts us about top 35 . Would really like it if we could at least be top 5% or better . All I am saying is that we have a pretty good roster but we lose Spencer , Chol and Shepard . For 2016 we add Nolan(was a 4 in HS learning to play the 5) and Jalen( says he prefers to play the 4 as he is very slender) up front to go with Zylan. Max is a 3 point shooter more a 3 then 4 . So IMO there is a strong need to add a guy that wants or has played the 5 , especially for D . Grad transfer or JC .
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Nov 18, 2015 7:11:12 GMT -8
The best team in our history, 33 wins, did not have a true 5. Thomas was 6'9", White was 6'8" and Leonard was 6'7".
The game is changing again. Note the way the game is being called. See what is happening in the NBA. I call it a stretch 5, or a big 4.
We are fine.
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Post by standiego on Nov 18, 2015 9:37:08 GMT -8
Take a look at this years (2015-16 ) top HS recruits . 6 of the top 7 are PF/C 6'9" or above . No one is saying go get a 7Ft guy . the "5" position recruits we were after were basically 6'9" or 6'10" , that would start out playing against the other team's 5 . We are saying with one of the scholarships remaining , if Pope stays we have 11 being used , 10 if he leaves use it on a Grad transfer or JC guy that wants to play the 5 .
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Post by aztecgold on Dec 15, 2015 17:47:30 GMT -8
If you can't see that this has been a disastrous recruiting season, you are a fool. We have gaping holes in next year's roster, multiple open scholarships, and managed to land one of our targeted recruits. We can say "We'll be fine" and that may be true but we aren't as fine as we'd be had managed to land 3 incoming freshman instead of one. Why were we recruiting kids if we didn't need them? Sure, we might pick up a Deshawn Stephens J.C. under the radar "big" or a late bloomer fringe d1 guy, or a Garrett Green senior transfer type, none of these are going to have the promise of skills of the guys we didn't land. There was a turd in the punch bowl this year. It was no accident. The timing of the complaint and it's publication were no accidents. While we never know exactly how bad it hurt us, we do know that we whiffed on all but one recruit. We didn't land the guys that the recruiting sites thought we should. We actually already have the late bloomer overshadowed kid from a good squad. The sky isn't falling. Our season isn't wrecked. But, our future is more perilous. We are going to have to do a lot of work next year. We won't have the luxury of taking a bunch of bounce back transfers as we will need players immediately and at every position. Take it easy, son. Take a chill pill. The Aztecs are not done with their recruiting since there is still the spring period for recruits and then of course, there are all the graduate senior transfers out there as well. All the Aztecs need is graduate senior transfer who can defend and rebound at center and they will be much better than this year. They have Hemsley, Kell, Shrigley, Perez, Allen, Gill-Caesar, Cheatham, Hoetzel, Narain, Pope (yes, Pope is not going anywhere), and Williams coming back. They also get McDaniels. You do know that Ziegler has said that Gill-Caesar has been their best player in practice? BTW Chol and Spencer are not exactly the greatest rebounding duo around. They each average about 4 rpg. Cheatham leads the team at 5.7 rpg and Shepard is second at 5.6. Even if SDSU does not find anyone at center they may be ok with Cheatham, Pope, Narain, and McDaniels. |
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Post by standiego on Dec 15, 2015 20:41:50 GMT -8
Some have posted that San Diego JC has a taller player , is it L. Allen ? (sound familiar) son of a former Aztec. So yes we do need a guy to play in the middle to help with rebounding and D for 2016 . Zylan has shown he can rebound but we do not know about Nolan , Jaylen , both Malik ,and Max are more shooters then rebounders .
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Post by sdcoug on Dec 15, 2015 22:17:14 GMT -8
Some have posted that San Diego JC has a taller player , is it L. Allen ? (sound familiar) son of a former Aztec. So yes we do need a guy to play in the middle to help with rebounding and D for 2016 . Zylan has shown he can rebound but we do not know about Nolan , Jaylen , both Malik ,and Max are more shooters then rebounders . Pope is the 3rd best defensive rebounder on the team, and Max was actually a pretty good rebounding PF for Indy last year (15% of available rebounds). replacing Shep will be tough, especially since we haven't been good on the boards this year. But with the additions we could actually be a better rebounding team overall. |
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